For those who didn't leave this page (an attitude that I support):- OG bikeworks was developing an aftermarket kit for dropper posts (don't know which brands)...
For those who didn't leave this page (an attitude that I support): - OG bikeworks was developing an aftermarket kit for dropper posts (don't know which brands), to go where the actator usually sits. That was before working with BikeYoke - OG collaborated with BikeYoke to integrate it into their post - they couldn't settle on terms and terminated the collaboration - OG is now back at the aftermarket approach and plans to have something ready in 6 months
FWIW, this is OG's version of the story, BikeYoke / Sacki didn't seem to be present in the MTBR thread
They also mentioned "Our aftermarket product was already in the works before our collaboration with BikeYoke began, and they were fully aware of our plans to...
They also mentioned "Our aftermarket product was already in the works before our collaboration with BikeYoke began, and they were fully aware of our plans to launch an aftermarket kit."
hopefully on good terms
Turns out it was not on good terms. BikeYoke has entered the chat and apparently this product doesn't been the German standards. Sorry for beating the dead horse but context needs to be present for vital readers
also, ZEB on the kenevo /whatever ebike on the back. Would that mean anything?(would be so weird. Jack has been working so closely with Ö for...
also, ZEB on the kenevo /whatever ebike on the back. Would that mean anything?
(would be so weird. Jack has been working so closely with Ö for the past years, I can't see them going anywhere else)
Maybe not. I imagine it may be a specialized employees bike or the property owners bike. The new specialized development center is about 35 minutes from where they are testing so its quite possible its just another employees bike.
For those who didn't leave this page (an attitude that I support):- OG bikeworks was developing an aftermarket kit for dropper posts (don't know which brands)...
For those who didn't leave this page (an attitude that I support): - OG bikeworks was developing an aftermarket kit for dropper posts (don't know which brands), to go where the actator usually sits. That was before working with BikeYoke - OG collaborated with BikeYoke to integrate it into their post - they couldn't settle on terms and terminated the collaboration - OG is now back at the aftermarket approach and plans to have something ready in 6 months
FWIW, this is OG's version of the story, BikeYoke / Sacki didn't seem to be present in the MTBR thread
They also mentioned "Our aftermarket product was already in the works before our collaboration with BikeYoke began, and they were fully aware of our plans to...
They also mentioned "Our aftermarket product was already in the works before our collaboration with BikeYoke began, and they were fully aware of our plans to launch an aftermarket kit."
Turns out it was not on good terms. BikeYoke has entered the chat and apparently this product doesn't been the German standards. Sorry for beating the...
Turns out it was not on good terms. BikeYoke has entered the chat and apparently this product doesn't been the German standards. Sorry for beating the dead horse but context needs to be present for vital readers
For those who didn't leave this page (an attitude that I support):- OG bikeworks was developing an aftermarket kit for dropper posts (don't know which brands)...
For those who didn't leave this page (an attitude that I support): - OG bikeworks was developing an aftermarket kit for dropper posts (don't know which brands), to go where the actator usually sits. That was before working with BikeYoke - OG collaborated with BikeYoke to integrate it into their post - they couldn't settle on terms and terminated the collaboration - OG is now back at the aftermarket approach and plans to have something ready in 6 months
FWIW, this is OG's version of the story, BikeYoke / Sacki didn't seem to be present in the MTBR thread
They also mentioned "Our aftermarket product was already in the works before our collaboration with BikeYoke began, and they were fully aware of our plans to...
They also mentioned "Our aftermarket product was already in the works before our collaboration with BikeYoke began, and they were fully aware of our plans to launch an aftermarket kit."
Turns out it was not on good terms. BikeYoke has entered the chat and apparently this product doesn't been the German standards. Sorry for beating the...
Turns out it was not on good terms. BikeYoke has entered the chat and apparently this product doesn't been the German standards. Sorry for beating the dead horse but context needs to be present for vital readers
"We don't make public alligations..." goes on to make public alligations.
They also mentioned "Our aftermarket product was already in the works before our collaboration with BikeYoke began, and they were fully aware of our plans to...
They also mentioned "Our aftermarket product was already in the works before our collaboration with BikeYoke began, and they were fully aware of our plans to launch an aftermarket kit."
Turns out it was not on good terms. BikeYoke has entered the chat and apparently this product doesn't been the German standards. Sorry for beating the...
Turns out it was not on good terms. BikeYoke has entered the chat and apparently this product doesn't been the German standards. Sorry for beating the dead horse but context needs to be present for vital readers
"We don't make public alligations..." goes on to make public alligations.
There not any allegations in his post, at least none regarding OG. Merely that they said they have not wanted to move forward with any of the prototypes that have been tested so far.
There not any allegations in his post, at least none regarding OG. Merely that they said they have not wanted to move forward with any of...
There not any allegations in his post, at least none regarding OG. Merely that they said they have not wanted to move forward with any of the prototypes that have been tested so far.
I can't say I care too much BUT for arguments sake on a slow Friday at work...
BY's 4th paragraph reads to me as a STRONG allusion to low quality from OG. What I've read from OG they only referenced lawyers and contract issues, which isn't a direct blame on either side. Also, if you don't want to say something in a public forum just don't say anything, especially if you're not defending yourself.
I don't really want to fight other peoples fights but that EOY PnL sheet ain't as fun.
Is it an allusion to low quality, or BY's high standards? I'm guessing anything with a wintek cartridge would not meet those standards and that seems to be what most people are running relatively trouble free these days.
I do get what you're saying, it's not all sunshine and rainbows, but its also not an abject declaration of a dogshit product. If it met a different standard of quality than the one purported by BY, such as whatever Oneup is happy to send out the door, I'd probably be OK with it.
I see the comment as stating what was offered didn't meet expectations so we moved on. It happens in a colab setting often enough. With BY getting burned by Sram I can only surmise that they don't want to put themselves too in cahoots with another co unless there's a solid reason to do so. IMO, BY does things right most of the time outright and then makes sure updates are backwards compatible. I don't see them being the 'wait til the 2nd-3rd year of production to chase out the bugs' type of company.
I won't spill the tea, but ten minutes of Googling and following the breadcrumbs relating to "OG Bikeworks" yields some pretty intriguing stuff – interesting previous employers, patents, failed Kickstarters, etc.
In any case, wireless dropper conversions seem like a good idea. I hope a dialed implementation of the concept comes to market.
I won't spill the tea, but ten minutes of Googling and following the breadcrumbs relating to "OG Bikeworks" yields some pretty intriguing stuff – interesting previous employers...
I won't spill the tea, but ten minutes of Googling and following the breadcrumbs relating to "OG Bikeworks" yields some pretty intriguing stuff – interesting previous employers, patents, failed Kickstarters, etc.
In any case, wireless dropper conversions seem like a good idea. I hope a dialed implementation of the concept comes to market.
What the world of Google can do to find dirty laundry....
Don't know OG Bikeworks, do konw that every BikeYoke post I have had has been flawless, so I err on the side of BY. Be that I have also delt with German vs US business decisions, where both sides make dumb choices. So until my BY post fails or an OG works post conversion comes out, I wait.
Turns out it was not on good terms. BikeYoke has entered the chat and apparently this product doesn't been the German standards. Sorry for beating the...
Turns out it was not on good terms. BikeYoke has entered the chat and apparently this product doesn't been the German standards. Sorry for beating the dead horse but context needs to be present for vital readers
I had a bike yoke dropper. Worked great. When it needed a rebuild I learned it was a damn Rube Goldberg device. After three attempts, I gave it away. Maybe the partnership didn’t work out because the device wasnt complicated enough. Maybe OneUp wants it.
Edit: sure like my 4 OneUp posts that work just fine, even if not perfect, and can rebuilt in 10 minutes. would gladly buy a electronic adaptor and spare myself the hassle of internal cable routing on some bikes with headache -inducing routing.
I had a bike yoke dropper. Worked great. When it needed a rebuild I learned it was a damn Rube Goldberg device. After three attempts, I...
I had a bike yoke dropper. Worked great. When it needed a rebuild I learned it was a damn Rube Goldberg device. After three attempts, I gave it away. Maybe the partnership didn’t work out because the device wasnt complicated enough. Maybe OneUp wants it.
Edit: sure like my 4 OneUp posts that work just fine, even if not perfect, and can rebuilt in 10 minutes. would gladly buy a electronic adaptor and spare myself the hassle of internal cable routing on some bikes with headache -inducing routing.
That's usually true for German (over) engineering.
Source,
I work for an Austrian company and do testing and evaluation.
I have two BY droppers. One has been flawless for years. The other one has been giving me mild troubles since new, never as smooth and responsive as the other one. Then there were problems with failing bushings. I am still a big fan and would buy another one in a heartbeat, but they aren't completely flawless. I would not hesitate to buy a 3rd party wireless kit if reasonably priced and engineered well enough. Petty emtpy beer dramas make no difference to me.
I like the fact that One Ups work when it works and doesn't when it doesn't but are relatively in expensive to rebuild. If only the wireless posts were the same they'd be near prefect.
FWIW, when we were discussing how simple it is to make a wirless conversion, it's not THAT easy. Easy in principle as you need some kind of motor/actuator pushing the interface of the post, some electronics to do the communication, a remote and some way for the two to communicate.
What that means is you need to handle the mechanics of the actuator. A motor, some geartrain, something to press the thing in the post. You need a battery and some way to charge it. Some control electronics to talk to the remote and do the bzt bzt part. Then there's the remote that has at least one button, a battery, some way to charge it or exchange it. Everything also needs to be waterproof.
So you need a GOOD mechanical engineer, not just an off the shelf one, to handle all these details and tolerances. Probably quite some tooling too to make the parts as well. Then you need a hardware/electronics engineer to do all the electronics and components speccing. If you're lucky, said engineer will handle the embedded software on the electronics too, otherwise you need an embedded SW engineer as well. Then when you have everything made, you need to certify it as well, as it's an electronics device, I think it needs a CE mark in Europe, UKCA in the UK and because it's wireless, an FCC validation in the US. Plus a plethora of other certs around the world.
You can do A LOT as a one man band mechanical engineer when it comes to mechanics, basically complete frames, components, companies, etc. It's a bit more involved when electronics & co enter the chat.
BY burned by Sram? What does this relate to?FWIW, when we were discussing how simple it is to make a wirless conversion, it's not THAT easy...
BY burned by Sram? What does this relate to?
FWIW, when we were discussing how simple it is to make a wirless conversion, it's not THAT easy. Easy in principle as you need some kind of motor/actuator pushing the interface of the post, some electronics to do the communication, a remote and some way for the two to communicate.
What that means is you need to handle the mechanics of the actuator. A motor, some geartrain, something to press the thing in the post. You need a battery and some way to charge it. Some control electronics to talk to the remote and do the bzt bzt part. Then there's the remote that has at least one button, a battery, some way to charge it or exchange it. Everything also needs to be waterproof.
So you need a GOOD mechanical engineer, not just an off the shelf one, to handle all these details and tolerances. Probably quite some tooling too to make the parts as well. Then you need a hardware/electronics engineer to do all the electronics and components speccing. If you're lucky, said engineer will handle the embedded software on the electronics too, otherwise you need an embedded SW engineer as well. Then when you have everything made, you need to certify it as well, as it's an electronics device, I think it needs a CE mark in Europe, UKCA in the UK and because it's wireless, an FCC validation in the US. Plus a plethora of other certs around the world.
You can do A LOT as a one man band mechanical engineer when it comes to mechanics, basically complete frames, components, companies, etc. It's a bit more involved when electronics & co enter the chat.
This.
I've seen teams underestimate the effort required for an electronic product a few times.
My conclusion of this is: it's just a complicated way to solve the problem, which doesn't make it too favorable in my book.
And IF you put so much work into a solution I'd rather see it go towards simplicity / durability / serviceability / smoothnes / etc. of a mechanical solution.
BY burned by Sram? What does this relate to?FWIW, when we were discussing how simple it is to make a wirless conversion, it's not THAT easy...
BY burned by Sram? What does this relate to?
FWIW, when we were discussing how simple it is to make a wirless conversion, it's not THAT easy. Easy in principle as you need some kind of motor/actuator pushing the interface of the post, some electronics to do the communication, a remote and some way for the two to communicate.
What that means is you need to handle the mechanics of the actuator. A motor, some geartrain, something to press the thing in the post. You need a battery and some way to charge it. Some control electronics to talk to the remote and do the bzt bzt part. Then there's the remote that has at least one button, a battery, some way to charge it or exchange it. Everything also needs to be waterproof.
So you need a GOOD mechanical engineer, not just an off the shelf one, to handle all these details and tolerances. Probably quite some tooling too to make the parts as well. Then you need a hardware/electronics engineer to do all the electronics and components speccing. If you're lucky, said engineer will handle the embedded software on the electronics too, otherwise you need an embedded SW engineer as well. Then when you have everything made, you need to certify it as well, as it's an electronics device, I think it needs a CE mark in Europe, UKCA in the UK and because it's wireless, an FCC validation in the US. Plus a plethora of other certs around the world.
You can do A LOT as a one man band mechanical engineer when it comes to mechanics, basically complete frames, components, companies, etc. It's a bit more involved when electronics & co enter the chat.
There was an interview with Sacki sometime around the release of the latest n greatest Reverb where he related Sram asking him for a post and he mistakenly thought there was the potential for a licensing arrangement. Turns out it was for reverse engineering purposes to find a way to circumvent his patents. Sure it happens and woe for assuming, but not even paying for the thing is a poor showing.
I like the fact that One Ups work when it works and doesn't when it doesn't but are relatively in expensive to rebuild. If only the...
I like the fact that One Ups work when it works and doesn't when it doesn't but are relatively in expensive to rebuild. If only the wireless posts were the same they'd be near prefect.
I like the fact that when they don't work One Up will pretty much just send you a new cartridge without worrying if the post is in it's warranty period or not. They even sent me some socks one time since I had a spate of bad cartridges. They also sent me 50% off after losing an EDC pump when one of their older thinner pump straps broke.
The OneUp post is pretty much the only product on my bike that's failed multiple times that I am still a diehard fan of because of the simplicity of the rebuild and the outstanding customer service. US thinking I guess.
I like the fact that One Ups work when it works and doesn't when it doesn't but are relatively in expensive to rebuild. If only the...
I like the fact that One Ups work when it works and doesn't when it doesn't but are relatively in expensive to rebuild. If only the wireless posts were the same they'd be near prefect.
I like the fact that when they don't work One Up will pretty much just send you a new cartridge without worrying if the post is...
I like the fact that when they don't work One Up will pretty much just send you a new cartridge without worrying if the post is in it's warranty period or not. They even sent me some socks one time since I had a spate of bad cartridges. They also sent me 50% off after losing an EDC pump when one of their older thinner pump straps broke.
The OneUp post is pretty much the only product on my bike that's failed multiple times that I am still a diehard fan of because of the simplicity of the rebuild and the outstanding customer service. US thinking I guess.
Make a well engineered but expensive to manufacture component that is reliable. Or. Make a cheap but unreliable component and just keep replacing it.
A large number of the components will never actually be used enough to fail anyway (and so are very profitable) and those that are will be replaced immediately (and cheaply). Customers remember 'the outstanding customer service' rather than having a component that never actually needed it in the first place and associate that with being a good product. eg, Trek spec the '1248' freeehub body on a load of wheelsets, it's absolute garbage and fails constantly. It is a £6 part. A better quality one might be £10 and never fail but they make an extra £4 on every single wheel and that offsets the 15-20% of failures (and the store has to suck up the labour). And people are always super happy when you fix their broken bike for free. It's weird.....but it works and makes more money for the manufacturer.
Hardly fair to imply the OneUp post falls into the cheap but unreliable category. You'll find outliers that have replaced a number of cartridges, others who occasionally service them, and yet others still who've more or less never had to service them. Other than cleaning the collar and adding slick honey to the seal head, I've never had to do a take-apart service of any of my oneup posts after years of use.
Where were you for the first 5 years of dropper posts? Maybe you've moved the goalposts since but 90% of the stuff from that era is going to be my example of what an actually unreliable post looks like.
I had a bike yoke dropper. Worked great. When it needed a rebuild I learned it was a damn Rube Goldberg device. After three attempts, I...
I had a bike yoke dropper. Worked great. When it needed a rebuild I learned it was a damn Rube Goldberg device. After three attempts, I gave it away. Maybe the partnership didn’t work out because the device wasnt complicated enough. Maybe OneUp wants it.
Edit: sure like my 4 OneUp posts that work just fine, even if not perfect, and can rebuilt in 10 minutes. would gladly buy a electronic adaptor and spare myself the hassle of internal cable routing on some bikes with headache -inducing routing.
That's usually true for German (over) engineering.
Source,
I work for an Austrian company and do testing and evaluation.
Not sure what bikeyoke models you've worked on but I find them a dream to rebuild - the devine (?) post without an IFP is so simple inside it makes a real mockery of all the brands that use an IFP but have terrible reliability. Personally I think everyone should be copying them (but at least pay for a post if you are going to do that!)
Seriously as great of an invention the dropper post is, they are still far from perfect and Bikeyoke proved it doesn't need to be as complicated as others have made out
As for the OG thing - is seems to me like they had discussions and maybe OG jumped the gun before a contract was signed - if so, then tough luck. If they went ahead developing a product which wasn't what BY was after then without a contract thats on them IMO. I do hear of that kind of thing in all industries - heck I get a lot of people hitting me up for testing and development advice but I know full well if I start looking in to it without agreeing on some kind of payment then I'm basically doing it for free. And I'm fine with that, but I have to accept that if I sink a bunch of time in to testing without some kind of agreement then I probably won't get anything back from it
Hardly fair to imply the OneUp post falls into the cheap but unreliable category. You'll find outliers that have replaced a number of cartridges, others who...
Hardly fair to imply the OneUp post falls into the cheap but unreliable category. You'll find outliers that have replaced a number of cartridges, others who occasionally service them, and yet others still who've more or less never had to service them. Other than cleaning the collar and adding slick honey to the seal head, I've never had to do a take-apart service of any of my oneup posts after years of use.
Where were you for the first 5 years of dropper posts? Maybe you've moved the goalposts since but 90% of the stuff from that era is going to be my example of what an actually unreliable post looks like.
I've only ever had to Grease the seal head, otherwise i dont touch them... several v2's that have been going for years. got 2 x v3's and they are even better. I had several Fox transfers fail, PNW fail... but never a failure of a oneup.
Correct, basically just reposting an ad by a Chinese company, with no 3rd party assessment. Maybe it’s a great product, but I thought vital was more of a review site, rather than an advertising platform. Simple things like there are no 14 speed cassettes yet, and no real way to set the indexing between sram and shimano standards (although very small) and the obvious name of “GX” coincidentally the same letters SRAM uses for their lower end wireless drivetrain, make seem like another low effort Chinese product with a lot more refining to be done before brought to market.
Turns out it was not on good terms. BikeYoke has entered the chat and apparently this product doesn't been the German standards. Sorry for beating the dead horse but context needs to be present for vital readers
Maybe not. I imagine it may be a specialized employees bike or the property owners bike. The new specialized development center is about 35 minutes from where they are testing so its quite possible its just another employees bike.
Cat fight!!
"We don't make public alligations..." goes on to make public alligations.
There not any allegations in his post, at least none regarding OG. Merely that they said they have not wanted to move forward with any of the prototypes that have been tested so far.
Is it an allusion to low quality, or BY's high standards? I'm guessing anything with a wintek cartridge would not meet those standards and that seems to be what most people are running relatively trouble free these days.
I do get what you're saying, it's not all sunshine and rainbows, but its also not an abject declaration of a dogshit product. If it met a different standard of quality than the one purported by BY, such as whatever Oneup is happy to send out the door, I'd probably be OK with it.
I see the comment as stating what was offered didn't meet expectations so we moved on. It happens in a colab setting often enough. With BY getting burned by Sram I can only surmise that they don't want to put themselves too in cahoots with another co unless there's a solid reason to do so. IMO, BY does things right most of the time outright and then makes sure updates are backwards compatible. I don't see them being the 'wait til the 2nd-3rd year of production to chase out the bugs' type of company.
What I see is a classic clash of US and DE business cultures.
I won't spill the tea, but ten minutes of Googling and following the breadcrumbs relating to "OG Bikeworks" yields some pretty intriguing stuff – interesting previous employers, patents, failed Kickstarters, etc.
In any case, wireless dropper conversions seem like a good idea. I hope a dialed implementation of the concept comes to market.
What the world of Google can do to find dirty laundry....
Don't know OG Bikeworks, do konw that every BikeYoke post I have had has been flawless, so I err on the side of BY. Be that I have also delt with German vs US business decisions, where both sides make dumb choices. So until my BY post fails or an OG works post conversion comes out, I wait.
I had a bike yoke dropper. Worked great. When it needed a rebuild I learned it was a damn Rube Goldberg device. After three attempts, I gave it away.
Maybe the partnership didn’t work out because the device wasnt complicated enough. Maybe OneUp wants it.
Edit: sure like my 4 OneUp posts that work just fine, even if not perfect, and can rebuilt in 10 minutes. would gladly buy a electronic adaptor and spare myself the hassle of internal cable routing on some bikes with headache -inducing routing.
That's usually true for German (over) engineering.
Source,
I work for an Austrian company and do testing and evaluation.
I have two BY droppers. One has been flawless for years. The other one has been giving me mild troubles since new, never as smooth and responsive as the other one. Then there were problems with failing bushings. I am still a big fan and would buy another one in a heartbeat, but they aren't completely flawless. I would not hesitate to buy a 3rd party wireless kit if reasonably priced and engineered well enough. Petty emtpy beer dramas make no difference to me.
I like the fact that One Ups work when it works and doesn't when it doesn't but are relatively in expensive to rebuild. If only the wireless posts were the same they'd be near prefect.
BY burned by Sram? What does this relate to?
FWIW, when we were discussing how simple it is to make a wirless conversion, it's not THAT easy. Easy in principle as you need some kind of motor/actuator pushing the interface of the post, some electronics to do the communication, a remote and some way for the two to communicate.
What that means is you need to handle the mechanics of the actuator. A motor, some geartrain, something to press the thing in the post. You need a battery and some way to charge it. Some control electronics to talk to the remote and do the bzt bzt part. Then there's the remote that has at least one button, a battery, some way to charge it or exchange it. Everything also needs to be waterproof.
So you need a GOOD mechanical engineer, not just an off the shelf one, to handle all these details and tolerances. Probably quite some tooling too to make the parts as well. Then you need a hardware/electronics engineer to do all the electronics and components speccing. If you're lucky, said engineer will handle the embedded software on the electronics too, otherwise you need an embedded SW engineer as well. Then when you have everything made, you need to certify it as well, as it's an electronics device, I think it needs a CE mark in Europe, UKCA in the UK and because it's wireless, an FCC validation in the US. Plus a plethora of other certs around the world.
You can do A LOT as a one man band mechanical engineer when it comes to mechanics, basically complete frames, components, companies, etc. It's a bit more involved when electronics & co enter the chat.
This.
I've seen teams underestimate the effort required for an electronic product a few times.
My conclusion of this is: it's just a complicated way to solve the problem, which doesn't make it too favorable in my book.
And IF you put so much work into a solution I'd rather see it go towards simplicity / durability / serviceability / smoothnes / etc. of a mechanical solution.
Guess I'm just an old nostalgic.
There was an interview with Sacki sometime around the release of the latest n greatest Reverb where he related Sram asking him for a post and he mistakenly thought there was the potential for a licensing arrangement. Turns out it was for reverse engineering purposes to find a way to circumvent his patents. Sure it happens and woe for assuming, but not even paying for the thing is a poor showing.
The MVP startup model and it's consequences have been a disaster for US based product dev and manufacturing.
I like the fact that when they don't work One Up will pretty much just send you a new cartridge without worrying if the post is in it's warranty period or not. They even sent me some socks one time since I had a spate of bad cartridges. They also sent me 50% off after losing an EDC pump when one of their older thinner pump straps broke.
The OneUp post is pretty much the only product on my bike that's failed multiple times that I am still a diehard fan of because of the simplicity of the rebuild and the outstanding customer service. US thinking I guess.
Make a well engineered but expensive to manufacture component that is reliable.
Or.
Make a cheap but unreliable component and just keep replacing it.
A large number of the components will never actually be used enough to fail anyway (and so are very profitable) and those that are will be replaced immediately (and cheaply). Customers remember 'the outstanding customer service' rather than having a component that never actually needed it in the first place and associate that with being a good product.
eg, Trek spec the '1248' freeehub body on a load of wheelsets, it's absolute garbage and fails constantly. It is a £6 part. A better quality one might be £10 and never fail but they make an extra £4 on every single wheel and that offsets the 15-20% of failures (and the store has to suck up the labour).
And people are always super happy when you fix their broken bike for free.
It's weird.....but it works and makes more money for the manufacturer.
Hardly fair to imply the OneUp post falls into the cheap but unreliable category. You'll find outliers that have replaced a number of cartridges, others who occasionally service them, and yet others still who've more or less never had to service them. Other than cleaning the collar and adding slick honey to the seal head, I've never had to do a take-apart service of any of my oneup posts after years of use.
Where were you for the first 5 years of dropper posts? Maybe you've moved the goalposts since but 90% of the stuff from that era is going to be my example of what an actually unreliable post looks like.
Not sure what bikeyoke models you've worked on but I find them a dream to rebuild - the devine (?) post without an IFP is so simple inside it makes a real mockery of all the brands that use an IFP but have terrible reliability. Personally I think everyone should be copying them (but at least pay for a post if you are going to do that!)
Seriously as great of an invention the dropper post is, they are still far from perfect and Bikeyoke proved it doesn't need to be as complicated as others have made out
As for the OG thing - is seems to me like they had discussions and maybe OG jumped the gun before a contract was signed - if so, then tough luck. If they went ahead developing a product which wasn't what BY was after then without a contract thats on them IMO. I do hear of that kind of thing in all industries - heck I get a lot of people hitting me up for testing and development advice but I know full well if I start looking in to it without agreeing on some kind of payment then I'm basically doing it for free. And I'm fine with that, but I have to accept that if I sink a bunch of time in to testing without some kind of agreement then I probably won't get anything back from it
I've only ever had to Grease the seal head, otherwise i dont touch them... several v2's that have been going for years. got 2 x v3's and they are even better.
I had several Fox transfers fail, PNW fail... but never a failure of a oneup.
zink bikes officially open
https://www.vitalmtb.com/community/ZinkBikes/blog/12/07/2024/entry/128126
I’m confused by why you guys are promoting some Chinese knockoff electronic shifting on Instagram, doesn’t seem very on brand.
Times are tough and a lot of riders (or influencers, I don't know which "guys" you're talking about) need to find another source of income fast?
I think he’s triggered by this
Programmable sprocket count and size certainly brings something new to the party. Review when?
Edit: although I'd be pretty wary of the app...
Correct, basically just reposting an ad by a Chinese company, with no 3rd party assessment. Maybe it’s a great product, but I thought vital was more of a review site, rather than an advertising platform.
Simple things like there are no 14 speed cassettes yet, and no real way to set the indexing between sram and shimano standards (although very small) and the obvious name of “GX” coincidentally the same letters SRAM uses for their lower end wireless drivetrain, make seem like another low effort Chinese product with a lot more refining to be done before brought to market.