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I don't think this was confirmed by Bosch ?
Looks like it's just a rumor circulating.
90Nm and 700W probably. Not 100.
Sorry for the off topic, but uuuhm, long-shocked Claymore? 😀 How does that work out? Some details?
At the severe risk of having someone quote this post in a reply with a link to a different tech-rumours banishment thread, I'll reply.
It's not as exciting as you'd think. The bike is supposed to use a 230x60 shock to deliver 165mm of travel. When I originally built it, I used a 230x57.5 shock as an emergency shock (Last year I broke an enduro frame on a Monday, drove two hours each way to pick up a Claymore frame from a shop on Wednesday, and left for a four-day Whistler closing weekend trip on a Thursday after staying up til 1 AM building the Claymore), and a 160mm fork - these were what I had in a pinch. The bike worked really well as a ~160mm FR/RR frame and I rode the season on that setup (with short cranks and presumably quite a bit less sag in real units than the full travel or more)
This spring when it came time to get proper suspension, I got a 180mm 38 and a 230x Float X on the basis that I thought air would work better on the bike for my use case. I ran the bike slightly over-stroked at 230x62.5 for most of the summer and then pulled out the final spacer to run 230x65mm for the fall. Napkin math says its approximately 180mm fr/rr. Cruising the forums, I couldn't find anybody (other than me) talking about doing this so I said screw it, why not try.
With adjustments, the platform works nice in every mode I've tried it. I am on a large frame and it's certainly outside what Deviate intended. I've absolutely bottomed the shock out in full-travel mode and there's no obvious binding or issues with the linkage and the rearward axle path keeps the wheel away from the seat tube. Will it work on other shocks and other sizes? I don't know. The Float X/X2 are nice because changing travel is a one beer job, so if it's wrong you can drink a second beer and put it back. Does it work better in ~180mm mode than how it was intended (or close to intended)? Its honestly far less dramatic of a difference than what I've felt messing around with on other platforms. I'd probably have to ride them back to back to be sure. I can say that, at least with the Float X, it retains the same level of agility it had before and is excellent at saving my ass.
But hey, don't take advice or ideas from me on what you should and shouldn't do to your frames. An upcoming project will involve not insignificant frame modifications on one of my old Instincts. I'd say don't tell Rocky but the thing has been outside of warranty for a long time.
Hi Rugbyred,
with a 155 crank length and pendulums, your extended position / saddle position would be 15mm higher from your cranks, and ~12mm lower from the pendulum pedals as compared to your average 12mm thick pedal for a total of a +3mm effect. When your pedals are level you'll still be 12mm lower than your standard pedal. The effects will be a net positive in my opinion, though I don't mind spinning smaller circles and having a bit more q-factor. Thanks for commenting!
It looks like the claymore's leverage curve is basically linear through the first half then has a dramatically decreasing leverage ratio at the end of stroke, which might explain why it feels the way it does overstroked. I assume it felt even more "bottomless"?
If by "why it feels the way it does overstroked" you mean roughly the same, then yeah. The nosedive is so dramatic, as you've put it, that who knows if I'm really getting through that last bit of travel unless I really stuff something up.
Sounds like the perfect condition for a coil shock! 😃 Asked about the long-shocking cause It’s an interesting topic and some good info as to which frames can take it.
On the topic of shocks and to steer a little on thread-ontopic, has anyone heard of something new from ND Tuned? Their website still states only the old sizes for their shock - no metric ones. And it’s a beautiful shock that deserves a second iteration - the present 1 is probably the lightest coil one weighing as much as 350g coil-less for a 216x63mm size, I think…
Talking to a inside guy at my shop about the new Shimano Groups.
Their will be Deore / SLX / XT / XTR Wireless Sets at the beginning of 2025. They are not like the Road Groups with a wire to Accu System. Cassettes will be 9-45 and 10-51. he said their will be NO new Saint Group!
The Brake we all saw and thought it must be the new saints, will be the new XTR 4-Piston Brake.
The real question is, what about mechanical options?
have you tried anything halfway between the current two models? is there an amount of drop that feels pretty much like a regular pedal but has enough drop that it can be singlesided and self-righting?
What do you mean with a regular pedal? A situation where the platform is not below the axle centerline?
As long as the centre of gravity of the pedal is not in line with the axle, it will "self right". With a two sided pedal this is not needed, but could be made possible. There are other factors influencing the self righting capability though and if not achieved, a single sided pedal becomes a pain to ride with as soon as you take your foot off the pedal. It's very likely you will step in the wrong side if it doesn't self right.
Only Deore will have a mechanical,12 speed version. SLX will go kaput, as will Saint, and XTR/XT/Deore will be 13 speed wireless, ANT+ compatible.
XTR and XT will have Race (compact cassette, 2-pot brakes) and Enduro (wide range cassette, 4-pot brakes) versions.
Arent there enough already? :D I just hope they will keep supporting 11speed stuff!
Sorry for the topic derailment too:
I've been running a 230*65mm Superdeluxe coil lately on my XL claymore. So far so good... But fitting it might be a little more fliddly comparing to an air shock.
I'm a bit concerned about the setup tho: in order to fit the shock I needed to kinda "overclock" the lower link in its max range (dunno if it does make sense). By doing so I'm not sure that the current config would not damage the bearings or even frame structure -but again I'm nor engineer nor even a reliable tester, so if anybody at Deviate (or with an actual tech expertise) had an input...
(PS intended to Deviate guys: please, make those TiLander happen. Please.)
13s? My info was still 12s
I hadn’t realised the new Bosch cx5 stuff was that much lighter, the older stuff was a fair bit heavier for equivalent battery capacity.
The DJI bike must have saved a chunk in the frame too as the specs on the bike ware more than acceptable for the intended riding, you’d probably swap in some heavier casing tyres but otherwise it’s capable right off the bat.
Doesn’t make sense to have such cassettes, there’s only a 10% difference in range, not to mention the fact making both a 10t and a 9t cogs isn’t cost-effective. I guess you mean a 9-51t cassette. Also, can’t really believe they’ll axe the Saint - what’s gonna cover the dh- and fr-bikes? Some short-cage version of the regular groups? Better just call it the Saint derailleur, if there isn’t any real meaning in making an entire Saint group!
Shut your damn dirty mouth!
13 speed wireless, 12 speed mechanical. The 9-51 enduro cassettes (and 9-45 for XC) are the 13s ones. Mechanical Deore will still be 12s, 10-51.
I love this!
I'm such a fan of the Optic, and any short travel ripper bike (Fugitive short stroked to 120mm running an X2) The additional air and oil volume is key with these units.
(Can be run as a full 275 as well.....)
For similar money you could go to any number of boutique steel bike mfg's and get a custom sized steel bike, that would be infinitely cooler than any Trek would ever be. Support those little guys out there making rad stuff
If Trek hadn’t put all their eggs in the Armstrong-worship basket 20 years ago, they’d probably still have functioning steel and aluminum production lines in house, like they did before they fully embraced the concept of 4 different levels of imported carbon for everyone…
So Trek shouldn't make the bike?
People should have less options and there should be less cool bikes in the world because of a point that is always the case?
We have now entered Zero-Sum-Biking. Much preferred to the dreaded N+1. You are now not allowed to do stuff other people do.
Are there any news for an updated Firebird?
If they can get the Deore shifter + derailleur under $400 I’m actually curious about wireless. If not, I really hope they don’t kill my beloved Deore 11 speed!
there was spy shots a while back running a similar DW6 Linkage from the Phoenix on a lug prototype but I doubt it's coming anytime soon.
Honest question here: what's the benefit of 13s on MTB, is anyone asking for it?
I'd love 13 speed on my 1X road whip, but have never once wanted closer spacing on a trail or enduro bike. I LOVED the move to 12 speed as someone who climbs big hills and started 1-by in the 9 speed days (I was young an also had a SS). The benefit of 12 speed was increased range, and I feel gear spacing is appropriate (now with Transmission improving the sucky 42-52 jump). I don't see additional range being needed, it's the pie-plate and derailleur arm that's the limitation at this point.
Either way, competition is good, so I hope the new Shimano stuff sells well and pushes prices back from the stratosphere.
Didn’t the Shimano guy on the pinkbike podcast say that one of their goals is to always have a well working mechanical XT drivetrain?
All this wireless only and 13 speed does not really sound typical for them
13 would be wild piling more unsprung rotating mass at the back of the bike all for what? I ride a good bit of road from my house to local trails on Deore 11sp and don’t even feel the need for one closer spaced gear in the middle of 12. (9T would be an upgrade at least) It’ll be a shame if Deore 11 goes away and us fanboys will have to move Cues. (hard to find durability info for mtb on Cues at this point)
13sp GRX would be cool