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damn, didn't think that lower c-o-g pedals with a hole in them would create such a commotion
I don’t think that’s accurate. The centre of the axles do not appear lined up.
Anyone know what rear mech this is?
It could be Sram Force or RED eTap short cage. I tried one on my DH bike but the clutch wasn't strong enough to stop chain slap. I loved the clean bars and ease of swapping frames thought.
Looks like a XO1 AXS derailleur with SRAM XO1 7 speed cage. You can mess with the limit screws to make it work with that mini block cassette.
looks very close but not identical. definitely appears to be using the DH cassette, could be something new?
Seems odd that SRAM would drop a non-Transmission/UDH style DH groupset. Unless this is some sort of old proto they made a while back?
likely something bodged together.... correct me if i'm wrong but i don't believe there are any UDH compatible DH frames on the market yet.
edit: i'm a dummy and got udh confused with t-type.
New Pivot Phoenix is UDH.
i'm a dummy and was thinking t-type, not UDH
Same thing. You remove the UDH to install a T-type derailleur.
Has anybody tried the DJI stuff on a bike yet? I'm curious how it compares to a ep801, cx line gen 5, specialized drive units. I've liked the bosch and specialized units I've ridden.
The first benefit of the pendulums that came to my mind was that my shins would be 50% less scarred, and butterfly bandages are surprisingly expensive. Maybe they'll sell a variant that self-rights to pins down for hacks that crash and bash their shins a lot?
Something new coming from Aenomaly this Friday...
https://www.norco.com/bikes/mountain/trail/optic/25-optic-C2-mx/
ok im kinda laughing at this. I know they already made one with a vivid and that was funny enough but for some reason seeing an X2 stroked to make 125mm just tickles me. Norco went so unhinged with the Optic build and I absolutely love them for it. Short travel high pivot... Entire separate linkage to run MX... and offering stock Vivid/X2 options for 125 travel lol. Surely these product dev team meetings have gotta be a blast.
Remember when Dodge slapped a hellcat engine into a Pacifica
Having spent a bunch of time on the new Optic, it actually does make sense. It's the single best descending 125mm bike I've ever ridden, and with the x2 you can easily stroke it to just shy of 140mm. It pops, it's agile, it jumps extremely well, it plows. On single black chattery tech I kept up with my buddy on his range without issue. It does EVERYTHING downhill and it does it extremely well (within reason, it's obviously no superenduro/dh bike). The increased oil volume over the float X makes a ton of sense for a lot of the people who are going to ride this bike to its full potential.
For what it's worth, the FS product manager has his personal Optic set up with a coil.
It just pedals about the same as my long-shocked Deviate Claymore.
I mean it may seem comical in a way but theyre thinking ahead. They know people are going to do this anyways. Or at least are curious to do this. Why not just make it a 1 stop shop.
I’ve ridden it a little as a riding buddy works for DJI and it’s a big step up in terms of power compared to Bosch, brose and Shimano motors. The software and a few little extras built in seem really clever, the adaptive power mode (like Bosch e-Mtb) uses some built into the bike pitch and yaw sensors so it knows when the bike is going uphill and gives more assistance. The bike they’ve built it into seems decent (simple and well executed 4 bar but not going to get anyone overly excited) the main promise is in the motor and the software. Also helps that it’s about 1.5-2 kg lighter than an equivalent bike with a Bosch, brose or Shimano unit and battery.
But thats mainly due to the bike right?
Dji motor: 2,52kg + dji battery 800Wh: 3,74kg = 6,26kg
Bosch CX5: 2,8kg + 800Wh battery: 3,9kg = 6,7 kg
So the system difference is 440g right?
Power is still impressive. With the high power you probably need a quite big battery, otherwise it'll be empty quite soon. For me its still more about the bike.
Everyone talks about the DJI's power (120Nm vs the industry standard 85Nm) but I'm really excited to see how light DJI could make a 60Nm motor...
https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/e-bike-talk-not-tech-rumor-derailment?page=4#comment-496981
Hi there, Cam here from Outlier MTB. First and foremost, thank you all for your positive comments and support during our recent launch!
I see that some of you have been discussing the actual pedal drop on this forum. There have been some misunderstandings that we would like to take some time to clear up. Our Pendulum pedal as it was released has 6mm of drop measured from the centre of the axle to the top of the platform. Most flat pedal platforms are somewhere between 5-7mm above the axle so our pedals are essentially ~12mm bellow your average pedal.
We did in fact test several different amounts of drop. We rode a 12mm version early on and it had more pedal strikes than we were comfortable with, and only a little bit more of that "cradle affect". I hope this helps clear things up a little! For more details visit our site, or DM us on instagram. Cheers!
It's nice having a boss whose preferred answer is "Go for it. Give it a try and see how it works."
Speaking of trying things. Trek needs to stop baiting the steel Top Fuel and do a fun limited run of them. And people need to stop going in the comments asking for a steel enduro rig or steel Roscoe or whatever lol. Give people an inch and they always take a mile. Short travel FS steel is quite unique. Would be cool to see it in the market. Can't quite remember the last time I got genuinely excited about a Trek release. 🤔
yeah but who would actually buy a like 9k$ complete trek half steel frame? Internet reception was good but it does not = sales, sadly
Cam,
Thanks for joining the fun!
I am planning to try shorter cranks next season (hopping on the bandwagon). If I go from 170mm to 155mm and get the Pendulum pedals, would that not put my foot back within 3mm of were it was or am I totally not understanding the pedal’s foot position?
I mean I think that's why they are still talking about it and generating interest. Because it's absolutely going to be a limited run. So do you do... 100 of them? 50? 500? What sizes?
Also they are definitely going to be upcharged but... Did they say that number? Do you mean for the whole build? I don't think they're going to make it domestically, and even if they did I don't think it's a 9k frame. At most a 9k build depending on spec. But I could see the build being as low as 7500 and the frame no more than 5k. Again, did they say 9k? For a frame?
If parallel to the ground, 3 mm higher at bottom dead centre, 27 mm lower at top dead centre.
In Q1 2025 bosch is releasing an update to do 100nm on the CX5.