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Dave_Camp
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8/19/2024 5:34am Edited Date/Time 8/19/2024 5:36am

The damper is pretty consistent.  Damper fluid is designed to have consistent viscosity across a wide range of temperatures… that is the whole reason to have a special oil.  Plus the fact that shim valves aren’t terribly sensitive to viscosity in the first place.  I’ve run these experiments on a dyno FYI- small % changes at most.


Air springs on the other hand gain noticeable pressure when hot. 


I’m always a bit skeptical when someone complains about their coil shock becoming a pogo stick due to heat. More than likely it’s you and your (weak, non-world cup) legs getting fatigued.  😂 

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smelly
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8/19/2024 6:02am
dwhere wrote:
Trek really trying to make soft tail a thing.  

Trek really trying to make soft tail a thing. 

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I like it. Bucking the longer travel trend. Not everyone wants or needs 120mm of travel. I find my Spur to be as fast, or faster, than my enduro bike in 95% of descents.

Unpopular opinion - most people would be better off (maybe even enjoy riding more) with less bike than they currently use. I'm in the front range and it's shocking how many coil shocked, 160mm bikes you see getting totted around what could easily be rigid singlespeed territory.  

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8/19/2024 6:18am
smelly wrote:
I like it. Bucking the longer travel trend. Not everyone wants or needs 120mm of travel. I find my Spur to be as fast, or faster...

I like it. Bucking the longer travel trend. Not everyone wants or needs 120mm of travel. I find my Spur to be as fast, or faster, than my enduro bike in 95% of descents.

Unpopular opinion - most people would be better off (maybe even enjoy riding more) with less bike than they currently use. I'm in the front range and it's shocking how many coil shocked, 160mm bikes you see getting totted around what could easily be rigid singlespeed territory.  

while i agree that many riders often have "more" bike than they need for a given trail, i'm not sure if this comes from a desire to be "overbiked" or just that many riders have one bike.  they need it to cover many different kinds of terrains and difficulty levels - which results on inherently being overbiked on some trails. 

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8/19/2024 7:09am
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I'll be that guy and repost from the other site. Anyone have any idea what this is?

I'll be that guy and repost from the other site. Anyone have any idea what this is?

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This looks a lot like a Scor 4060 head tube 

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nskerb
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8/19/2024 7:16am
I agree for regular Joe's, a 3-4m downhill run at normal speeds the shock will get hot and cool slowly during a shuttle or liaison to...

I agree for regular Joe's, a 3-4m downhill run at normal speeds the shock will get hot and cool slowly during a shuttle or liaison to the next trail. 

I disagree for racing use. Shocks get extremely hot and damping profiles definitely change from heat, and definitely at WC speeds. 

Short of getting a frame though how much difference it makes is anyone's guess. But for a single run, I would prefer my shock to get dirty than to have 0 airflow around it. 

Evil96 wrote:
Shocks on Scotts don't stay clean as all the crap enters the headset thanks to the smart routing and finds its way down the frame, i've...

Shocks on Scotts don't stay clean as all the crap enters the headset thanks to the smart routing and finds its way down the frame, i've opened 2 only and both were full of crap

Yeah man idk about this one. Headset routing is terrible for a lot of reasons but I’d eat my bike if you could actually prove that it lets in enough junk through the headset to make the shock dirty. Maybe if sink your bike in a mud puddle for a few hours or ride muddy park all year and never clean your bike. 

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8/19/2024 7:21am
Primoz wrote:
"That makes a difference of about 5°C." I expected more to be honest... There were also heatsinks to mount to the valve bridge of X2 shocks in...

"That makes a difference of about 5°C." I expected more to be honest... 

There were also heatsinks to mount to the valve bridge of X2 shocks in the past.

How long before we see computer fans and some heatsinks mounted to shocks on the world cup circuit? 

Mmmmmmh, copper bridges and liquid nitrogen 

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Primoz
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8/19/2024 7:27am
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I'll be that guy and repost from the other site. Anyone have any idea what this is?

I'll be that guy and repost from the other site. Anyone have any idea what this is?

p5pb27086158

zakyd213 wrote:

This looks a lot like a Scor 4060 head tube 

Already cleared up, it's a new Chinese brand.

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8/19/2024 7:33am
Dave_Camp wrote:
The damper is pretty consistent.  Damper fluid is designed to have consistent viscosity across a wide range of temperatures… that is the whole reason to have...

The damper is pretty consistent.  Damper fluid is designed to have consistent viscosity across a wide range of temperatures… that is the whole reason to have a special oil.  Plus the fact that shim valves aren’t terribly sensitive to viscosity in the first place.  I’ve run these experiments on a dyno FYI- small % changes at most.


Air springs on the other hand gain noticeable pressure when hot. 


I’m always a bit skeptical when someone complains about their coil shock becoming a pogo stick due to heat. More than likely it’s you and your (weak, non-world cup) legs getting fatigued.  😂 

On this episode of mythbusters.. Love to see an actual professional chime in.

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8/19/2024 7:37am

This website has some variations of the transfer neo in stock ready to ship with others being available September 20. Maybe product launch this Monday? 
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8/19/2024 7:54am
saskskier wrote:
I'll be that guy and repost from the other site. Anyone have any idea what this is?

I'll be that guy and repost from the other site. Anyone have any idea what this is?

p5pb27086158

zakyd213 wrote:

This looks a lot like a Scor 4060 head tube 

Primoz wrote:

Already cleared up, it's a new Chinese brand.

Sorry to ask, but since I missed that part, could yo please provide a reference?

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8/19/2024 7:58am
saskskier wrote:
I'll be that guy and repost from the other site. Anyone have any idea what this is?

I'll be that guy and repost from the other site. Anyone have any idea what this is?

p5pb27086158

saskskier wrote:
Turns out it's from a Chinese company called Extention Bicycles.https://www.instagram.com/p/C8_jnanxdzI/?r=nametag&img_index=2

Turns out it's from a Chinese company called Extention Bicycles.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C8_jnanxdzI/?r=nametag&img_index=2

Here. 

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8/19/2024 8:46am
schowny wrote:
Am I the only who thinks Scott is going backwards with the hidden shock? Sure it helps with a somewhat sleek look but it just seems...

Am I the only who thinks Scott is going backwards with the hidden shock? Sure it helps with a somewhat sleek look but it just seems like a pain to adjust a dial here or two…

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Evil96 wrote:

They’ve been going backwards for years with all the integration bullshit 

There is a butt for every seat.

Scott bikes stand out, and for some, that's enough to get their attention and dollars. 

If their bikes looked like all of the others, they would not stand out for anything in particular.

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Suns_PSD
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8/19/2024 8:49am
dwhere wrote:
Trek really trying to make soft tail a thing.  

Trek really trying to make soft tail a thing. 

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smelly wrote:
I like it. Bucking the longer travel trend. Not everyone wants or needs 120mm of travel. I find my Spur to be as fast, or faster...

I like it. Bucking the longer travel trend. Not everyone wants or needs 120mm of travel. I find my Spur to be as fast, or faster, than my enduro bike in 95% of descents.

Unpopular opinion - most people would be better off (maybe even enjoy riding more) with less bike than they currently use. I'm in the front range and it's shocking how many coil shocked, 160mm bikes you see getting totted around what could easily be rigid singlespeed territory.  

My Smuggler is considerably faster than my Spur was, on the same pretty mild trails (what I use this particular bike for).

My opinion is that flex stays just don't work well in the constant rocks (even on the mild trails) that I experience.

For me, the Spur was definitely a case of under-biked be slower.

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8/19/2024 9:58am
jsray wrote:
We’ve known for a long time that air shocks get hot during longer periods of use without being suffocated by a bag or box. I expect...

We’ve known for a long time that air shocks get hot during longer periods of use without being suffocated by a bag or box. I expect to see some cooling gadgets on the Scott during next seasons racing. Unless that’s already a no-go in the rule books? 

I've debated stuffing the internal storage full of snow or ice cubes so it can run down onto the shock lol. I'm interested to learn how that new Gambler feels at the bottom of a track versus at the top.

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8/19/2024 11:07am
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Its a striking look. I say an improvement on an already stunning bike(s). 

however, it is ripping off Zocheli

https://www.zoceli.cz/en/naosm

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8/19/2024 12:00pm
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Its a striking look. I say an improvement on an already stunning bike(s). however, it is ripping off Zochelihttps://www.zoceli.cz/en/naosm

Its a striking look. I say an improvement on an already stunning bike(s). 

however, it is ripping off Zocheli

https://www.zoceli.cz/en/naosm

Zoceli started making frames based on SC so I would not call it a rip off Smile

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8/19/2024 12:06pm
Kusa wrote:
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Looks good but also looks like less seat tube insertion and less room for other shocks than previous model

8/19/2024 12:08pm Edited Date/Time 8/19/2024 12:11pm
Kusa wrote:
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Trocko wrote:

Looks good but also looks like less seat tube insertion and less room for other shocks than previous model

Looks like but probably isn't. 

Does however look like less space for in frame storage than the V4.1.

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8/19/2024 12:18pm

New Bronson tomorrow. Release videos are already scheduled on Santa Cruz youtube. 

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New Bronson tomorrow. Release videos are already scheduled on Santa Cruz youtube. 

New Bronson tomorrow. Release videos are already scheduled on Santa Cruz youtube. 

Any idea when the new nomad will be coming?

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New Bronson tomorrow. Release videos are already scheduled on Santa Cruz youtube. 

New Bronson tomorrow. Release videos are already scheduled on Santa Cruz youtube. 

MauiMax wrote:

Any idea when the new nomad will be coming?

At least a full year out since they just released new colors.

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8/19/2024 12:38pm
Kusa wrote:
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The rumour was a mx/29 (bronson/hightower) platform but there doesn't look like there are any flip chips (apart from the usual very minimal one at the shock).

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8/19/2024 12:40pm
Kusa wrote:
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gibbon wrote:
The rumour was a mx/29 (bronson/hightower) platform but there doesn't look like there are any flip chips (apart from the usual very minimal one at the...

The rumour was a mx/29 (bronson/hightower) platform but there doesn't look like there are any flip chips (apart from the usual very minimal one at the shock).

Maybe it will be a separate mullet link you have to buy instead of just a flip chip? 

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8/19/2024 12:51pm
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Some more pictures.

I love my Bronson V4 I don‘t know how it could be better. From Trail/Enduro rides to Bikepark it is perfect.

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8/19/2024 12:51pm
Some more pictures.I love my Bronson V4 I don‘t know how it could be better. From Trail/Enduro rides to Bikepark it is perfect.
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Some more pictures.

I love my Bronson V4 I don‘t know how it could be better. From Trail/Enduro rides to Bikepark it is perfect.

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Can anyone spot a shifting cable or they went full electric too?

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