MTB Tech Rumors and Innovation

Big Bird wrote:

It's been bugging me for a while, where I'd seen that Specialized prototype design before. I know Ancilloti did something similar, but Paul Brodie just put...

It's been bugging me for a while, where I'd seen that Specialized prototype design before. I know Ancilloti did something similar, but Paul Brodie just put out a YouTube short on a bike he built as a younger man. And it's a mullet too!

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OHOEnqzxaCI

hamncheez2003 wrote:

Did anyone ride the last gen Scott Ransom? Its Twinloc reduced the air chamber volume of the shock instead of firming up compression to both increase...

Did anyone ride the last gen Scott Ransom? Its Twinloc reduced the air chamber volume of the shock instead of firming up compression to both increase ramp up dramatically and reduce travel (Cannondale had some bikes that did this too but they had crap geo so it doesn't count). To my mind this would be more effective at creating a 200mm travel DH bike that can be enjoyed pumping down a green trail or hitting super lippy dirt jumps made for dirt-jumpers. Since pretty much all bikes over 130mm travel have ~64 degree HTA anyways, geometry adjustment is less necessary.  

SteveClimber wrote:

Just so you know, you argument is invalid as you keep moving the goal posts.  First it's, lockouts saved so much time on the flat.  I...

Just so you know, you argument is invalid as you keep moving the goal posts. 

First it's, lockouts saved so much time on the flat. 

I referenced the actual timing of the athletes with lockout and the race timing and it's sector 2 that decided the race, followed by sector 3, sector 4 and 5 are both so short and the timings so close it didn't make the race at all. 

But now you make an argument that can't be disproven, that the athletes were faster than they would have been. Well maybe, we can't disprove that but again, sector 2 won the race. 

Nobody is doubting the gains that CAN be made by electronic lockout, but it's certainly not a game changer. But you can't make these sweeping arguments that the podium was stacked with them because of it, you can't prove it. 

 

I would argue it's no surprise that Specialised and Canyon riders are on the podium, they're two of the most professional teams with strict and efficient off seasons and new bikes at the cutting edge and track side timers to help them pick lines. Lockouts, maybe it helped, but the timings say it didn't actually matter. 

 

metadave wrote:

That bike was super cool, I love when it pops up every so often. But 26/24 mullets were terrible  I still remember my 2002 Bighit DH getting...

That bike was super cool, I love when it pops up every so often. But 26/24 mullets were terrible  I still remember my 2002 Bighit DH getting caught up on everything and I was trying to figure out what I was doing wrong until I got my A-line the two years later. Those 24" wheels were bomb hole magnets.

RiderMikeCheck1 wrote:

@smelly Luca was on the electronics and had his best result (or one of them) in the past couple seasons. DAK was the only one on...

@smelly Luca was on the electronics and had his best result (or one of them) in the past couple seasons. DAK was the only one on the podium without electronic lockout. And all of the racers with electronic lockout made the podium in both mens and womens elite races. 

I've heard from someone who was in Fort William, working alongside a couple Flight Attendant athletes and they're VERY stoked for the advantage that it gave them on that track, but they're not going to be publicly chalking their success up to tech, vs their riding. How much advantage it's giving the riders can be debated. I think it's VERY reasonable to suggest a savings of 1-2 seconds on that track. It's fair to say Vali doesn't win that race without it--she finished only 0.56 seconds up on Nina. 

Additionally, to the people who keep noting that all of the electronic lockout racers didn't hold all the fastest splits on the motorway: That's not the point. The point is, they maybe went a second faster than they would have without the lockout. Just because they have the lockout doesn't mean they automatically are the fastest on the motorway--it's not that much of a benefit haha. 

I'm going to guess the VAST majority of people in this forum have never raced XC at a high level and have been in a sprint and know the power loss of even un-locked 120mm of suspension. Every time we come to the final lap, we lock out the bike to save the 'half second' in the final short sprint to the line. It's noticeable. Can't imagine the savings on a 200mm bike with a coil shock. 

SteveClimber wrote:

Just so you know, you argument is invalid as you keep moving the goal posts.  First it's, lockouts saved so much time on the flat.  I...

Just so you know, you argument is invalid as you keep moving the goal posts. 

First it's, lockouts saved so much time on the flat. 

I referenced the actual timing of the athletes with lockout and the race timing and it's sector 2 that decided the race, followed by sector 3, sector 4 and 5 are both so short and the timings so close it didn't make the race at all. 

But now you make an argument that can't be disproven, that the athletes were faster than they would have been. Well maybe, we can't disprove that but again, sector 2 won the race. 

Nobody is doubting the gains that CAN be made by electronic lockout, but it's certainly not a game changer. But you can't make these sweeping arguments that the podium was stacked with them because of it, you can't prove it. 

 

I would argue it's no surprise that Specialised and Canyon riders are on the podium, they're two of the most professional teams with strict and efficient off seasons and new bikes at the cutting edge and track side timers to help them pick lines. Lockouts, maybe it helped, but the timings say it didn't actually matter. 

 

SteveClimber wrote:

Just so you know, you argument is invalid as you keep moving the goal posts.  First it's, lockouts saved so much time on the flat.  I...

Just so you know, you argument is invalid as you keep moving the goal posts. 

First it's, lockouts saved so much time on the flat. 

I referenced the actual timing of the athletes with lockout and the race timing and it's sector 2 that decided the race, followed by sector 3, sector 4 and 5 are both so short and the timings so close it didn't make the race at all. 

But now you make an argument that can't be disproven, that the athletes were faster than they would have been. Well maybe, we can't disprove that but again, sector 2 won the race. 

Nobody is doubting the gains that CAN be made by electronic lockout, but it's certainly not a game changer. But you can't make these sweeping arguments that the podium was stacked with them because of it, you can't prove it. 

 

I would argue it's no surprise that Specialised and Canyon riders are on the podium, they're two of the most professional teams with strict and efficient off seasons and new bikes at the cutting edge and track side timers to help them pick lines. Lockouts, maybe it helped, but the timings say it didn't actually matter. 

 

hamncheez2003 wrote:

Whats your thoughts on this: Tune your suspension only for sector 2, dial it there, don't compromise on anything else, then the buttons firm things up...

Whats your thoughts on this:

Tune your suspension only for sector 2, dial it there, don't compromise on anything else, then the buttons firm things up for the end of the track? Most others had to compromise between these two severely different parts of the track, slowing them down in sector 2?

earleb wrote:

The new Foes Sam Hill DH... My speculation is that Brent brings back the DHS Mono but with a normal sized shock. I have played around...

The new Foes Sam Hill DH...

My speculation is that Brent brings back the DHS Mono but with a normal sized shock.

I have played around with this linkage layout and it can provide a nice progressive LR without and crazy shapes to it.

I haven't listened to the podcast with Page and probably should but from the IG clip shared it had me thinking of interesting old Foes DH bikes.

 

Jacob_Richard wrote:

new front tire on richies rig?

Evil96 wrote:

New coil from fox it seems like, no electronic here, might be a new DHX2

New coil from fox it seems like, no electronic here, might be a new DHX2

threerockcomponents wrote:

New Marin from MBUK enduro bike test? Downtube storage and udh

New Marin from MBUK enduro bike test?

Downtube storage and udh

earleb wrote:

The new Foes Sam Hill DH... My speculation is that Brent brings back the DHS Mono but with a normal sized shock. I have played around...

The new Foes Sam Hill DH...

My speculation is that Brent brings back the DHS Mono but with a normal sized shock.

I have played around with this linkage layout and it can provide a nice progressive LR without and crazy shapes to it.

I haven't listened to the podcast with Page and probably should but from the IG clip shared it had me thinking of interesting old Foes DH bikes.

 

kperras wrote:

I wonder if anyone ever accidentally tried to thread a BB in the rear triangle's hollow brace...

threerockcomponents wrote:

New Marin from MBUK enduro bike test? Downtube storage and udh

New Marin from MBUK enduro bike test?

Downtube storage and udh

boozed wrote:

First the DH bike and now this, Marin's going Horst

Javi_NoFer11 wrote:

Looks like there's no new Stumpy for now... Charles Murray is racing the current Stumpy Evo in Finale Ligure. 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6wif2SsGW6/?igsh=bGEwYzgyNXA4MXUw