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Evil96
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5/2/2024 12:38pm
Might've just figured out the name of the new schwalbe assegai resembling tire. Oops my bad. Albert Gr___? Also looks like new schwalbe branding, not sure...

Might've just figured out the name of the new schwalbe assegai resembling tire. Oops my bad. Albert Gr___? Also looks like new schwalbe branding, not sure how to feel about that

where is this screenshot from?

kperras
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sspomer wrote:
PIT BITS video FROM FT BILL! vali's new YT TUES (didn't look like FA was on boxxer). craziest thing in it - martin maes running an...

PIT BITS video FROM FT BILL! vali's new YT TUES (didn't look like FA was on boxxer). craziest thing in it - martin maes running an orbea wild ebike without motor or battery! (sorry for yelling and !!!!...just stoked. vital fantasy should be up an rolling in an hour or two as well. rider list just came in)

 

 

If it were me, I'd be designing the BB cradle they attached to the motor mounts to be tuneable with weights. Adding 5lbs, maybe more, right at the BB would make the bike feel pretty incredible. Sprung/Unsprung mumbo jumbo.

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5/2/2024 12:48pm

It's just annoying at this point. We know the bike, so obviously it's something Ohlins shock-wise. Nobody else in the top 10 is sponsored by Ohlins which rules out rider competitiveness, and if it's tech that's found on MX or their other branches, it's not like it's not available for competitors to see and study already. I don't get why they've been covering this up for years and can't help but attribute my annoyance to Loic

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Onawalk
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5/2/2024 1:12pm
Onawalk wrote:

@Primoz

Of note, "Gamux machine the Sego DH frame from 7075 T6 aluminum, and then bond in carbon fiber sections to fine tune stiffness"

https://www.pinkbike.com/photo/26585144/

Primoz wrote:

Which flavour of the hat do I have to eat this time? Smile

I just think its pretty cool really.

5/2/2024 1:14pm
sspomer wrote:
unmasked canyon DH bike from ft bill pits washing area

unmasked canyon DH bike from ft bill pits washing area

As far as I can tell that layout is just a slightly reworked Antidote Darkmatter (HSP, concentric axle pivot, concentric BB rocker link). Looks seriously fast.

Well I was definitely a little off -the BB link drives another rocker that drives the shock (sort of like a flipped Knolly 4x4). The other site's got the diagram covered already thanks to Matt Beer.

photo

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5/2/2024 1:47pm
bnsleit wrote:
It's just annoying at this point. We know the bike, so obviously it's something Ohlins shock-wise. Nobody else in the top 10 is sponsored by Ohlins...

It's just annoying at this point. We know the bike, so obviously it's something Ohlins shock-wise. Nobody else in the top 10 is sponsored by Ohlins which rules out rider competitiveness, and if it's tech that's found on MX or their other branches, it's not like it's not available for competitors to see and study already. I don't get why they've been covering this up for years and can't help but attribute my annoyance to Loic

Do you actually think Loic is the person who decided the shock should be covered?

I remember a post on here around the end of last season where someone described what he saw when the cover was removed. I think they said there was a small motor that adjusted the shock preload. 

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5/2/2024 1:56pm
Do you actually think Loic is the person who decided the shock should be covered? I remember a post on here around the end of last...

Do you actually think Loic is the person who decided the shock should be covered?

I remember a post on here around the end of last season where someone described what he saw when the cover was removed. I think they said there was a small motor that adjusted the shock preload. 

Looking like that, I think the cover must be there for some other porpoise.

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5/2/2024 2:05pm

Good job the track isn’t mega high speed where covering lumpy bits of your bike in plastic would give you an aero advantage 

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Suns_PSD
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5/2/2024 2:41pm

I downvoted you to keep the 69 upvotes intact.

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lukegordon
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5/2/2024 2:44pm

The jersey and pants/vest are two different pieces. I don't see how you think it's a one-piece suit.

TEAMROBOT wrote:
I don't think it's a one-piece suit, I think it's a skin suit. The word "suit" doesn't mean one-piece, it means that all the pieces of...

I don't think it's a one-piece suit, I think it's a skin suit. The word "suit" doesn't mean one-piece, it means that all the pieces of a garment form one unit of garment. For instance, a men's formal suit can be a two-piece suit (slacks and jacket) or a three-piece suit (slacks, jacket, and vest). One suit comprises multiple pieces.

The UCI rule bans "jerseys designed for road cycling, skinsuits, or one-piece suits" The key word here is "or." "Or" means that any one of those three things are banned. Is it a road jersey? No. Is it a one-piece suit? No. Is it a skin suit? I think it is. It's clearly designed as a system. And seeing as the suit is clearly designed to be skin tight and reduce aerodynamic drag, it's a skin suit. 

And to be clear, my beef isn't with skin suits in downhill, it's with rules. Either enforce the rule or get rid of the rule. It would be lame if the UCI allows the allegedly-not-a-skin-suit skin suit for round one, it has a big impact on results and standings for the series, and then they react and ban it for the rest of the year. The first race is going to have an asterisk on results for the rest of time, which is a little unfair for everybody who worked hard to be there.

Its not a skinsuit, just because they list one piece clothing separately doesn't mean that a skinsuit isn't one piece also, things can fit in multiple categories at a time, Skinsuit = Road bike clothing, Skinsuit & One piece clothing. The seperate mention of one piece clothing here is included for things like dirtsuits.

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5/2/2024 2:45pm
Well I was definitely a little off -the BB link drives another rocker that drives the shock (sort of like a flipped Knolly 4x4). The other...

Well I was definitely a little off -the BB link drives another rocker that drives the shock (sort of like a flipped Knolly 4x4). The other site's got the diagram covered already thanks to Matt Beer.

photo

Does someone want to go back and find my post where I predicted that this was going to be the same as the Norco, but with the ABP?

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Sesame Seed
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5/2/2024 3:17pm Edited Date/Time 5/2/2024 3:17pm
lukegordon wrote:
Its not a skinsuit, just because they list one piece clothing separately doesn't mean that a skinsuit isn't one piece also, things can fit in multiple...

Its not a skinsuit, just because they list one piece clothing separately doesn't mean that a skinsuit isn't one piece also, things can fit in multiple categories at a time, Skinsuit = Road bike clothing, Skinsuit & One piece clothing. The seperate mention of one piece clothing here is included for things like dirtsuits.

Skin Suit ≠ Road Bike Clothing.

A skin suit is... just that.  No Zipper, no hem-line, no features normal to cycling attire.  

Skin Suits are currently prohibited in UCI Road Cycling.  

'Dirtsuits' - can someone autocorrect this weird bowl of Cheerios??

 

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Cube

Whyyyy does Cube do this? Whats the point of a horst link if you're just adding a floating brake?

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lukegordon
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5/2/2024 3:35pm Edited Date/Time 5/2/2024 3:36pm
lukegordon wrote:
Its not a skinsuit, just because they list one piece clothing separately doesn't mean that a skinsuit isn't one piece also, things can fit in multiple...

Its not a skinsuit, just because they list one piece clothing separately doesn't mean that a skinsuit isn't one piece also, things can fit in multiple categories at a time, Skinsuit = Road bike clothing, Skinsuit & One piece clothing. The seperate mention of one piece clothing here is included for things like dirtsuits.

Skin Suit ≠ Road Bike Clothing. A skin suit is... just that.  No Zipper, no hem-line, no features normal to cycling attire.   Skin Suits are currently...

Skin Suit ≠ Road Bike Clothing.

A skin suit is... just that.  No Zipper, no hem-line, no features normal to cycling attire.  

Skin Suits are currently prohibited in UCI Road Cycling.  

'Dirtsuits' - can someone autocorrect this weird bowl of Cheerios??

 

Time trials fall under road cycling by the UCI, and skinsuits are most definitely not banned for them.

For the wetter areas of the world, dirtsuits are onesies for mountain biking to shield you from...dirt.

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RaggedEdge
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5/2/2024 3:53pm

Anybody know anything about the e*Thirteen Sidekick hub? Sounds like some interesting tech. 

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Sesame Seed
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5/2/2024 4:34pm
lukegordon wrote:
Time trials fall under road cycling by the UCI, and skinsuits are most definitely not banned for them. For the wetter areas of the world, dirtsuits...

Time trials fall under road cycling by the UCI, and skinsuits are most definitely not banned for them.

For the wetter areas of the world, dirtsuits are onesies for mountain biking to shield you from...dirt.

Then you obviously should have said TT instead of 'Road' because your statement still stands as incorrect.  

 

1llumA
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5/2/2024 6:05pm
lukegordon wrote:
Its not a skinsuit, just because they list one piece clothing separately doesn't mean that a skinsuit isn't one piece also, things can fit in multiple...

Its not a skinsuit, just because they list one piece clothing separately doesn't mean that a skinsuit isn't one piece also, things can fit in multiple categories at a time, Skinsuit = Road bike clothing, Skinsuit & One piece clothing. The seperate mention of one piece clothing here is included for things like dirtsuits.

Skin Suit ≠ Road Bike Clothing. A skin suit is... just that.  No Zipper, no hem-line, no features normal to cycling attire.   Skin Suits are currently...

Skin Suit ≠ Road Bike Clothing.

A skin suit is... just that.  No Zipper, no hem-line, no features normal to cycling attire.  

Skin Suits are currently prohibited in UCI Road Cycling.  

'Dirtsuits' - can someone autocorrect this weird bowl of Cheerios??

 

Your definition of a skin suit is not the one that the UCI uses.

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/uiBDxv2acF57DHFDiiw98Y-1200-80.jpg

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/tRCByVD7LPm7u7C6fvkRnj-1200-80.jpg

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/igLu8droGTQx39pPELNdvk-1200-80.jpg

These are all examples of what the UCI consider to be a skinsuit and are legal in Road/TT/Track races.

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5/2/2024 6:51pm

This forum is FIRING and I am so happy for it. 

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Note to Moderators:  please delete my Account.

K? Thnx

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Uncle Cliffy
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5/2/2024 7:34pm

All this pajama talk and nobody has posted this yet?
 

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lukegordon
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5/2/2024 7:42pm
lukegordon wrote:
Time trials fall under road cycling by the UCI, and skinsuits are most definitely not banned for them. For the wetter areas of the world, dirtsuits...

Time trials fall under road cycling by the UCI, and skinsuits are most definitely not banned for them.

For the wetter areas of the world, dirtsuits are onesies for mountain biking to shield you from...dirt.

Then you obviously should have said TT instead of 'Road' because your statement still stands as incorrect.  

 

How does it stand incorrect? My statement was that Skinsuits are road cycling attire, TT is categorised as road cycling by the UCI, so skinsuits are road cycling attire.

Just because something exists in a subcategory doesn't make it not part of the parent category.

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Big Bird
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5/2/2024 7:46pm

Can we get to page 600 already? I want to party!

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5/2/2024 7:48pm Edited Date/Time 5/3/2024 12:08am
RaggedEdge wrote:

Anybody know anything about the e*Thirteen Sidekick hub? Sounds like some interesting tech. 

Haven't heard anything officially, but I'm curious too. Seems like it could be similar to how a free coaster works, where a mechanism disengages once spinning to allow a built-in amount of slack, but that's just a guess. 

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Big Bird wrote:

Can we get to page 600 already? I want to party!

When we get to page 666 Im going to give everyone a little bit of hell and start asking questions about tire treads, brake modulation, brake pads, calipers, ebike battery specs. All of it. Evil

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Big Bird wrote:

Can we get to page 600 already? I want to party!

When we get to page 666 Im going to give everyone a little bit of hell and start asking questions about tire treads, brake modulation, brake...

When we get to page 666 Im going to give everyone a little bit of hell and start asking questions about tire treads, brake modulation, brake pads, calipers, ebike battery specs. All of it. Evil

Amazeballs

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5/2/2024 10:15pm
Do you actually think Loic is the person who decided the shock should be covered? I remember a post on here around the end of last...

Do you actually think Loic is the person who decided the shock should be covered?

I remember a post on here around the end of last season where someone described what he saw when the cover was removed. I think they said there was a small motor that adjusted the shock preload. 

Looking like that, I think the cover must be there for some other porpoise.

I think that might be Fin’s bike.

 

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Primoz
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5/2/2024 10:47pm
Onawalk wrote:

@Primoz

Of note, "Gamux machine the Sego DH frame from 7075 T6 aluminum, and then bond in carbon fiber sections to fine tune stiffness"

https://www.pinkbike.com/photo/26585144/

Primoz wrote:

Which flavour of the hat do I have to eat this time? Smile

Onawalk wrote:

I just think its pretty cool really.

Ah, yeah, looks like stiffness tuning is the next area of gains for mountain bikes. Lew Buchanan posted this the other day (not sure if I didn't get it here actually, forgot where I got the link from, sorry): https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6Jfh2utF8t/

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