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Looking at Sea Otter coverage & other recent product announcements, high-flow tubeless valves seem to be this year's "We made one too!" product.

It also seems like the coverage reflected the technology plateau the industry is in right now. I can’t think of anything innovative being shown, but I might have missed it. 

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Don't know if they made it out of the testing stage, but the Enves I saw last year were single wall moto style rims like Zipp...

Don't know if they made it out of the testing stage, but the Enves I saw last year were single wall moto style rims like Zipp. For sure not stiff.

That's the first thing I thought when I saw those, the profile looks similar to the Zipp rims. IIRC Zipp beds the spokes uniquely as well to allow more movement. I hate giving SRAM money after they've shafted me on warranty claims in the past, so it'd be tempting if they could get the same level of compliance.

It might also be interesting to see if they do a different front and rear profile. Zipp sells a different front/rear rim, the impression I hear from riders is the front is really good, but the rear can be a bit vague if you really push into berms. It'll be interesting to see if they keep the same profile front/rear or do them uniquely. 

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4/21/2024 6:48pm

Looking at Sea Otter coverage & other recent product announcements, high-flow tubeless valves seem to be this year's "We made one too!" product.

It also seems like the coverage reflected the technology plateau the industry is in right now. I can’t think of anything innovative being shown, but I...

It also seems like the coverage reflected the technology plateau the industry is in right now. I can’t think of anything innovative being shown, but I might have missed it. 

Seriously. We are in an era of mountain biking where tech innovations are definitely in the micro advancements instead of macro. Unless if its on the race course, its usually kept a well secret for the most part. Cannondale and Specialize need to give their RnD teams some special powders to create some unique bikes or suspension ideas like brain or what ever it was Specialized did. 

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4/21/2024 6:59pm

The ext prototype was surprising.  Was not expecting usd.

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4/22/2024 1:20am

The ext prototype was surprising.  Was not expecting usd.

Well after the Ferro was released I suppose there wasn't such a long way to get to a DH-specd fork. 

 

Anyway, as we're talking about USD forks...

If someone from Manitou can hear my screams behind my screen: WHERE IS THE DORADO SC

...thank you.

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4/22/2024 3:16am
Don't know if they made it out of the testing stage, but the Enves I saw last year were single wall moto style rims like Zipp...

Don't know if they made it out of the testing stage, but the Enves I saw last year were single wall moto style rims like Zipp. For sure not stiff.

Shinook wrote:
That's the first thing I thought when I saw those, the profile looks similar to the Zipp rims. IIRC Zipp beds the spokes uniquely as well...

That's the first thing I thought when I saw those, the profile looks similar to the Zipp rims. IIRC Zipp beds the spokes uniquely as well to allow more movement. I hate giving SRAM money after they've shafted me on warranty claims in the past, so it'd be tempting if they could get the same level of compliance.

It might also be interesting to see if they do a different front and rear profile. Zipp sells a different front/rear rim, the impression I hear from riders is the front is really good, but the rear can be a bit vague if you really push into berms. It'll be interesting to see if they keep the same profile front/rear or do them uniquely. 

You're allowed to choose different rims for the different ends of your bike. 

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4/22/2024 3:29am

Looking at Sea Otter coverage & other recent product announcements, high-flow tubeless valves seem to be this year's "We made one too!" product.

It also seems like the coverage reflected the technology plateau the industry is in right now. I can’t think of anything innovative being shown, but I...

It also seems like the coverage reflected the technology plateau the industry is in right now. I can’t think of anything innovative being shown, but I might have missed it. 

I think it’s very much based on the economic place the industry is in.
 But I know its not a new new innovation but the fact there was 4 companies using bonded frames in mountain bikes is pretty cool to see. And Fox electronic shock with wireless remote was cool.

But yes, as I look back I’m having a hard time thinking of crazy innovations.

 

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4/22/2024 6:19am Edited Date/Time 4/22/2024 6:20am
Evil96 wrote:
New Enves should be on their way, let's see if they stick to the stiff like a brick or they changed like everyone else

New Enves should be on their way, let's see if they stick to the stiff like a brick or they changed like everyone else

I found a high end pair of Enves laced to DT swiss 240s for $300 used, because they were non-boost! Slapped a $20 adapter on them. 

Since we switched to Boost for the "stiffness gains modern 29er bikes require", and Enves are too stiff, this should set things right! (I wish/hope)

I haven't ridden them much yet as the snow is just starting to  receed. 

PS whatever happened to those Crank Bros wheelsets? The front was single wall, the back was a shallow traditional, double wall.

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Whats about the super secret black smoking tent freom propain at seaotter? They must got some dope product.  

Whats about the super secret black smoking tent freom propain at seaotter? They must got some dope product.

 

Sram has Black Box, Propain has Hot Box..

well, Saturday was 4/20. 

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New Troy ?

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Don't know if they made it out of the testing stage, but the Enves I saw last year were single wall moto style rims like Zipp...

Don't know if they made it out of the testing stage, but the Enves I saw last year were single wall moto style rims like Zipp. For sure not stiff.

Shinook wrote:
That's the first thing I thought when I saw those, the profile looks similar to the Zipp rims. IIRC Zipp beds the spokes uniquely as well...

That's the first thing I thought when I saw those, the profile looks similar to the Zipp rims. IIRC Zipp beds the spokes uniquely as well to allow more movement. I hate giving SRAM money after they've shafted me on warranty claims in the past, so it'd be tempting if they could get the same level of compliance.

It might also be interesting to see if they do a different front and rear profile. Zipp sells a different front/rear rim, the impression I hear from riders is the front is really good, but the rear can be a bit vague if you really push into berms. It'll be interesting to see if they keep the same profile front/rear or do them uniquely. 

You're allowed to choose different rims for the different ends of your bike. 

Yes, I'm aware. I've debated on doing this for my next build with the Zipp and using a 3Zero front w/ a WAO Triad rear, but I'm kinda interested to see what Enve cranks out first. 

The reason I'm curious to see if they do this is that it makes more sense from a business/sales perspective to offer the same lineup with different fronts and rears, especially if people are buying them as an already built set. I expect not doing this is more problematic for Zipp since they don't have the wide rim lineup that Enve does for mtb, but not everyone does custom builds and some just want to buy something already laced up. 

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4/22/2024 9:33am Edited Date/Time 4/22/2024 9:33am
1llumA wrote:

Looks like the Michelin DH16 is finally available with some update to the DH22 casing and compound.

https://bikerumor.com/2024-michelin-mtb-tires/

Ah yes, the Michelin DerKaiserH16.. Grinning

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Dave113 wrote:
Maxxis DC is horrific on some surfaces. If you want a long wearing durable tire look at Conti DH casing soft, it'll be way better than...

Maxxis DC is horrific on some surfaces. If you want a long wearing durable tire look at Conti DH casing soft, it'll be way better than Maxxis DC. 

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Honest question, what surfaces are you having problems with on Maxxis DC tires? I've been running a Maxxgrip front/DC rear combo for years on in Oregon...

Honest question, what surfaces are you having problems with on Maxxis DC tires? I've been running a Maxxgrip front/DC rear combo for years on in Oregon, Washington, BC, California, Arizona, and Idaho in the sun and rain and haven't had any problems with it as a rear tire*. For a downhill race I'd switch to a Maxxgrip rear for just a little more grip and damping over chatter, but it's not like the bike was unridable with the harder rear tire.

*Of course, dual compound tires should never, ever, ever be mounted as a front tire

I've run an Maxxis Assegai Exo DC on the front for years with cushcore and love it! Super grip due to low pressure and the tyre lasts over a year!

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4/22/2024 11:16am
junkbox wrote:
Ah yes, the Michelin DerKaiserH16.. 

Ah yes, the Michelin DerKaiserH16.. Grinning

This tire is from a design that is probably older than you. Before the DHF was even a thing, a lot of us in here ran this tire and it was awesome. Except for when the side lugs used to tear super easy, but hopefully they fixed that.

 

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4/22/2024 1:25pm Edited Date/Time 4/23/2024 12:31pm
junkbox wrote:
Ah yes, the Michelin DerKaiserH16.. 

Ah yes, the Michelin DerKaiserH16.. Grinning

This tire is from a design that is probably older than you. Before the DHF was even a thing, a lot of us in here ran...

This tire is from a design that is probably older than you. Before the DHF was even a thing, a lot of us in here ran this tire and it was awesome. Except for when the side lugs used to tear super easy, but hopefully they fixed that.

 

...from a time when Continental was not even a (good) thing in MTB.

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4/22/2024 1:27pm

New enduro in time for the EDR premiere? Or how do ya´ll interpret Charlie Murray´s latest IG post?

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4/22/2024 1:34pm Edited Date/Time 4/22/2024 1:41pm

New enduro in time for the EDR premiere? Or how do ya´ll interpret Charlie Murray´s latest IG post?

Bet it’s the new stumpy. Heard summer release and it will come with a new “special” shock
 

Also heard enduro going HP and later this year early next year release 

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4/22/2024 1:51pm

Can someone post Murray’s post?

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4/22/2024 1:55pm Edited Date/Time 4/22/2024 1:56pm

As I'm curious about the new stumpy, I took a screen grab of his most recent video.  IT doesn't look different than the current stumpy, but hard to say.  

And here is the instagram post referenced. "It’s almost time for a new bike for the 2024 race season but I’ll always have a soft spot for this beautiful thing" with a picture of the current stumpy https://www.instagram.com/p/C6ECVXosS4p/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

 

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4/22/2024 2:00pm
1llumA wrote:

Looks like the Michelin DH16 is finally available with some update to the DH22 casing and compound.

https://bikerumor.com/2024-michelin-mtb-tires/

junkbox wrote:
Ah yes, the Michelin DerKaiserH16.. 

Ah yes, the Michelin DerKaiserH16.. Grinning

Looks nothing like a kaiser

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4/22/2024 2:28pm
Ernst_ wrote:
Whats about the super secret black smoking tent freom propain at seaotter? They must got some dope product.  

Whats about the super secret black smoking tent freom propain at seaotter? They must got some dope product.

 

GMBN has a video in which they blur out R. Payne's bike at the 24-hour Old Pueblo race in Tucson. Maybe it's a proper XC bike.

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4/22/2024 2:30pm

The ext prototype was surprising.  Was not expecting usd.

Nico_Hrndz wrote:
Well after the Ferro was released I suppose there wasn't such a long way to get to a DH-specd fork.    Anyway, as we're talking about...

Well after the Ferro was released I suppose there wasn't such a long way to get to a DH-specd fork. 

 

Anyway, as we're talking about USD forks...

If someone from Manitou can hear my screams behind my screen: WHERE IS THE DORADO SC

...thank you.

Isn't that what the Mezzer Pro supposed to be? It has 37mm stanchions and Dorado damper. 

4/22/2024 3:37pm
jasbushey wrote:
As I'm curious about the new stumpy, I took a screen grab of his most recent video.  IT doesn't look different than the current stumpy, but...

As I'm curious about the new stumpy, I took a screen grab of his most recent video.  IT doesn't look different than the current stumpy, but hard to say.  

And here is the instagram post referenced. "It’s almost time for a new bike for the 2024 race season but I’ll always have a soft spot for this beautiful thing" with a picture of the current stumpy https://www.instagram.com/p/C6ECVXosS4p/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

 

That is not the new Stumpy. It's going to lose the side arm like the current version. Like the Levo SL, which is basically the new Stumpjumper. 


Specialized is in a bind with the Stumpjumper EVO as they still have more stock to clear out, which is why the new model has been done and not released for over a year. 
 

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4/22/2024 7:37pm Edited Date/Time 4/22/2024 7:41pm

New 2025 Stumpy (a couple of versions – Comp, Exper, Pro including Ohlins build) sort of leaked on one website, but no photos yet. 

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4/22/2024 10:33pm
Kusa wrote:
New 2025 Stumpy (a couple of versions – Comp, Exper, Pro including Ohlins build) sort of leaked on one website, but no photos yet. 

New 2025 Stumpy (a couple of versions – Comp, Exper, Pro including Ohlins build) sort of leaked on one website, but no photos yet. 

Translation: Delivery time: Available from June 8th, 2024. 
First EWS is May 10-12 so it will for sure have to break cover there under Murray (I'm sure there will be spy shots before). New Enduro was supposed to be out before the new Stumpy, but as I've said a few times, they went back to the drawing board to copy the prototype Demo so it got delayed.  

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4/23/2024 12:22am
junkbox wrote:
Ah yes, the Michelin DerKaiserH16.. 

Ah yes, the Michelin DerKaiserH16.. Grinning

This tire is from a design that is probably older than you. Before the DHF was even a thing, a lot of us in here ran...

This tire is from a design that is probably older than you. Before the DHF was even a thing, a lot of us in here ran this tire and it was awesome. Except for when the side lugs used to tear super easy, but hopefully they fixed that.

 

Wasn't it stock on V1 Big Hits? 

(This bike... 26/24 mullet and w/ the bigger linkage, up to 3' tires -damn I need to get one)

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4/23/2024 12:27am
Puneta wrote:

Isn't that what the Mezzer Pro supposed to be? It has 37mm stanchions and Dorado damper. 

It does have the cartridge indeed... but even if I'm sold on their 37mm stanchions and reverse arch design: it is still not a Dorado

(as you may imagine I'm lying on the floor and crying like a 3-year old)

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