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dolface
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3/16/2024 1:58pm

Yep, but I guess a marble is still required, even if alignment will be a lot easier.

Is "marble" a technical term in this context, or a typo?

3/16/2024 2:09pm

Yep, but I guess a marble is still required, even if alignment will be a lot easier.

dolface wrote:

Is "marble" a technical term in this context, or a typo?

It's the name in French, I translated it and just found out the real name's "frame jig".

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3/16/2024 3:33pm Edited Date/Time 3/16/2024 3:35pm

Yep, but I guess a marble is still required, even if alignment will be a lot easier.

dolface wrote:

Is "marble" a technical term in this context, or a typo?

Generally alignment fixtures and measuring equipment are placed on a large precision ground slab on a precision adjustable fixture.

I've never checked if the one in my office is made of marble or another type of stone.

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RaggedEdge wrote:
That is one of the best looking frames I have ever seen. Neko & Frameworks are hands down the coolest thing happening in MTBing right now...

That is one of the best looking frames I have ever seen. Neko & Frameworks are hands down the coolest thing happening in MTBing right now. More vids!

IMG 0350The Frameworks DH bike blows away any DH bike I have tried. I was very happy with the Phoenix and I’m a huge fan of Pivot in general. Unfortunately it isn’t comparable.  The Frameworks bike, even though I set it up as a hybrid Enduro bike, is night and day better. 
 

 

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RaggedEdge wrote:
That is one of the best looking frames I have ever seen. Neko & Frameworks are hands down the coolest thing happening in MTBing right now...

That is one of the best looking frames I have ever seen. Neko & Frameworks are hands down the coolest thing happening in MTBing right now. More vids!

az2au wrote:
The Frameworks DH bike blows away any DH bike I have tried. I was very happy with the Phoenix and I’m a huge fan of Pivot...

IMG 0350The Frameworks DH bike blows away any DH bike I have tried. I was very happy with the Phoenix and I’m a huge fan of Pivot in general. Unfortunately it isn’t comparable.  The Frameworks bike, even though I set it up as a hybrid Enduro bike, is night and day better. 
 

 

What did you like so much about it if you don't mind me asking? 

Nico's videos pretty much sold me on buying ochains for my longer travel bikes, that's for sure.

Also, any thoughts on the lever feel of those brakes? 

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RaggedEdge wrote:
That is one of the best looking frames I have ever seen. Neko & Frameworks are hands down the coolest thing happening in MTBing right now...

That is one of the best looking frames I have ever seen. Neko & Frameworks are hands down the coolest thing happening in MTBing right now. More vids!

az2au wrote:
The Frameworks DH bike blows away any DH bike I have tried. I was very happy with the Phoenix and I’m a huge fan of Pivot...

IMG 0350The Frameworks DH bike blows away any DH bike I have tried. I was very happy with the Phoenix and I’m a huge fan of Pivot in general. Unfortunately it isn’t comparable.  The Frameworks bike, even though I set it up as a hybrid Enduro bike, is night and day better. 
 

 

DServy wrote:
What did you like so much about it if you don't mind me asking?  Nico's videos pretty much sold me on buying ochains for my longer...

What did you like so much about it if you don't mind me asking? 

Nico's videos pretty much sold me on buying ochains for my longer travel bikes, that's for sure.

Also, any thoughts on the lever feel of those brakes? 

I don’t know how to describe it other than saying it floats over all but the most extreme chunk. I’ve said this to multiple people and it sounds ridiculous but it is almost too good in that it eats up bumps so well that I was going so fast that it was hard to hold my line. 
 

I had planned to set it up with an Ochain and in true downhill fashion but realized that it was unlikely that I’d get a chance to use it for a few months if I did. That’s why I went with the extra parts I had in my garage. 
 

I’ve been using Trickstuff brakes on all of my bikes for a while now. Piccolas on my XC bike, Diretissima’s on a few trail bikes and Maximas on this one and my Firebird. I’m probably not the best judge on lever feel for that reason but I love how they feel. 
 

FWiW, I’d also say that Neko and Logan have been amazing from a customer service standpoint. I went from being a fan of his riding to an advocate because I truly believe that they truly want everyone to have the best experience possible using what they’ve designed. 

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Bernard Kerr just snapped the front off of his prototype Pivot at Crankworks. I couldn't see if it was the lug or the carbon.

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3/16/2024 10:09pm
Big Bird wrote:

Bernard Kerr just snapped the front off of his prototype Pivot at Crankworks. I couldn't see if it was the lug or the carbon.

photo looks like epoxy failure between the two materials

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Big Bird wrote:

Bernard Kerr just snapped the front off of his prototype Pivot at Crankworks. I couldn't see if it was the lug or the carbon.

Snapped near the head tube. Tried to triple some jumps but came up short, 50/50'd the landing. Bummed to see that. I was really hoping for him to do well here. 

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3/16/2024 10:27pm Edited Date/Time 3/16/2024 10:32pm

Yep, but I guess a marble is still required, even if alignment will be a lot easier.

dolface wrote:

Is "marble" a technical term in this context, or a typo?

Generally alignment fixtures and measuring equipment are placed on a large precision ground slab on a precision adjustable fixture. I've never checked if the one in...

Generally alignment fixtures and measuring equipment are placed on a large precision ground slab on a precision adjustable fixture.

I've never checked if the one in my office is made of marble or another type of stone.

Granite, I would expect.  Marble is too soft and chemically reactive.

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It's usually granite yes. 

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az2au wrote:
The Frameworks DH bike blows away any DH bike I have tried. I was very happy with the Phoenix and I’m a huge fan of Pivot...

IMG 0350The Frameworks DH bike blows away any DH bike I have tried. I was very happy with the Phoenix and I’m a huge fan of Pivot in general. Unfortunately it isn’t comparable.  The Frameworks bike, even though I set it up as a hybrid Enduro bike, is night and day better. 
 

 

Damn, this build is so sick!!! I would love to try one.

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Image 17-03-2024 at 12.09.jpeg?VersionId=qaNEVy8ZfjfmzZOKuRNZE0PPQKFC4Z
Pic of BKs bike for anyone that didn’t see the replay

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TimBud wrote:
Pic of BKs bike for anyone that didn’t see the replay

Image 17-03-2024 at 12.09.jpeg?VersionId=qaNEVy8ZfjfmzZOKuRNZE0PPQKFC4Z
Pic of BKs bike for anyone that didn’t see the replay

There are videos on insta which show the frame close-up. Looks like a de-bond, the curved section is intact and full of dirt. Hopefully no serious injuries, nightmare crash.

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TimBud wrote:
Pic of BKs bike for anyone that didn’t see the replay

Image 17-03-2024 at 12.09.jpeg?VersionId=qaNEVy8ZfjfmzZOKuRNZE0PPQKFC4Z
Pic of BKs bike for anyone that didn’t see the replay

Ah. Just needs some Gorilla Glue and he will be back at the next race no problem. 

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3/17/2024 7:55am Edited Date/Time 3/17/2024 7:56am

More info on the Atherton A-170 here:

https://www.athertonbikes.com/aluminium-atherton
7075! Which is quite good, apparently 

 

Oh and Gee on one that has Trickstuff brakes on it:

 

 

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TimBud wrote:
Pic of BKs bike for anyone that didn’t see the replay

Image 17-03-2024 at 12.09.jpeg?VersionId=qaNEVy8ZfjfmzZOKuRNZE0PPQKFC4Z
Pic of BKs bike for anyone that didn’t see the replay

Thanks!

Didn't watch - was this one of those impacts that would've broken any bike no matter how its was constructed? I heard it was a cased triple attempt.

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Krispy
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3/17/2024 9:04am

IMG 4001

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Krispy
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Perhaps Pivot would benefit from the double lap shear design that Atherton uses.

Think this is the same frame he’s been on for a year now? That’s a lot of laps.

 

BTW I’m a Pivot fan and a big fan of bonded frames.

Wonder if the curved downtube is needed for assembly? Seems like it would be harder to pull apart if the tubes were angled apart.

I love being an internet engineer 😜

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3/17/2024 9:16am

It would have been an interesting situation if it happened during quali.

Would Pivot  recalled the other proto and put their team on the old frame.. not a good look for the proto, but putting their athlete at risk is not a good look for the team either.

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nskerb
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3/17/2024 9:17am
TimBud wrote:
Pic of BKs bike for anyone that didn’t see the replay

Image 17-03-2024 at 12.09.jpeg?VersionId=qaNEVy8ZfjfmzZOKuRNZE0PPQKFC4Z
Pic of BKs bike for anyone that didn’t see the replay

So the tube pulled out of the lug? 
that screenshot is hilarious lol.

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3/17/2024 9:38am

Ah. Just needs some Gorilla Glue and he will be back at the next race no problem. 

IMG 6717

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With how all the epoxy has stuck to the carbon tube, I would have to assume the epoxy failed due to galvanic corrosion which is one of the bigger benefits of using titanium and carbon or aluminum and aluminum such as Atherton are doing. With proper isolation of the aluminum with anodizing or plating then an even glue line with bond spacers a joint shouldn't fail within a year. Those epoxies are strong as hell. Maybe they need to revisit the length of lap the are using.

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3/17/2024 11:01am
TimBud wrote:
More info on the Atherton A-170 here: https://www.athertonbikes.com/aluminium-atherton 7075! Which is quite good, apparently    Oh and Gee on one that has Trickstuff brakes on it:...

More info on the Atherton A-170 here:

https://www.athertonbikes.com/aluminium-atherton
7075! Which is quite good, apparently 

 

Oh and Gee on one that has Trickstuff brakes on it:

 

 

Good to see they're sticking with double lapped lugs on the new frame.

I'm glad the mentioned forging, I was wondering if you could cast the parts and then machine the surfaces after, but I guess getting quality high resolution casts is such a niche thing anyway it was probably just as expensive for lower quality 

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iRider
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3/17/2024 11:17am

Loam Wolf video of Pivot proto manufacturing.

 

 

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3/17/2024 11:36am Edited Date/Time 3/17/2024 5:17pm

rocky undercover at the windrock enduro

sockymtn

RockyCover1.jpg?VersionId=wzf6cakE09

RockyCover2

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3/17/2024 11:37am
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4m30HqtdLk/?igsh=MzY1NDJmNzMyNQ==   best angle I’ve seen of it. Watching it live the case didn’t seem that bad, however from this angle, maybe not every bike would...

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4m30HqtdLk/?igsh=MzY1NDJmNzMyNQ==

 

best angle I’ve seen of it. Watching it live the case didn’t seem that bad, however from this angle, maybe not every bike would have snapped, but it was a pretty big impact. 

If you watch this closely, his front wheels squirms in a real weird way right before he pulls. Maybe a rut or mud, but kinda looks maybe it was going before that case. 

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sspomer wrote:
rocky undercover at the windrock enduro

rocky undercover at the windrock enduro

sockymtn

RockyCover1.jpg?VersionId=wzf6cakE09

RockyCover2

Socky Mountain 

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3/17/2024 11:42am
TimBud wrote:
Pic of BKs bike for anyone that didn’t see the replay

Image 17-03-2024 at 12.09.jpeg?VersionId=qaNEVy8ZfjfmzZOKuRNZE0PPQKFC4Z
Pic of BKs bike for anyone that didn’t see the replay

nskerb wrote:

So the tube pulled out of the lug? 
that screenshot is hilarious lol.

New pullout king on the scene

 

 

 

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