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To distract us from the headset cable routing.
realized the derailment and i started a thread about it here instead - https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/why-do-high-end-integrated-mtb-bars…
That's where sintering printed parts comes in. Gotta clear up those miniscule voids in the printed components. By how clean that headtube looks I wonder if is forged then machined.
Grouchy old Peter Verdone has opinions on printed metal... Not encouraging ones.
Ok how is PVD still so relevant? Did I miss something back in the day when this guy was the chosen one. I mean he has cool ideas, but why do we believe him so much again.
We don’t.
Unfortunately not entirely accurate.
can’t say to much but significantly less price and all mountain to enduro travel range. Also not 39mm lowers.
The man is still claiming short chainstays, slack seat angles and steep head angles are the future and ride better...lol
A lot of his opinions are unorthodox and weird. On the other hand, he actually walks the walk with his opinions: he builds what he wants, frequently from scratch and/or with extensive modification of existing components, and he rides what he builds. I can't help but respect the commitment. Lots of people talk about what kind of bike they want; far fewer make that kind of effort to create it.
Relevant? IDK. Interesting to observe? Often.
because they wanted to build an 100% stupid bike
Nah, You started it here
You can make it lighter, it looks great (IMO), you can "tune" it for desired outcomes, and make it much shorter than a traditional stem and h-bar.
I dont run one, and dont want one, but even a dullard like me can see the benefits, even if it has drawbacks
Can we wager on it?
like points for how many items I got correct vs incorrect, if I'm victorious you buy me a 6pack of American pond water?
Spomer, can we get a sarcasm font so theres no mistaking whats being written?
Try this formatting:
<sarcasm> </sarcasm>
🙄
New grip coming?
Fox was having riders test a new damper last year. Maybe updated grip 2 (grip 3?) and trickling down the old grip 2?
If my memory serves vaguely right, Taj or Jordi mentioned in a Dialed video that there was gonna be a drop-in upgrade for the Grip Dampener. When they were doing bike checks, Taj mentioned he was running the new dampener.
Is it time for an all-new fork design? Even if it was, companies like Fox and SRAM are sitting on mountains of products. It's getting to the point where some manufacturers are actually considering scrapping existing inventory to make way for new stuff. Sad really.
Updated 2024 damper specs are on the Fox site:
https://www.ridefox.com/fox17/help.php?m=bike&id=2880
Whatever it is, I'm glad it can be dropped into a Marzocchi (assuming that isn't also a new chassis that isn't backwards-compatible for some reason).
I wouldn't be surprised if they are getting rid of all the old Grip 2 dampers by upgrading all the Marzocchi stuff. That HSC adjuster looks new, but the Grip 2 HSC only has 6 clicks of adjustment and would almost be better off having a rotary dial like that. Possibly they just added a new looking adjuster for the Zoke's to clear out a bunch of old Grip 2's, so Fox can drop the new stuff. Kind of KTM group-ish methinks (KTM, GAS GAS, Husqvarna on very similar but 'different' moto equipment)
Wouldn't that be a heck of a sales pitch for both brands? Zokies with Grip 2's and Fox with the new new. OOH WEE!
I’m game.
you win a six pack if pond water, you lose more than half the points I get a bag of cali soil.
Why would you put a dampener in there, who wants the fork to get wet?
Hehe, I'm a little disappointed dolface hasn't posted an explanatory cartoon (a la sneak peak) showing the difference between the two words.
Mint
I knew I could rely on you.
I don't know why but the inverted Push fork is a real thorn in my ass--the overly vague details and utter lack of showcasing *any* performance data (to indicate value over traditional mtb fork designs) is what really twists my nipples about the whole thing.
Here's the spec. scoop (w/picture evidence) on the USD Push fork;
-37mm or 38mm stanchion tubes
-50mm upper tubes
-15mm axle (20mm may have created lower leg stiffness issues causing less favorable flex patterns--or the 15mm axle is actually a performance hinderance that's truly meant to soothe the 'main stream' retarded-guy consumer, lets be honest here. For no reason other than folks might have to build a new wheel with proper 20mm hubs, or worse yet. . . .swap in 20mm endcaps+axle if your hub allows//Big whoop)
-130-160mm travel (anything 170mm+ likely has major performance drawbacks on USD single crown forks)
-2,500-2,800g finished weight (Fox 40's are ~2,800g, RS Lyrik ~2,000g, Zeb/38's @~2,300g)
[the added weight will actually be a performance benefit to help keep the fork consistent]
-$2,200-2,600 retail tag
. . . . . . . . . . .
//evidence
Manitou Mezzer: 37mm tubes
Intend inverted: 15mm on the left, 20mm right
20mm
15mm
Push lower leg manifold, undoubtedly 15mm axle
Push
Push
Push
15mm axle on a Fox 38
DVO Emerald (inverted gold standard): 36mm tubes w/50mm O.D. uppers @seal head bulge (just measured mine w/digi caliper)
Dorado 36mm (old style)
Dorado 36mm
Fox prototype inverted DH fork (36mm stanchions, 48mm upper tubes w/measurement likely taken @seal head)
Fox 40 mental refresher
DVO Onyx 38 (new)
DVO Onyx 38
Ohlins DH.38
Dorado 37mm (new)
Dorado 37mm
Lady of the hour, misses Darren Push herself
new Michelin tyre coming out in the new year - “Wild Enduro MS”
Following suit of lots of other successful tyres on the market with the 3,2,2 centre knobs and consistent side knobs
looks like a mix of DH22, Assegai and Magic Mary 👌🏼
hopefully they do them in the normal wild enduro casings and not just the racing line ones which are like 1.5kg each 😂
Yup, that's why I brought him up. Building and testing his ideas, and showing failure modes.
His righteous tone is grating, but he's a nerd doing the work.
The lack of information on the Push fork really "twists my nipps" too. But I speculated ~$1k+ on their new SV shock and they surprised us all with their price point (I wouldn't call it a bargain, but it was below expectations). We may yet have hope for the fork pricing. This is a new world of deflation, probably why they haven't released yet.
To be fair they haven't realesed the product yet, so I think its justifiable to not have any information on it.
It is a growing trend in the industry though, quite a few brands are now not publishing detailed suspension data, Atherton and We are One come to mind, neither of their bikes post leverage curves, anti-squat graphs etc.