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Primoz
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10/6/2023 1:32pm

Or for a treatment with a gob of Lord 310 A/B.

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Rick26 wrote:
Looks like a 38mm Marzocchi is going to be released during Rampage.

Looks like a 38mm Marzocchi is going to be released during Rampage.

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what the hell is that helvetica-ass typeface on the lower?? we want gothic script!

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https://youtu.be/mEPbT-uSbus?si=Neh9w20hvwY5SrSr&t=240 at 4.00 you can see it's just tape.

At 4:05 you can see the space, or void is filled with something, so the tape isnt there to keep mud out.  I think theres carbon in the void of the that the tape is covering up.

But why cover it up?

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https://youtu.be/mEPbT-uSbus?si=Neh9w20hvwY5SrSr&t=240 at 4.00 you can see it's just tape.

Onawalk wrote:
At 4:05 you can see the space, or void is filled with something, so the tape isnt there to keep mud out.  I think theres carbon...

At 4:05 you can see the space, or void is filled with something, so the tape isnt there to keep mud out.  I think theres carbon in the void of the that the tape is covering up.

But why cover it up?

Theres definitively something other than tape in there, and why would you need tape to keep mud out when theres something already in there?

Additional stiffness?

vibration dampening?

adjustable compliance?

Space age polymer adding lightness?

Its all wildly speculative on my part

 

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10/6/2023 2:04pm Edited Date/Time 10/6/2023 2:04pm

I'm too lazy to search for the images, but Gamux doesn't machine I-beams for their frame members, but lattice beams IIRC. The moto foam/tape covers are just there to prevent mud accumulation.

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Maybe that's just a plastic cover with some blue masking tape to make it pop a bit more?

The flex should be engineered into the aluminium structure itself. Adding carbon will just add complications.

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10/6/2023 3:07pm
Rick26 wrote:
Looks like a 38mm Marzocchi is going to be released during Rampage.

Looks like a 38mm Marzocchi is going to be released during Rampage.

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Fox is pushing hard to bring freeride back (and 27.5) using 'zocchi's heritage. Even then, the lowers look very long, going beyond the dropouts, maybe this has more than 180mm of travel.... or its made for 26"! (The bike is built to be barspinable,so it makes kind of sense) cartdridge adjuster looks new too

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10/6/2023 3:38pm
Rick26 wrote:
Looks like a 38mm Marzocchi is going to be released during Rampage.

Looks like a 38mm Marzocchi is going to be released during Rampage.

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bikelurker wrote:
Fox is pushing hard to bring freeride back (and 27.5) using 'zocchi's heritage. Even then, the lowers look very long, going beyond the dropouts, maybe this...

Fox is pushing hard to bring freeride back (and 27.5) using 'zocchi's heritage. Even then, the lowers look very long, going beyond the dropouts, maybe this has more than 180mm of travel.... or its made for 26"! (The bike is built to be barspinable,so it makes kind of sense) cartdridge adjuster looks new too

Maybe it's a Travis with a (backwards) crown? Tongue

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Onawalk wrote:
Theres definitively something other than tape in there, and why would you need tape to keep mud out when theres something already in there? Additional stiffness...

Theres definitively something other than tape in there, and why would you need tape to keep mud out when theres something already in there?

Additional stiffness?

vibration dampening?

adjustable compliance?

Space age polymer adding lightness?

Its all wildly speculative on my part

 

DAMPING

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10/6/2023 5:47pm
Onawalk wrote:
Theres definitively something other than tape in there, and why would you need tape to keep mud out when theres something already in there? Additional stiffness...

Theres definitively something other than tape in there, and why would you need tape to keep mud out when theres something already in there?

Additional stiffness?

vibration dampening?

adjustable compliance?

Space age polymer adding lightness?

Its all wildly speculative on my part

 

TEAMROBOT wrote:

DAMPING

TEAMROBOT out here doin work so we don’t have to.

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10/6/2023 7:53pm

Anyone notice during the Snowshoe Semi-Finals and Finals race runs that Loic has a little box strapped onto his downtube?  The box doesn’t ever appear to be there during practice or in the pits.

Also, did anyone notice that in his Semi-Finals run that there was a green light on his top crown?  I’ve seen other times when there is a green light coming from the buttons on his handle bar, but just caught this light on his top crown.

Any ideas what is going on with this little box and handle bar buttons?

These screen grabs are from the Semi-Finals race footage.

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IMG 6854.jpeg?VersionId=8W
IMG 6855

 

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10/6/2023 8:10pm Edited Date/Time 10/6/2023 8:10pm
toughyguy wrote:
Anyone notice during the Snowshoe Semi-Finals and Finals race runs that Loic has a little box strapped onto his downtube?  The box doesn’t ever appear to...

Anyone notice during the Snowshoe Semi-Finals and Finals race runs that Loic has a little box strapped onto his downtube?  The box doesn’t ever appear to be there during practice or in the pits.

Also, did anyone notice that in his Semi-Finals run that there was a green light on his top crown?  I’ve seen other times when there is a green light coming from the buttons on his handle bar, but just caught this light on his top crown.

Any ideas what is going on with this little box and handle bar buttons?

These screen grabs are from the Semi-Finals race footage.

IMG 6849.jpeg?VersionId=k72K561ryh.uuywGK5KcmyO9ZuKWR9
IMG 6850.jpeg?VersionId=E66RLOPCJ5Wq.mN3gpqm6P0Gdu

IMG 6854.jpeg?VersionId=8W
IMG 6855

 

I think it's been proposed before that they show his splits live? 3 greens in the top left, green on the bars. 

 

What are the rules for the pit "communicating" with the bike/rider? 

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10/6/2023 8:18pm

Looks like Vittoria is working on their own version of the Assegai. Screenshot 20231006 201652 Gallery.jpg?VersionId=S7cYKCPedCX3RESmJAwK

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toughyguy
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Mas wrote:
I think it's been proposed before that they show his splits live? 3 greens in the top left, green on the bars.    What are the...

I think it's been proposed before that they show his splits live? 3 greens in the top left, green on the bars. 

 

What are the rules for the pit "communicating" with the bike/rider? 

Hmmm live split times would be interesting.  I suppose the box strapped onto the downtube could be a gps system?

Though the wire going into the head tube from the buttons on his handle bar make me wonder if they are connected to his rear shock? i.e. different valving maps, lock out, etc.  I know others have previously thought he could have some type of electronic shock.

10/7/2023 12:54am

The box is a gps to have live info for the top riders during finals. I Think it's how they show speed in real time. 

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Looks like Vittoria is working on their own version of the Assegai. 

Looks like Vittoria is working on their own version of the Assegai. Screenshot 20231006 201652 Gallery.jpg?VersionId=S7cYKCPedCX3RESmJAwK

I don't see any ressemblance other than color and roundness.

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Oli_C
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toughyguy wrote:
Anyone notice during the Snowshoe Semi-Finals and Finals race runs that Loic has a little box strapped onto his downtube?  The box doesn’t ever appear to...

Anyone notice during the Snowshoe Semi-Finals and Finals race runs that Loic has a little box strapped onto his downtube?  The box doesn’t ever appear to be there during practice or in the pits.

Also, did anyone notice that in his Semi-Finals run that there was a green light on his top crown?  I’ve seen other times when there is a green light coming from the buttons on his handle bar, but just caught this light on his top crown.

Any ideas what is going on with this little box and handle bar buttons?

These screen grabs are from the Semi-Finals race footage.

IMG 6849.jpeg?VersionId=k72K561ryh.uuywGK5KcmyO9ZuKWR9
IMG 6850.jpeg?VersionId=E66RLOPCJ5Wq.mN3gpqm6P0Gdu

IMG 6854.jpeg?VersionId=8W
IMG 6855

 

Mas wrote:
I think it's been proposed before that they show his splits live? 3 greens in the top left, green on the bars.    What are the...

I think it's been proposed before that they show his splits live? 3 greens in the top left, green on the bars. 

 

What are the rules for the pit "communicating" with the bike/rider? 

If you look when he rides off after crashing in the finals at Snowshoe the light is still green. So I doubt its split timing. More likely green for open dampening???

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10/7/2023 1:25am
toughyguy wrote:
Anyone notice during the Snowshoe Semi-Finals and Finals race runs that Loic has a little box strapped onto his downtube?  The box doesn’t ever appear to...

Anyone notice during the Snowshoe Semi-Finals and Finals race runs that Loic has a little box strapped onto his downtube?  The box doesn’t ever appear to be there during practice or in the pits.

Also, did anyone notice that in his Semi-Finals run that there was a green light on his top crown?  I’ve seen other times when there is a green light coming from the buttons on his handle bar, but just caught this light on his top crown.

Any ideas what is going on with this little box and handle bar buttons?

These screen grabs are from the Semi-Finals race footage.

IMG 6849.jpeg?VersionId=k72K561ryh.uuywGK5KcmyO9ZuKWR9
IMG 6850.jpeg?VersionId=E66RLOPCJ5Wq.mN3gpqm6P0Gdu

IMG 6854.jpeg?VersionId=8W
IMG 6855

 

Mas wrote:
I think it's been proposed before that they show his splits live? 3 greens in the top left, green on the bars.    What are the...

I think it's been proposed before that they show his splits live? 3 greens in the top left, green on the bars. 

 

What are the rules for the pit "communicating" with the bike/rider? 

Oli_C wrote:
If you look when he rides off after crashing in the finals at Snowshoe the light is still green. So I doubt its split timing. More...

If you look when he rides off after crashing in the finals at Snowshoe the light is still green. So I doubt its split timing. More likely green for open dampening???

Some suggested a GPS location…could it be that they adapt the damping depending of it GPS location on the Track? 

E.g the device has two regimes and switches between the rough and pedal section? 🤷🏼

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Oli_C wrote:
If you look when he rides off after crashing in the finals at Snowshoe the light is still green. So I doubt its split timing. More...

If you look when he rides off after crashing in the finals at Snowshoe the light is still green. So I doubt its split timing. More likely green for open dampening???

„damping“ Wink

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Would be sick if it was a coil fork. The bomber is incredible good

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manny.bike wrote:
Some suggested a GPS location…could it be that they adapt the damping depending of it GPS location on the Track?  E.g the device has two regimes...

Some suggested a GPS location…could it be that they adapt the damping depending of it GPS location on the Track? 

E.g the device has two regimes and switches between the rough and pedal section? 🤷🏼

The GPS box has nothing to do with his handlebar control for the shock. It's provided to many of the riders by the broadcaster.

They discuss it here (0:26) while installing it on one of the Canyon bikes earlier in the season...

 

Other riders with it on their bikes...

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The GPS box is not used for timing the rider, only for the broadcast?

I'm thinking here, if it was used for timing, mounting it further back on the bike, if passing a certain point on the track was the start marker, should make for a faster time. DH racing is a standing start formula and if the box 'crosses the line' later, it will do so at a higher speed. Thus the average speed over the distance should also be higher and thus the time shorter?

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chriskief wrote:

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Looks like another new swingarm in MSA…

 

 

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10/7/2023 6:45am Edited Date/Time 10/7/2023 6:47am
Primoz wrote:
The GPS box is not used for timing the rider, only for the broadcast? I'm thinking here, if it was used for timing, mounting it further...

The GPS box is not used for timing the rider, only for the broadcast?

I'm thinking here, if it was used for timing, mounting it further back on the bike, if passing a certain point on the track was the start marker, should make for a faster time. DH racing is a standing start formula and if the box 'crosses the line' later, it will do so at a higher speed. Thus the average speed over the distance should also be higher and thus the time shorter?

They have a timing chip for timing purposes, usually mounted in the front of the fork lowers close to the axle. Moreover, they use the same system as ski, with a spring loaded bar (not sure what's it called). The gps is used for the broadcast.

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TruckeeTrash
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10/7/2023 1:48pm
Looks like Vittoria is working on their own version of the Assegai. 

Looks like Vittoria is working on their own version of the Assegai. Screenshot 20231006 201652 Gallery.jpg?VersionId=S7cYKCPedCX3RESmJAwK

Jakub_G wrote:

I don't see any ressemblance other than color and roundness.

It's got a similar 5-4-5-4 block pattern with intermediate blocks on the 5 row. And it's not something currently in their lineup. So I would assume it's Assegai *inspired* 

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10/7/2023 5:00pm

More detailed pics of Finn's bike provided by Spec. 

 

 

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Democho wrote:

More detailed pics of Finn's bike provided by Spec. 

 

 

Looks long 

10/7/2023 11:55pm

Really can’t understand how this thing doesn’t have a rearward travel - really need to see it compress uncovered in order to understand it! 
Kinda strange they decided to use such a design against the high-pivots…

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10/8/2023 1:02am

Because High pivot isnt the answer.

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Democho wrote:

More detailed pics of Finn's bike provided by Spec. 

 

 

mega banshee legend vibes on that spesh.  im not complaining 

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