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9/6/2023 1:13am

You mean the current Enduro actually has 176mm of travel against the 170 officially?

Jakub_G wrote:
Yes. And I agree that Enduro is not really up to date, only thing that is ok-ish in this day and age is reach and wheelbase...

Yes. And I agree that Enduro is not really up to date, only thing that is ok-ish in this day and age is reach and wheelbase, but head angle? Nope. Seat angle? Double nope? Proportional or adjustable chainstay length? You guessed it. And kinematics are not that great either with Almost 3:1 average LR, anyone over 100kg will have very hard time finding the right coil or air shock that can be pumped to necessary pressure.

HH4L wrote:
I have a friend that is a bit overwheight and he bought a Fox DHX2 to replace the X2 and he has like 40% of sag...

I have a friend that is a bit overwheight and he bought a Fox DHX2 to replace the X2 and he has like 40% of sag with his coil... he said nobody makes one with a spring rate of about 800 like he would need on that bike!   I have 65mm stroke for my 155mm of travel... 60mm stroke for 176mm of travel doesnt work! lol

EXT go all the way to 800lbs and are plenty wide to fit most shock bodies

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9/6/2023 5:10am

Wonder if we'll start seeing Giants with structurally-appropriate lower links.

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9/6/2023 6:43am
AgrAde wrote:

Wonder if we'll start seeing Giants with structurally-appropriate lower links.

To be honest I dont follow. I own a newer Trance X. All seems fine to me? I brutalize the thing too at Downieville. Did great. 

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9/6/2023 7:29am
AgrAde wrote:

Wonder if we'll start seeing Giants with structurally-appropriate lower links.

To be honest I dont follow. I own a newer Trance X. All seems fine to me? I brutalize the thing too at Downieville. Did great. 

If I remember correctly then giants suspension platform is just a knock off DW link.

https://bikerumor.com/dw-link-sues-giant-bicycles-claiming-patent-infri…;

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9/6/2023 10:56am

pit bits video from les gets

 

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9/6/2023 12:36pm
AgrAde wrote:

Wonder if we'll start seeing Giants with structurally-appropriate lower links.

To be honest I dont follow. I own a newer Trance X. All seems fine to me? I brutalize the thing too at Downieville. Did great. 

eljefe1 wrote:

If I remember correctly then giants suspension platform is just a knock off DW link.

https://bikerumor.com/dw-link-sues-giant-bicycles-claiming-patent-infri…;

Oh I thought OP was meaning that Giant makes a bad quality bottom link. Like they break often or something. But yeah I know about that. 
 

On the topic of Dave Weagle I wonder what will happen to the usage of Delta Link since it seems that Evil may be dissolving. 

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9/6/2023 12:53pm
Jakub_G wrote:
Yes. And I agree that Enduro is not really up to date, only thing that is ok-ish in this day and age is reach and wheelbase...

Yes. And I agree that Enduro is not really up to date, only thing that is ok-ish in this day and age is reach and wheelbase, but head angle? Nope. Seat angle? Double nope? Proportional or adjustable chainstay length? You guessed it. And kinematics are not that great either with Almost 3:1 average LR, anyone over 100kg will have very hard time finding the right coil or air shock that can be pumped to necessary pressure.

What is it about the seat angle and head angle you wouldn't call "modern"? If the HA was over 65 degrees I would agree but its 64 which is spot on IMO, going slacker than that would bring more drawbacks than anything. Proportionally sized chainstays are a nice to have but logistically difficult, and are still pretty rare. 

 

Kinematics are far from the most difficult I've seen, its pretty high but up to around 110kg is not a problem and as long as the spring is appropriate they will work really well, unlike other challenging bikes which have more compromise between grip and bottoming resistance. I think its one of those bikes that people overthink set up for and either try to source excessively high spring rates or run lots of tokens in their air shock, and both end up pretty awful. 

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9/6/2023 1:56pm
Oh I thought OP was meaning that Giant makes a bad quality bottom link. Like they break often or something. But yeah I know about that. ...

Oh I thought OP was meaning that Giant makes a bad quality bottom link. Like they break often or something. But yeah I know about that. 
 

On the topic of Dave Weagle I wonder what will happen to the usage of Delta Link since it seems that Evil may be dissolving. 

Where did you hear that Evil may be going out of business? This is the first I've heard of such a rumor.

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9/6/2023 2:59pm

To be honest I dont follow. I own a newer Trance X. All seems fine to me? I brutalize the thing too at Downieville. Did great. 

eljefe1 wrote:

If I remember correctly then giants suspension platform is just a knock off DW link.

https://bikerumor.com/dw-link-sues-giant-bicycles-claiming-patent-infri…;

Oh I thought OP was meaning that Giant makes a bad quality bottom link. Like they break often or something. But yeah I know about that. ...

Oh I thought OP was meaning that Giant makes a bad quality bottom link. Like they break often or something. But yeah I know about that. 
 

On the topic of Dave Weagle I wonder what will happen to the usage of Delta Link since it seems that Evil may be dissolving. 

Seems strange since they’ve got a post on their Instagram from a week ago stating they are looking for people to hire…

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9/6/2023 3:15pm
Oh I thought OP was meaning that Giant makes a bad quality bottom link. Like they break often or something. But yeah I know about that. ...

Oh I thought OP was meaning that Giant makes a bad quality bottom link. Like they break often or something. But yeah I know about that. 
 

On the topic of Dave Weagle I wonder what will happen to the usage of Delta Link since it seems that Evil may be dissolving. 

Woah woah woah what’s this talk about evil going under?

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9/6/2023 3:24pm

For what it's worth, people spotted a few Evil vans testing prototypes at a badass trail near Leavenworth, WA a couple of weeks ago. What the hell would I know, But that doesn't seem like a company that is dissolving.

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9/6/2023 3:35pm Edited Date/Time 9/6/2023 3:36pm
I don't have one myself, but seeing how popular the Enduro has been, I'd bet a lot of people could benefit from a 'Long Stroke' link...

I don't have one myself, but seeing how popular the Enduro has been, I'd bet a lot of people could benefit from a 'Long Stroke' link for a 205x65mm shock. No idea why Spesh made the leverage ratio so high.

It was worse in X wing version, 57 stroke shortened from 63 for 170mm!  it rode pretty well though even with my 105kg weight

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9/6/2023 5:16pm
Oh I thought OP was meaning that Giant makes a bad quality bottom link. Like they break often or something. But yeah I know about that. ...

Oh I thought OP was meaning that Giant makes a bad quality bottom link. Like they break often or something. But yeah I know about that. 
 

On the topic of Dave Weagle I wonder what will happen to the usage of Delta Link since it seems that Evil may be dissolving. 

nskerb wrote:

Woah woah woah what’s this talk about evil going under?

Someone confusing Evil with GG? 

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9/6/2023 6:35pm

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9/6/2023 7:01pm Edited Date/Time 9/6/2023 7:01pm
pdon wrote:
For what it's worth, people spotted a few Evil vans testing prototypes at a badass trail near Leavenworth, WA a couple of weeks ago. What the...

For what it's worth, people spotted a few Evil vans testing prototypes at a badass trail near Leavenworth, WA a couple of weeks ago. What the hell would I know, But that doesn't seem like a company that is dissolving.

Yeah maybe theyre doing okay now. But I heard from someone on the inside that things were getting pretty grim for them. Or they were already absorbed by another company and deals are still being finalized and support has already been established. Id be surprised if they did dissolve, but as far as I knew 6 months ago, this person made it sound like this year may be their last. Seeing their deals they randomly put out, made me think they were not blowing smoke. 
 

As far as that posting goes for new people, its not too uncommon for large companies to “search” for people but never hire. Keeps moral of overworked employees stable, and costs low for some time. Again, this is all just possible rumors. 
 

If they did dissolve or get bought out, I hope the DeltaLink does not disappear. 

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9/6/2023 9:40pm
sspomer wrote:
pit bits video from les gets  

pit bits video from les gets

 

Seems like a lot of rider's on the Maven brakes lately, not trying to hide them anymore. Hopefully releasing soon!

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9/6/2023 9:40pm Edited Date/Time 9/6/2023 9:43pm

The 9.8 in NZ has gone up by $2600...  thats just dumb, they cant even sell the current 9.8 with heavy discounts lol

Can someone confirm old full price of the gen 5 8 vs gen 6 8 in USD?

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9/6/2023 11:06pm
Kusa wrote:
Slash officially on Trek's site https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/mountain-bikes/trail-mountain-bikes/slash/c/B341/ Including AL frame 

Slash officially on Trek's site https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/mountain-bikes/trail-mountain-…

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Including AL frame 

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The Slash 8 Gen 6 has gained a full kilo over the Gen 5 despite the Zeb being replaced with a 36.

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9/7/2023 1:36am
Kusa wrote:
Slash officially on Trek's site https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/mountain-bikes/trail-mountain-bikes/slash/c/B341/ Including AL frame 

Slash officially on Trek's site https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/mountain-bikes/trail-mountain-…

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Including AL frame 

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Couple on the Ozzie site also, not sure whos going to spend 19.5k on one 

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9/7/2023 2:43am
Kusa wrote:
Slash officially on Trek's site https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/mountain-bikes/trail-mountain-bikes/slash/c/B341/ Including AL frame 

Slash officially on Trek's site https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/mountain-bikes/trail-mountain-…

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Including AL frame 

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peecee wrote:
Couple on the Ozzie site also, not sure whos going to spend 19.5k on one 

Couple on the Ozzie site also, not sure whos going to spend 19.5k on one 

trek-slash-au.jpg?VersionId=tXbAs7fV3zr

XX on an enduro sled, I thought it was meant to be the lightweight XC groupset?

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9/7/2023 2:50am

That's the SL. 

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9/7/2023 3:56am Edited Date/Time 9/7/2023 5:11am
What is it about the seat angle and head angle you wouldn't call "modern"? If the HA was over 65 degrees I would agree but its...

What is it about the seat angle and head angle you wouldn't call "modern"? If the HA was over 65 degrees I would agree but its 64 which is spot on IMO, going slacker than that would bring more drawbacks than anything. Proportionally sized chainstays are a nice to have but logistically difficult, and are still pretty rare. 

 

Kinematics are far from the most difficult I've seen, its pretty high but up to around 110kg is not a problem and as long as the spring is appropriate they will work really well, unlike other challenging bikes which have more compromise between grip and bottoming resistance. I think its one of those bikes that people overthink set up for and either try to source excessively high spring rates or run lots of tokens in their air shock, and both end up pretty awful. 

Effective seat angle is nothing to write home about but relatively close to modern bikes, but actual seat angle is slack in absolute terms and for riders who use S4 and 5 sizes puts them way back. Head angle is slacker than recent sj Evo and previous sj Evo. If they offered the same adjustment range or a little slacker (let's say 63.5 +- 0.5) it would work for wider range of situations and riders. And kinematics are good for specialized as what they used to produce before was questionable to say the least just going against the grain for the sake of it. Straight leverage curve is great, if it was from 3-2.2 or so, it would be better still and would work for almost anyone and with more reasonable spring rates, (not needing 600lb spring for 95kg guy etc). And adjustable chainstays are not that hard to implement if you don't want to use same principle as Norco forbidden etc with different front triangles( that you have to make anyway )for some reason.

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9/7/2023 8:53am
Kusa wrote:
Slash officially on Trek's site https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/mountain-bikes/trail-mountain-bikes/slash/c/B341/ Including AL frame 

Slash officially on Trek's site https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/mountain-bikes/trail-mountain-…

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Including AL frame 

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Looks like it can be run as a full 29er, you must purchase an aftermarket shock link/mount though. 

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9/7/2023 10:44am

Confirmed Guerilla Gravity is shutting down. A friend of mine just got this email from them this week. 
 

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9/7/2023 1:04pm
blensen wrote:
Confirmed Guerilla Gravity is shutting down. A friend of mine just got this email from them this week.   

Confirmed Guerilla Gravity is shutting down. A friend of mine just got this email from them this week. 
 

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Hurts man, right in the chest. I loved that brand. I steered several of my mates towards them, and they loved how they rode. 

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9/7/2023 3:13pm

Lets not forget GG is a startup with funding rounds so there might be some other issues happening beside Covid / Current market crisis.

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9/7/2023 4:46pm

Did Trek let slip of a new Fox shock in their press blurb about the new slash.

Re: Shock fitment, mentions " Fox Live Valve NEO"

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9/7/2023 4:57pm

linkage-new

So I'm in possession of an image friend sent me of a possible new frame design. I'm not posting the photo as I didn't get permission to post it so I mocked up the linkage (links, pivot points) of the new frame. I used a Trek rear end to make the mock-up easier (the rocker on this bike does look a little different than the Trek on in this image above. The pivot points in this mock-up are pretty accurate to the photo. 2 short links, horst pivot. Looks like something I've seen before, but can't pinpoint it. This bike was spotted in the PNW, but not sure that means anything. Looks to be a trail to enduro bike. Probably 140-160mm range based on shock size and stout looking frame. 

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