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TEAMROBOT
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8/2/2023 4:20pm
Kadester wrote:
new fox 32??

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new fox 32??

TayRob wrote:

Sure does look like it. They obviously learned something and drew a lot of inspiration from their gravel fork.

lol they obviously drew a lot of inspiration from Manitou!

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8/2/2023 4:35pm
Kadester wrote:
new fox 32??

IMG 2695
new fox 32??

TayRob wrote:

Sure does look like it. They obviously learned something and drew a lot of inspiration from their gravel fork.

TEAMROBOT wrote:

lol they obviously drew a lot of inspiration from Manitou!

Laughing At least they drew it from there and not those miserable dual arch Magura forks.

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8/2/2023 4:42pm
krabo83 wrote:
underwhelming IMO

underwhelming IMO

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As seen in pit bits video. Mondraker now mounts to rear triangle, not lower link. It has adjustable rear triangle plates for stiffness and bolt in...

As seen in pit bits video.

Mondraker now mounts to rear triangle, not lower link. It has adjustable rear triangle plates for stiffness and bolt in BB bracket. Even though it looks like the old frame, I bet it ride’s completely different!

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Bolt on BB is a great way to manipulate your Front/Rear center ratio while not changing much else and really isolate the effect of said ratio...

Bolt on BB is a great way to manipulate your Front/Rear center ratio while not changing much else and really isolate the effect of said ratio and basically CS length. Great for a test mule but could also be nice to see on a commercially available bike.

unfortunately its very unlikely to release a bike with that, its simply way too heavy and too costly to manufacture. The best we could hope for is an oversized BB fitted with eccentric cups that can be used to adjust, much simply, lighter and cheaper at mass production

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8/2/2023 6:19pm
As seen in pit bits video. Mondraker now mounts to rear triangle, not lower link. It has adjustable rear triangle plates for stiffness and bolt in...

As seen in pit bits video.

Mondraker now mounts to rear triangle, not lower link. It has adjustable rear triangle plates for stiffness and bolt in BB bracket. Even though it looks like the old frame, I bet it ride’s completely different!

IMG 1892IMG 1896.jpeg?VersionId=0J 4Qjr11yIMG 1897.jpeg?VersionId=6CiVkY8MJ8MDobvzbDGL6PJMIDrfZ

Bolt on BB is a great way to manipulate your Front/Rear center ratio while not changing much else and really isolate the effect of said ratio...

Bolt on BB is a great way to manipulate your Front/Rear center ratio while not changing much else and really isolate the effect of said ratio and basically CS length. Great for a test mule but could also be nice to see on a commercially available bike.

unfortunately its very unlikely to release a bike with that, its simply way too heavy and too costly to manufacture. The best we could hope for...

unfortunately its very unlikely to release a bike with that, its simply way too heavy and too costly to manufacture. The best we could hope for is an oversized BB fitted with eccentric cups that can be used to adjust, much simply, lighter and cheaper at mass production

That would be really fun to play with. Bb cups, chainstay flip chip for short and long, headset adjustable cups.  
 

But what % of buyers would actually try different settings?

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8/2/2023 6:33pm
Bolt on BB is a great way to manipulate your Front/Rear center ratio while not changing much else and really isolate the effect of said ratio...

Bolt on BB is a great way to manipulate your Front/Rear center ratio while not changing much else and really isolate the effect of said ratio and basically CS length. Great for a test mule but could also be nice to see on a commercially available bike.

unfortunately its very unlikely to release a bike with that, its simply way too heavy and too costly to manufacture. The best we could hope for...

unfortunately its very unlikely to release a bike with that, its simply way too heavy and too costly to manufacture. The best we could hope for is an oversized BB fitted with eccentric cups that can be used to adjust, much simply, lighter and cheaper at mass production

That would be really fun to play with. Bb cups, chainstay flip chip for short and long, headset adjustable cups.     But what % of...

That would be really fun to play with. Bb cups, chainstay flip chip for short and long, headset adjustable cups.  
 

But what % of buyers would actually try different settings?

At the very least you can try an eccentric bottom bracket like they’re using on the specialized prototype dh bike. There are BSA/24mm spindle ones that provided +-3mm of chainstay/reach. Velo orange makes one. 

8/2/2023 10:32pm
unfortunately its very unlikely to release a bike with that, its simply way too heavy and too costly to manufacture. The best we could hope for...

unfortunately its very unlikely to release a bike with that, its simply way too heavy and too costly to manufacture. The best we could hope for is an oversized BB fitted with eccentric cups that can be used to adjust, much simply, lighter and cheaper at mass production

That would be really fun to play with. Bb cups, chainstay flip chip for short and long, headset adjustable cups.     But what % of...

That would be really fun to play with. Bb cups, chainstay flip chip for short and long, headset adjustable cups.  
 

But what % of buyers would actually try different settings?

At the very least you can try an eccentric bottom bracket like they’re using on the specialized prototype dh bike. There are BSA/24mm spindle ones that...

At the very least you can try an eccentric bottom bracket like they’re using on the specialized prototype dh bike. There are BSA/24mm spindle ones that provided +-3mm of chainstay/reach. Velo orange makes one. 

Yeah quite a few prototype frames use eccentric BB cups and a smaller spindle during test to fine tune, in fact Bruni ran one on the production Demo for a couple years.

I don't imagine anyone will make a bike with an oversize BB and press in eccentric cups that you can then mount standard BBs into anytime soon, but one can dream. 

Plus DH bikes can already tune fore/aft balance by extending the fork stanchions out and rear centre flip chips I guess.

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8/3/2023 5:45am
TEAMROBOT wrote:

lol they obviously drew a lot of inspiration from Manitou!

Manitou was right afterall and this could only meant that fox USD fork v2 is coming Laughing

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That would be really fun to play with. Bb cups, chainstay flip chip for short and long, headset adjustable cups.     But what % of...

That would be really fun to play with. Bb cups, chainstay flip chip for short and long, headset adjustable cups.  
 

But what % of buyers would actually try different settings?

At the very least you can try an eccentric bottom bracket like they’re using on the specialized prototype dh bike. There are BSA/24mm spindle ones that...

At the very least you can try an eccentric bottom bracket like they’re using on the specialized prototype dh bike. There are BSA/24mm spindle ones that provided +-3mm of chainstay/reach. Velo orange makes one. 

Yeah quite a few prototype frames use eccentric BB cups and a smaller spindle during test to fine tune, in fact Bruni ran one on the...

Yeah quite a few prototype frames use eccentric BB cups and a smaller spindle during test to fine tune, in fact Bruni ran one on the production Demo for a couple years.

I don't imagine anyone will make a bike with an oversize BB and press in eccentric cups that you can then mount standard BBs into anytime soon, but one can dream. 

Plus DH bikes can already tune fore/aft balance by extending the fork stanchions out and rear centre flip chips I guess.

You can get eccentric cups for PF bb’s. 

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8/3/2023 7:01am

Manitou this morning

 

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sethimus wrote:
try order a complete bike from them with a fitting spring if you are over 105kg. or try pumping up your air shock over the manufacurer...

try order a complete bike from them with a fitting spring if you are over 105kg. or try pumping up your air shock over the manufacurer limit if you are in the same camp. not possible, because they decided on a 55mm stroke shock…

One more reason to loose weight, if million other health benefits isn't enough. And oh, they just released that ekano, it uses 205mm shock, not surprisingly.

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8/3/2023 8:12am
sethimus wrote:
try order a complete bike from them with a fitting spring if you are over 105kg. or try pumping up your air shock over the manufacurer...

try order a complete bike from them with a fitting spring if you are over 105kg. or try pumping up your air shock over the manufacurer limit if you are in the same camp. not possible, because they decided on a 55mm stroke shock…

Jakub_G wrote:

One more reason to loose weight, if million other health benefits isn't enough. And oh, they just released that ekano, it uses 205mm shock, not surprisingly.

won't disagree that there's health benefits in many cases, but pretty big assumption to make that this (or any person) has any weight to lose. nothing wrong with product innovation to accommodate a broader range of body types.

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bnsleit wrote:
won't disagree that there's health benefits in many cases, but pretty big assumption to make that this (or any person) has any weight to lose. nothing...

won't disagree that there's health benefits in many cases, but pretty big assumption to make that this (or any person) has any weight to lose. nothing wrong with product innovation to accommodate a broader range of body types.

Hm, even if this guy was 200cm tall, 105kg is not healthy and there is absolutely no discussion about that. I know I know, sensitive topic on American forum,but closing eyes and saying everything's gonna be alright is not going to change that. Sorry.

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8/3/2023 8:45am

Welcome back to the Life Choices and Personal Fitness; Rumors and Innovation forum. Can we go back to bikes please.

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8/3/2023 8:53am
sethimus wrote:
try order a complete bike from them with a fitting spring if you are over 105kg. or try pumping up your air shock over the manufacurer...

try order a complete bike from them with a fitting spring if you are over 105kg. or try pumping up your air shock over the manufacurer limit if you are in the same camp. not possible, because they decided on a 55mm stroke shock…

Jakub_G wrote:

One more reason to loose weight, if million other health benefits isn't enough. And oh, they just released that ekano, it uses 205mm shock, not surprisingly.

I’m not fat. I’m big boned.Sick

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New Maven seen without tape or camo.

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New Maven seen without tape or camo.

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New Maven seen without tape or camo.

Sweet $DEITY if they charge those calipers by the bolt the price is going to be astronomical!

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New Maven seen without tape or camo.

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New Maven seen without tape or camo.

(patiently waiting/hoping to see this pop up all over the rest of the internet)

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New Maven seen without tape or camo.

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New Maven seen without tape or camo.

sspomer wrote:

(patiently waiting/hoping to see this pop up all over the rest of the internet)

Can’t wait for PB to post THAT photo 🤣🤣

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8/3/2023 10:11am
Kadester wrote:
new fox 32??

IMG 2695
new fox 32??

What account was that on? interesting 

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8/3/2023 10:20am
Kadester wrote:
new fox 32??

IMG 2695
new fox 32??

What account was that on? interesting 

Fox also showed this reverse arch with their gravel fork. It makes a lot of sense to put the arch at the back but I believe manitou had a patent which should be expiring/expired soon…

8/3/2023 10:36am
Kadester wrote:
new fox 32??

IMG 2695
new fox 32??

What account was that on? interesting 

Fox also showed this reverse arch with their gravel fork. It makes a lot of sense to put the arch at the back but I believe...

Fox also showed this reverse arch with their gravel fork. It makes a lot of sense to put the arch at the back but I believe manitou had a patent which should be expiring/expired soon…

I think DT is reverse as well?

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8/3/2023 10:46am

Magura be like MORE ARCHES

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8/3/2023 1:11pm
Magura be like MORE ARCHES

Magura be like MORE ARCHES

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8/3/2023 1:19pm
Kadester wrote:
new fox 32??

IMG 2695
new fox 32??

What account was that on? interesting 

On a pros strava pic

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8/3/2023 3:31pm
Kadester wrote:
new fox 32??

IMG 2695
new fox 32??

What account was that on? interesting 

Kadester wrote:

On a pros strava pic

Something doesnt look right, but I dont know enough about photoshop to detail it.

So you screen shotted this from their Strava?

Which Pro?

The black lines or shading on the front of the stanchion, with the light coloured highlight where I'd expect to see the arch seems weird.  So does the grass right in front of the fork, just something about it doesnt look right to me.  This would be a big departure, and a complete redesign of the fork to optomise it.

I could never get into the look of the reverse arch, I'm sure I'm not the only one.  Manitou makes some good forks, and I think their insistence on the RA is partially what has let them fall behind.

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8/3/2023 6:20pm
Cheesus wrote:

New vivid air unveils in about 2 weeks, seen one in person

I saw about 100 in lift line at Whistler looks pretty ready to me 

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8/3/2023 6:43pm

Ibis' site is down, "internal servor error". Probably nothing but you never know.

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8/3/2023 11:45pm
Kadester wrote:
new fox 32??

IMG 2695
new fox 32??

What account was that on? interesting 

Fox also showed this reverse arch with their gravel fork. It makes a lot of sense to put the arch at the back but I believe...

Fox also showed this reverse arch with their gravel fork. It makes a lot of sense to put the arch at the back but I believe manitou had a patent which should be expiring/expired soon…

And can cause a lot of clearance problems with the frames... 

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Bolt on BB is a great way to manipulate your Front/Rear center ratio while not changing much else and really isolate the effect of said ratio...

Bolt on BB is a great way to manipulate your Front/Rear center ratio while not changing much else and really isolate the effect of said ratio and basically CS length. Great for a test mule but could also be nice to see on a commercially available bike.

unfortunately its very unlikely to release a bike with that, its simply way too heavy and too costly to manufacture. The best we could hope for...

unfortunately its very unlikely to release a bike with that, its simply way too heavy and too costly to manufacture. The best we could hope for is an oversized BB fitted with eccentric cups that can be used to adjust, much simply, lighter and cheaper at mass production

That would be really fun to play with. Bb cups, chainstay flip chip for short and long, headset adjustable cups.     But what % of...

That would be really fun to play with. Bb cups, chainstay flip chip for short and long, headset adjustable cups.  
 

But what % of buyers would actually try different settings?

Regarding the Mondraker removable BB shell, I think they should sell it! This is a balancing act for product managers everywhere- give the people the freedom to adjust their bikes and allow them to make their bikes feel alternately great or terrible, or narrow their options and minimize how bad they can make it to assure a pretty solid experience for most users. I get it for trail bikes, but downhill bikes are already such a niche customer and low volume bike anyway.

Why not go for it and give your five DH customers a year the ability to go for it and tweak their bikes? I would make everything 3 settings so you can have "normal" settings in the middle and wild settings on either end. Pretty easy to tell customers to start with "normal" and tweak from there as desired. That's what suspension setup charts recommend- start in the middle and adjust as needed. Short/normal/long options for chainstays and headset/reach, low/normal/high options for BB height/shock progression, and front/normal/back options for BB location with the modular BB. I fear the eccentric BB would make fitting chainguides a nightmare.

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