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boozed 6/27/2022 8:54pm
6/27/2022 8:54pm Edited Date/Time 6/27/2022 9:08pm
This looks set up for "existing brand that isn't into bikes" that wants to enter the bike market but has no in-house expertise.

They probably expect it to be pretty lucrative for everyone involved, especially if their clients are luxury car companies or the like.

It beats repeating the mistake AMD made...

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parnifel 6/27/2022 10:21pm
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New SC 5010 colourway from Craig Evans?
styriabeef 6/27/2022 11:10pm
6/27/2022 11:10pm
New GT Sensor is definetly on the way. Saw it in Canazei, but have been asked not to take pics or spread any details. Looks good as expected.
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Sir HC 6/28/2022 3:26am
6/28/2022 3:26am
I wonder if they consider routing the cables through the upper headset bearing a hollistic solution? For me its shithousery and should be punished by being beaten with a pair of vintage z1 bombers.
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jason.west.750 6/28/2022 3:38am
6/28/2022 3:38am
styriabeef wrote:
New GT Sensor is definetly on the way. Saw it in Canazei, but have been asked not to take pics or spread any details. Looks good...
New GT Sensor is definetly on the way. Saw it in Canazei, but have been asked not to take pics or spread any details. Looks good as expected.
But we need details, c'mon! Enquiring minds want to know!
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Sven_Claas 6/28/2022 5:42am
6/28/2022 5:42am
styriabeef wrote:
New GT Sensor is definetly on the way. Saw it in Canazei, but have been asked not to take pics or spread any details. Looks good...
New GT Sensor is definetly on the way. Saw it in Canazei, but have been asked not to take pics or spread any details. Looks good as expected.
As long as we promise to keep it within this thread, is it even considered spreading?
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jason.west.750 6/28/2022 6:08am
6/28/2022 6:08am
It would be super cool if they had an alloy
chrome/ball burnished finish like the old Zaskar, LTS, RTS. Even a carbon frame in that color would be rad.
I wonder if it will be a high pivot? Hopefully not a heavy mofo like the 2020 model was.
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Noeserd 6/28/2022 6:50am
6/28/2022 6:50am
Hopefully quite shorter seat tubes overall?
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Erwan_Ghesquiere 6/28/2022 7:11am
6/28/2022 7:11am
Hopefully 150mm with slack geo so those that don't want an idler will have that option.
Brian_Peterson 6/28/2022 9:33am
6/28/2022 9:33am
styriabeef wrote:
New GT Sensor is definetly on the way. Saw it in Canazei, but have been asked not to take pics or spread any details. Looks good...
New GT Sensor is definetly on the way. Saw it in Canazei, but have been asked not to take pics or spread any details. Looks good as expected.
Does it look like the new Fuel ebike?
styriabeef 6/28/2022 10:21am
6/28/2022 10:21am
It actually does look like the fuel ex-e imo. I didn't recognize it at first since they didn't hide it. Don't know numbers but you are not wrong. What else can I say without saying anything. Hmmm. Mark Maurissen has his already, Kathy Winton just got hers, and Wyn and the rest of the team are about to get theirs. 😎
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RiderMikeCheck1 6/28/2022 2:24pm
6/28/2022 2:24pm
styriabeef wrote:
It actually does look like the fuel ex-e imo. I didn't recognize it at first since they didn't hide it. Don't know numbers but you are...
It actually does look like the fuel ex-e imo. I didn't recognize it at first since they didn't hide it. Don't know numbers but you are not wrong. What else can I say without saying anything. Hmmm. Mark Maurissen has his already, Kathy Winton just got hers, and Wyn and the rest of the team are about to get theirs. 😎
So it's mullet-able then.
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Phelp 6/28/2022 2:46pm
6/28/2022 2:46pm
Got to see the geo chart for Orbeas 2023 Oiz.
460 seat tube, 472 reach, 67 head angle, 76.5 seat angle, 432 chain stay length for a size large. 120mm front and back and all carbon models come with a dropper.
XL has 510 seat tube and 496 reach.
No pictures yet only fancy names for the colorways (green goblin and such).
Oiz goes DC.
TheShortestCharles 6/28/2022 11:07pm
6/28/2022 11:07pm Edited Date/Time 6/28/2022 11:12pm
As usual, I took a couple guesses as to what's hiding under the wraps on the Demo prototype. The first pic (Option A) is a true six-bar similar to the DW6 layout, while the second (Option B\) is a four-bar with a sort of MX-style shock linkage around the BB. Option A is extremely progressive, likely far too much so given the current trends away from those sorts of designs, while Option B works very well (in my humble opinion) but doesn't seem to quite line up with the photos we've seen as accurately as Option A. If anything, both of these are probably going to be completely different from the actual thing, but I thought I might as well throw a guess or two out there:








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qblambda 6/28/2022 11:55pm
6/28/2022 11:55pm Edited Date/Time 6/28/2022 11:57pm
TheShortestCharles wrote:
As usual, I took a couple guesses as to what's hiding under the wraps on the Demo prototype. The first pic (Option A) is a true...
As usual, I took a couple guesses as to what's hiding under the wraps on the Demo prototype. The first pic (Option A) is a true six-bar similar to the DW6 layout, while the second (Option B\) is a four-bar with a sort of MX-style shock linkage around the BB. Option A is extremely progressive, likely far too much so given the current trends away from those sorts of designs, while Option B works very well (in my humble opinion) but doesn't seem to quite line up with the photos we've seen as accurately as Option A. If anything, both of these are probably going to be completely different from the actual thing, but I thought I might as well throw a guess or two out there:








Given how beefy the chainstays are, I'd put my money on the MX layout. This will take so much load...
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Primoz 6/29/2022 12:20am
6/29/2022 12:20am
But that forward pivot looks a bit too forward to me. I don't think the chainstay would look like that... I'd guess the main pivot would be directly above the link pivot.

That would make the MX link harder to implement though (therefore I didn't think about this layout, so kudos on that). I had much uglier ideas about it all 😂
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JerseyMojo 6/29/2022 12:40am
6/29/2022 12:40am
Has anyone heard anything about a longer Reverb AXS? It’s been quite a few years now without any revisions…
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TheShortestCharles 6/29/2022 10:20am
6/29/2022 10:20am
Primoz wrote:
But that forward pivot looks a bit too forward to me. I don't think the chainstay would look like that... I'd guess the main pivot would...
But that forward pivot looks a bit too forward to me. I don't think the chainstay would look like that... I'd guess the main pivot would be directly above the link pivot.

That would make the MX link harder to implement though (therefore I didn't think about this layout, so kudos on that). I had much uglier ideas about it all 😂
I wasn't sure about where to put it either, but the current Enduro and Demo have it quite a bit forward of the chainring so I figured it wasn't an unreasonable assumption. My main issue with the MX one is that in the photos the chainstay itself drops all the way down behind/below the chainring, but in this concept it's the connecting link in that position.
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Primoz 6/29/2022 12:22pm
6/29/2022 12:22pm
I can't think of a good way to make everything fit without the connecting link not being at a weird angle (givent he movement of the pivot). But looking at the photo of the proto, I feel the chainstay encloses just in front of the wheel and that the main pivot is directly above what looks like another pivot point behind the BB... To make that work, a pull link has to go forwards below the downtube. That's bothering me.
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sspomer 6/29/2022 1:48pm
6/29/2022 1:48pm
JohSch wrote:
Products which are (mostly) new and would want to win a prize at Eurobike:

Bikes:
https://www.eurobike.com/de/programm-highlights/events/innovators-prize…

Parts:
https://www.eurobike.com/de/programm-highlights/events/innovators-prize…


Accs incl. helmets, etc:
https://www.eurobike.com/de/programm-highlights/events/innovators-prize…
some hilarious, some incredible stuff in there! thanks for posting!
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TheShortestCharles 6/29/2022 10:11pm
6/29/2022 10:11pm Edited Date/Time 6/29/2022 10:13pm
Alright, here's one (probably) final stab at that Demo. Took the 6-bar design and figured you could make the link right above the chainring rotate counter-clockwise, akin to a shrunken Intense JS design. Progressivity can be easily adjusted by changing the angle of the shock; as is it's only moderately progressive with a smooth ramp towards the end of the stroke. I don't think this one is all that likely, but it does seem to match what is visible in the photos, and it's anyone's guess as to what's actually under the fabric.


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Loche 6/30/2022 12:00am
6/30/2022 12:00am Edited Date/Time 6/30/2022 12:02am
JohSch wrote:
Products which are (mostly) new and would want to win a prize at Eurobike:

Bikes:
https://www.eurobike.com/de/programm-highlights/events/innovators-prize…

Parts:
https://www.eurobike.com/de/programm-highlights/events/innovators-prize…


Accs incl. helmets, etc:
https://www.eurobike.com/de/programm-highlights/events/innovators-prize…
The biggest innovation for MTBers is that TransX is working on an electronic dropper post. Might finally have a cheap option for wireless droppers. Their regular droppers are quite good and reliable.





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noideamtber 6/30/2022 2:40am
6/30/2022 2:40am
JohSch wrote:
Products which are (mostly) new and would want to win a prize at Eurobike:

Bikes:
https://www.eurobike.com/de/programm-highlights/events/innovators-prize…

Parts:
https://www.eurobike.com/de/programm-highlights/events/innovators-prize…


Accs incl. helmets, etc:
https://www.eurobike.com/de/programm-highlights/events/innovators-prize…
Loche wrote:
The biggest innovation for MTBers is that TransX is working on an electronic dropper post. Might finally have a cheap option for wireless droppers. Their regular...
The biggest innovation for MTBers is that TransX is working on an electronic dropper post. Might finally have a cheap option for wireless droppers. Their regular droppers are quite good and reliable.





wasnt this in the media awhile ago?
bike_futurist 6/30/2022 3:35am
6/30/2022 3:35am
JohSch wrote:
Products which are (mostly) new and would want to win a prize at Eurobike:

Bikes:
https://www.eurobike.com/de/programm-highlights/events/innovators-prize…

Parts:
https://www.eurobike.com/de/programm-highlights/events/innovators-prize…


Accs incl. helmets, etc:
https://www.eurobike.com/de/programm-highlights/events/innovators-prize…
Loche wrote:
The biggest innovation for MTBers is that TransX is working on an electronic dropper post. Might finally have a cheap option for wireless droppers. Their regular...
The biggest innovation for MTBers is that TransX is working on an electronic dropper post. Might finally have a cheap option for wireless droppers. Their regular droppers are quite good and reliable.





noideamtber wrote:
wasnt this in the media awhile ago?
last one I remember was x-fusion with way worse formfactor for the battery


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TallPaul_S 6/30/2022 3:56am
6/30/2022 3:56am
Loche wrote:
The biggest innovation for MTBers is that TransX is working on an electronic dropper post. Might finally have a cheap option for wireless droppers. Their regular...
The biggest innovation for MTBers is that TransX is working on an electronic dropper post. Might finally have a cheap option for wireless droppers. Their regular droppers are quite good and reliable.





That explains the electronic dropper seen a few months ago here (pic was removed)


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Craig_Nelson 6/30/2022 5:12am
6/30/2022 5:12am
Anyone here anything about a mullet Nomad being released by SC in a couple of weeks? I wouldn’t have believed it was true only it’s from a pretty reliable source
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FullSend 6/30/2022 5:41am
6/30/2022 5:41am
Anyone here heard any rumors about a new version of the Scott Ransom?

As far ahead of the curve as that bike was in 2018, others have now caught up and the Ransom could do with an update IMO.

I just hope they don't go full-on integration like they did with the Spark, Spark RC and Patron. Would also be cool if they made the TwinLoc optional.
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Primoz 6/30/2022 5:51am
6/30/2022 5:51am
Wasn't it mentioned here that both the Genius and the the Ransom will go the way of the Spark regarding shock integration?
baronKanon 6/30/2022 5:55am
6/30/2022 5:55am
FullSend wrote:
Anyone here heard any rumors about a new version of the Scott Ransom? As far ahead of the curve as that bike was in 2018, others...
Anyone here heard any rumors about a new version of the Scott Ransom?

As far ahead of the curve as that bike was in 2018, others have now caught up and the Ransom could do with an update IMO.

I just hope they don't go full-on integration like they did with the Spark, Spark RC and Patron. Would also be cool if they made the TwinLoc optional.
Far ahead of the curve is pushing it. Lagging behind is more fit:
- Inline shock on "superenduro" bike
- Twinlock
- Not that radical geometry

I think I demoed one, and it was a bag of shit to pedal and decend.
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