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This is a direct competitor to the forbidden Druid, which where I am is a commercial success.
Seems like a similar strategy to the Aurum, which was essentially the genesis to the Range (similar philosophy, different design born from lessons learned from the Aurum HP project)
Specialized has a proven that carbon high end (stumpy) and alu entry level is a viable solution to make use of different design ideas (flex stay vs. trad Horst link)
Again, just theories
Wife has a medium 2020 alloy Sight, shows 612mm for stack, which is a hair lower than my 2018 Sentinel.
Large shows as 621.
Measured, Sight stack is actual 618ish.
Some prefer it, some don’t, it’s their trailing bike, not the current enduro so it works for our purposes.
I find it interesting that people think a HP is a risk for a trail bike, seems like a good application to me. I figured a Freeride HP bike was interesting, and everyone I know that has one friggin loves it.
Different horses they say
There's also the question of how high the pivot may be. They could choose to only slightly raise the main pivot point for a more rearward than average beginning-mid stroke, and add an idler to help isolate suspension forces from the drivetrain. All while maintaining the same general horst link layout that the current Sight has. Similar to the set up on the current Fury. Or they could go pretty extreme with it like they did on the Range.
If you just don't want an idler then I get that, but otherwise there's no reason this should turn out worse for anyone than any other re-design a brand undertakes.
For sure on the HP being as per each individual but Ive owned the highlander and jekyll. ive also ridden the dreadnaught and the GT Force.
All 4 had a similar back end feeling, great for smashing but I felt it lacked Naturally agility of having chain tension(hard to explain for me but try taking your chain off a normal layout)
Honestly Not hating on HP and think it has its place solidly on Downhill bikes But i think the lack of brands still not utilizing the platform on trail/enduro Paint a clear enough picture that some brands are Happy to change over and others are not, do i think it belongs on Trail/enduro? No way. Unfortunately EWS and most trail centres are not big wide open stages/trails.
Something i like to follow is commencal even though i dont own one, over the last few years they are always developing in the wild and i think commencal being commencal if they seen a benefit to HP for enduro bikes the Meta SX for sure would've received one in this years update.
Is high pivot popular for just being different? people being happy with the benefits it provides and not worrying about what HP takes away? Im all for advancements and have welcomed every change we've seen but this HP thing still has me a bit cautious and thats based on fact of ownership and riding them.
Love chainless runs at bike parks when I get the chance. .
I’m a heavier guy myself, run a Luftkappe equipped Lyrik, and a Cascade link on my Sentinel.
I like the stack on both the Sentinel and Sight, feel identical to me in that regard.
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Expect atleast 155mm of travel on the reign, when i owned mine back last year i was told july for giants release, not sure if thats true though as never thought about them again after having two ruined carbon frames.
https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/New-COMMENCAL-META-P003-1-Prot…
Looks like the Meta is now a dual link setup? I'm too ignorant to tell if they're concentric or opposing rotation.
In those two cases the links start off co-rotating then the lower link starts to counter rotate. With the Meta it will be the opposite because the lower link is forward facing.
If you look at it from the top link's perspective, it will be pulling the swingarm and thus the lower link up over the 'hump', which will be passed once the pivots of the top link are aligned with the midpoint of the lower link. From that point on the lower link will co-rotate with the top and the front of the swingarm will start moving downwards. But as it will still be rotating clockwise (looking from the driveside), the rear axle will still be rising of course.
I have overlapped a 2022 over the new prototype for geometry comparison (scaled up with the front wheel). The wheels are lined up on the ground and BB set at the same spot horizontally. Assuming it's the same size, the new one looks :
WB is way shorter
BB slightly higher
29" wheels F/R
Chainstay length is shorter
HA is 64.0 (+/- 0.05 degrees) from what I found out in Photoshop.
STA seems pretty much identical as the 2022
ST length looks to be the same
Interesting to see where they're going! Is it the end of the longer/slacker trend?
It is in the Czech language, but Google Translate will handle that.
Looks like 70-80 mm less wheelbase anyway, and 80mm is the difference between and XL and S on the 2022s. I'd guess they wouldn't show a small or XL bike in the press release too. You're welcome to do some other photoshop renderings and share your guesses if you want, too.
https://youtu.be/W1mzKRbSudc?t=291