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5/14/2022 2:37 AM

Oh the irony of PB having the Behind the numbers series of articles, doing a deep dive into suspension geometries, then continually calling 4-bar bikes 6-bar...

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5/14/2022 7:56 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/14/2022 8:05 AM

on mick hannah's yeti 160e at missouri big mountain enduro. raw coming in a bit.

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5/14/2022 8:02 AM

with this stuff on downtube (data acq assumed)
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5/14/2022 8:08 AM

Does anybody know if there is a new Scott ransom and genius on the way and if so do they also come with the integrated shock?

side question: is there a place where people could share their ideas on suspension kinematics and where they could share the kinematics of different bikes? I would like to know the leverage curve, axle path, and anti rise of the Atherton a150.

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5/14/2022 8:12 AM

one more mick bike post
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5/14/2022 8:12 AM

Start a thread about it tongue

New Scott stuff, I think it was said in this thread that that is a yes to both, both a new one coming and having an integrated shock. At least for the genius, not sure about the Ransom (I think it holds true for the Ransom too).

About Mick, electronic shifting incoming? I wonder where the wire is going (looks to disappear under the grip). Any info about the boxes on the downtube? Just data acquisition stuff or something else besides it too?

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5/14/2022 8:27 AM

all we got was "everything else looked like normal di2"
it's in here about the 1:19 mark

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5/14/2022 1:00 PM

jasperg21 wrote:

Does anybody know if there is a new Scott ransom and genius on the way and if so do they also come with the integrated shock? ...more

https://linkagedesign.blogspot.com/
The DW6 might be difficult to model (short links) and difficult to accuately see pivot locations in photos.

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5/14/2022 1:00 PM

DonutMTB wrote:

Friend of mine noticed something different about the bike ravanel is riding in her most recent IG post and it appears to be ...more

TheShortestCharles wrote:

Either there's a linkage under that fabric, or we have another victim to Big Flex-Stay propaganda

Mandingo915 wrote:

Can you make aluminum flex stays? Gotta be linkage

The Kona Hei Hei had them.

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5/14/2022 3:56 PM

Primoz wrote:

Start a thread about it tongue

New Scott stuff, I think it was said in this thread that that is a yes to both, both a new one ...more

My scott dealer said both bikes are coming soon, both with integrated shocks, They are just finishing off ruining the suspension and adding their own "performance" bits via a special lever on the handle bar lol.

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5/14/2022 5:16 PM
Edited Date/Time: 5/14/2022 5:22 PM

jasperg21 wrote:

Does anybody know if there is a new Scott ransom and genius on the way and if so do they also come with the integrated shock? ...more

gibbon wrote:

https://linkagedesign.blogspot.com/
The DW6 might be difficult to model (short links) and difficult to accuately see pivot ...more

I'm not sure of the accuracy but he had a look at the Atherton's predecessor here.

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5/14/2022 7:08 PM

Heard from a friend of a friend that the next Sight will have a high-pivot option. Taking it with a grain of salt of course, but interesting if true.

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5/15/2022 12:05 AM

Option? How does that work?

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5/15/2022 1:49 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/15/2022 1:57 AM

Primoz wrote:

Start a thread about it tongue

New Scott stuff, I think it was said in this thread that that is a yes to both, both a new one ...more

noideamtber wrote:

My scott dealer said both bikes are coming soon, both with integrated shocks, They are just finishing off ruining the ...more

The cavity large enough to fit a piggyback/coil shock on the Ransom is going to look a bit funky.

They are going to allow you to mount piggyback and coil shocks on the Ransom... right? Right?


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5/15/2022 2:58 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/15/2022 3:08 AM

boozed wrote:

The cavity large enough to fit a piggyback/coil shock on the Ransom is going to look a bit funky.

They are going to allow you ...more

From what i was told the shock is going to be more in the downtube than the seattube(where the new bold spark is)
So i would expect piggyback and coil capable otherwise these days youll get hammerd by the Reviewers and will greatly reduce your market.
The current Bold 150 has the Nude variant shock mounted horizontally with a Bottom bracket Rotating link. Photo

Honestly, ive ridden the current Gen Genius and Ransom - both in the Tuned Version and they feel like an XC bike both up and down. They dont ride like you'd expect them to.

I've already got my name down for a 2023 ransom Frame if i can otherwise ill have to buy the base model an give everything the flick... just to get the frame.(will consider Changing to genius if they bump the travel to 160 in the front and its got modern AM Bike geo.)

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5/15/2022 7:14 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/15/2022 7:16 AM

I would hope they don’t go that route on the Ransom. It was bad enough that they current design made it hard to make adjustments if you ran a non stock shock. Putting it in the tube would be next level bad. I am not sure it great for the genius either but I can less people wanting to change the shock on that vs the Ransom. Also using the current vertical shock in tube would kill the ability to run a long dropper.

It made sense on the spark, allowing two bottles for XC , marathon DC type bike.

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5/15/2022 8:08 AM

I don't get the point and appeal of putting a shock in a tube. Adjustments are more difficult, service, installation/removal is more difficult. To my eyes they look wonky and stupid. Is it different just to be different? Its as bad as running cables through the headset..

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5/15/2022 8:32 AM

jason.west.750 wrote:

I don't get the point and appeal of putting a shock in a tube. Adjustments are more difficult, service, installation/removal ...more

Having it inside keeps it away from dirt, gnar, rain, snow and all the other stuff the world can throw at it and make it need service sooner. smile

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5/15/2022 10:25 AM

Primoz wrote:

Guessing here, but I think it should be quite a bit lower as the seatstay will still rotate a lot less than the chainstay. ...more

Is vpp like a commencal clash kids 2022

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5/15/2022 12:04 PM

"Honestly, ive ridden the current Gen Genius and Ransom - both in the Tuned Version and they feel like an XC bike both up and down. They dont ride like you'd expect them to."

Meaning good on the way up, bad on the way down? tongue
Your want of th frame makes it a bit dubious what you're trying to say with the XC bike going down to be honest.

"Having it inside keeps it away from dirt, gnar, rain, snow and all the other stuff the world can throw at it and make it need service sooner. smile"

Shocks tend to need service from their insides themselves as well... I've seen a few Super Deluxes with air in the damping chamber, there were cases with shocks having a fairly dark oil in the damper fairly quickly too, etc.

"Is vpp like a commencal clash kids 2022"
Which Commencal is a VPP?

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5/15/2022 4:32 PM

jason.west.750 wrote:

I don't get the point and appeal of putting a shock in a tube. Adjustments are more difficult, service, installation/removal ...more

hitar_potar wrote:

Having it inside keeps it away from dirt, gnar, rain, snow and all the other stuff the world can throw at it and make it need ...more

Shouldn’t matter if your seals are good and you stay on top of maintenance

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5/15/2022 8:46 PM

hitar_potar wrote:

Having it inside keeps it away from dirt, gnar, rain, snow and all the other stuff the world can throw at it and make it need ...more

I guess you've never serviced a dropper post?? You would be floored at the amount of mud and water that gets inside a frame. Unless it is completely moulded inside the carbon layup itself, nothing is completely safe from the outside.

Putting a shock inside the frame is pretty much terrible in every way I can think of

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