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10/1/2024 9:00pm

Trek really needs to sign Lachlan to the Factory team for next year, pay the kid whatever he wants. The Talent in the pits between him, Loris and Reece would be unbeatable, swagger for days!!

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10/2/2024 9:27am
astrizzle wrote:
Trek really needs to sign Lachlan to the Factory team for next year, pay the kid whatever he wants. The Talent in the pits between him...

Trek really needs to sign Lachlan to the Factory team for next year, pay the kid whatever he wants. The Talent in the pits between him, Loris and Reece would be unbeatable, swagger for days!!

Loris has long been rumored off Trek for next season, Lachie is a no-brainer for TFR.

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10/2/2024 12:22pm

US Open post-race press conference

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10/2/2024 6:27pm

Curious:  do they ever try to focus riders practice at the same time of day as their actual Finals race?  In other words, Women's Finals, 12pm, therefore, their practice times would be 11:00-1pm?

It seems that vision is a quiet topic these days, so consistency of light from practice to race seems like a legit goal.  

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lawn dart wrote:
Curious:  do they ever try to focus riders practice at the same time of day as their actual Finals race?  In other words, Women's Finals, 12pm...

Curious:  do they ever try to focus riders practice at the same time of day as their actual Finals race?  In other words, Women's Finals, 12pm, therefore, their practice times would be 11:00-1pm?

It seems that vision is a quiet topic these days, so consistency of light from practice to race seems like a legit goal.  

On the day before qualifying, the group B and A afternoon training sessions are around the same time of day as elite women's and men's finals.

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10/3/2024 7:50am

Can put a down payment on a starter home with that type of cash.  Make prize purses great again!

brash wrote:
Average home price in NZ is $900k+ sadly, a drop in the ocean. But yes, great to see the Prize purse up there. UCI needs to...

Average home price in NZ is $900k+ sadly, a drop in the ocean. But yes, great to see the Prize purse up there. UCI needs to do the same.

Want to live in Sydney Australia? You will need $1.6m AUD for the median home.

Shit is bananas. 

As long as the UCI leaves the prize purse to be boosted at the WC venue host's discretion instead of already having a sum worthy of...

As long as the UCI leaves the prize purse to be boosted at the WC venue host's discretion instead of already having a sum worthy of a world cup, this is wishful thinking. 

However, isn't it funny how these venues never actually top up the prize money to a meaningful amount? 

It's my understanding that the fees to the UCI are already one of the largest costs in putting on a WC. 

Maybe if the fees weren't so high, that money could be used for prizes. 

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10/3/2024 10:39am Edited Date/Time 10/3/2024 10:40am
LePigPen wrote:
we still never got to see a flip at a uci race. kaos said if he qualied in snowshoe (2019?) he'd flip the first jump instead...

we still never got to see a flip at a uci race. kaos said if he qualied in snowshoe (2019?) he'd flip the first jump instead of the skip everyone was doin

the tomfoolery he pulls on the old rampage course when it was more trick jumps and less youtube click bait shit was epic. ya im missin kaos n kade at the WCs

Issac attempted a back flip at the Snowshoe World Cup double header a couple years ago.

LePigPen wrote:
Not in finals right? The whole issue is the guys able to flip often aren't the guys making qualies. Well. Except for Rennie but I don't...

Not in finals right? The whole issue is the guys able to flip often aren't the guys making qualies. Well. Except for Rennie but I don't think he committed to throwing away a finals race with a flip necessarily. Need Spomer lore on this lol

I believe it was, in fact, in finals; and on his homemade bike, at that. However, it was an attempt that ultimately ended in eating shit. Not a great backflip jump haha. 

A quote from the other site, "Pretty much I decided yesterday I was going to go back after this race and probably not really race anymore, so I figured I’d try to get a race run flip before I lost my chance. Kinda called it out before going back to look at the jump, so by the time I scoped it out and saw how flat it actually was, I’d already kindof commited. Convinced myself it was possible by the time practice was over so I just went for it in my race run haha. Obviously didnt work out amazingly, but I'm stoked I tried."

It's mentioned in the Vital finals post from that specific race, second bullet point. 
https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/news/FINAL-RESULTS-Snowshoe-World-Cup-DH-Race-1,1395

And it's on his Instagram.
 

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Issac attempted a back flip at the Snowshoe World Cup double header a couple years ago.

LePigPen wrote:
Not in finals right? The whole issue is the guys able to flip often aren't the guys making qualies. Well. Except for Rennie but I don't...

Not in finals right? The whole issue is the guys able to flip often aren't the guys making qualies. Well. Except for Rennie but I don't think he committed to throwing away a finals race with a flip necessarily. Need Spomer lore on this lol

mckpat03 wrote:
I believe it was, in fact, in finals; and on his homemade bike, at that. However, it was an attempt that ultimately ended in eating shit...

I believe it was, in fact, in finals; and on his homemade bike, at that. However, it was an attempt that ultimately ended in eating shit. Not a great backflip jump haha. 

A quote from the other site, "Pretty much I decided yesterday I was going to go back after this race and probably not really race anymore, so I figured I’d try to get a race run flip before I lost my chance. Kinda called it out before going back to look at the jump, so by the time I scoped it out and saw how flat it actually was, I’d already kindof commited. Convinced myself it was possible by the time practice was over so I just went for it in my race run haha. Obviously didnt work out amazingly, but I'm stoked I tried."

It's mentioned in the Vital finals post from that specific race, second bullet point. 
https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/news/FINAL-RESULTS-Snowshoe-World-Cup-DH-Race-1,1395

And it's on his Instagram.
 

Oof I actually remember seeing this now. Ya that's not quite the jump I'd call someone on to for a flip lol. Legend for the send but especially on a race DH bike that's probably how that one was gonna go lol. Borderline anti hop lip. Rear suspension probably trying to suck in rebound before it left the wood.

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10/6/2024 8:29am

Any one know why it looked like Womens overall podium was top 5 and Men’s was top 3

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10/6/2024 4:56pm
mfoga wrote:

Any one know why it looked like Womens overall podium was top 5 and Men’s was top 3

My guess is they still see the women’s side as still growing and want to help the careers of four and five.  Where men’s is pretty grown so they just don’t care about those guys.

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10/7/2024 2:27am

It looked on Nina and Myriam that they were not prepared for it really, coming from the crowd... Maybe someone messed up, they had to get extra bottles for bubbly for them as well it looked like.

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10/8/2024 5:40am Edited Date/Time 10/8/2024 11:42am
mfoga wrote:

Any one know why it looked like Womens overall podium was top 5 and Men’s was top 3

As an event announcer myself I will say it is totally plausible that the announcer forgot in the moment it was top 3 for the overall.  Even at the world cup level no one gives the announcers a script of the podiums, they just get an overall points sheet for the updated overall standings and then call the appropriate numbers of riders to that podium for each class.  There are a lot of podiums at the final race, so easy for something to slip...

Based on Marcus J's observation that Myriam and Nina weren't ready and the champagne bottles had to be scrounged around for, sounds like it could have been an honest mistake that they just rolled with in the moment.

 

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10/8/2024 7:37pm

So on Gwin's stories he is at what I understand is Whiteface. Looking at one of the pictures he is near the White face quad. 

Using the Whiteface Quad alone would not give the elevation for a WC track (approx 400m vert) They would need to use the next quad (Summit Quad) to gain more elevation (up to 965m vert) or go the other way & use the Gondola to the Little Whiteface Peak give them approx 713m Vert for the track.

I've never been there or know the terrain, but it seems the vert is there, and the Pics from Gwin look cool. Let's hope the track they build is exciting to race on.

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10/11/2024 5:13pm
deeboy wrote:
So on Gwin's stories he is at what I understand is Whiteface. Looking at one of the pictures he is near the White face quad. Using the...

So on Gwin's stories he is at what I understand is Whiteface. Looking at one of the pictures he is near the White face quad. 

Using the Whiteface Quad alone would not give the elevation for a WC track (approx 400m vert) They would need to use the next quad (Summit Quad) to gain more elevation (up to 965m vert) or go the other way & use the Gondola to the Little Whiteface Peak give them approx 713m Vert for the track.

I've never been there or know the terrain, but it seems the vert is there, and the Pics from Gwin look cool. Let's hope the track they build is exciting to race on.

The UCI doesn't specify an elevation change for DH, only that it must descend (hah!)

I don't know which event had the least drop, but the Canberra world cup and world champs made do with 180 metres over 1.5 km.

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10/12/2024 4:46am
boozed wrote:
The UCI doesn't specify an elevation change for DH, only that it must descend (hah!)I don't know which event had the least drop, but the Canberra...

The UCI doesn't specify an elevation change for DH, only that it must descend (hah!)

I don't know which event had the least drop, but the Canberra world cup and world champs made do with 180 metres over 1.5 km.

Canberra was horrific 🤣

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10/14/2024 8:54am
boozed wrote:
The UCI doesn't specify an elevation change for DH, only that it must descend (hah!)I don't know which event had the least drop, but the Canberra...

The UCI doesn't specify an elevation change for DH, only that it must descend (hah!)

I don't know which event had the least drop, but the Canberra world cup and world champs made do with 180 metres over 1.5 km.

Mr.Nally wrote:

Canberra was horrific 🤣

there was racing in Windham too, almost under 2min long

I guess for TV, they like short intense tracks. Also much easier to set up cameras etc on a smaller hill.
400m of elevation is in line with most racetracks in europe if im not mistaking

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10/14/2024 9:09am
boozed wrote:
The UCI doesn't specify an elevation change for DH, only that it must descend (hah!)I don't know which event had the least drop, but the Canberra...

The UCI doesn't specify an elevation change for DH, only that it must descend (hah!)

I don't know which event had the least drop, but the Canberra world cup and world champs made do with 180 metres over 1.5 km.

Mr.Nally wrote:

Canberra was horrific 🤣

Petder wrote:
there was racing in Windham too, almost under 2min longI guess for TV, they like short intense tracks. Also much easier to set up cameras etc...

there was racing in Windham too, almost under 2min long

I guess for TV, they like short intense tracks. Also much easier to set up cameras etc on a smaller hill.
400m of elevation is in line with most racetracks in europe if im not mistaking

The 2012 (I think) Windham race was the first WC I ever attended. Had a front row seat to someone snapping their arm in two in the rock garden. 

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10/15/2024 3:23am
boozed wrote:
The UCI doesn't specify an elevation change for DH, only that it must descend (hah!)I don't know which event had the least drop, but the Canberra...

The UCI doesn't specify an elevation change for DH, only that it must descend (hah!)

I don't know which event had the least drop, but the Canberra world cup and world champs made do with 180 metres over 1.5 km.

Mr.Nally wrote:

Canberra was horrific 🤣

Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, by the sound of it) I wasn't even aware of it at the time

There's a bit more infrastructure there these days including a cafe and bar at the trailhead, but it's the same mountain.

10/15/2024 5:01am

I posted this over in the 2025 thread, but since y'all were speculating I thought you'd like to see: 

Somebody I know knows the management at Whiteface, so I got some info on the Lake Placid race course. Top of Lower McKenzie, though the glades, jumps off mid station, into Stag Brook, across Fox, then finishes at the bottom of the gondola.IMG 3960

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10/18/2024 12:45am

Vali didn't have it all her own way to end the season, but she did win it all regardless.

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10/20/2024 1:38pm Edited Date/Time 10/20/2024 1:50pm

Really enjoyed that, some great racing and always good to hear Rob's dulcet tones. 

Interesting what BK said about rumours of a world series next year. I like to think it wouldn't have been left in the broadcast if it wasn't happening.

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I posted this over in the 2025 thread, but since y'all were speculating I thought you'd like to see: Somebody I know knows the management at Whiteface...

I posted this over in the 2025 thread, but since y'all were speculating I thought you'd like to see: 

Somebody I know knows the management at Whiteface, so I got some info on the Lake Placid race course. Top of Lower McKenzie, though the glades, jumps off mid station, into Stag Brook, across Fox, then finishes at the bottom of the gondola.IMG 3960

I wish they'd run the 5k race again:

image 71

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Collegiate Nats in Bentonville, November 14-17. PR below

USA Cycling

Bentonville to Host 2024 USA Cycling Collegiate Mountain Bike National Championships

Collegiate Mountain Bike Nationals will be moved to Bentonville, Arkansas, November 14-17 after Hurricane Helene forced postponement.

BENTONVILLE, Ark. - October 30, 2024 - The 2024 USA Cycling Collegiate Mountain Bike National Championships, originally scheduled for October 24-27 at Ride Rock Creek in Zirconia, North Carolina, will be moved to Bentonville, Arkansas, November 14-17, 2024. Registration will open on October 31, 2024, at 9:00 am MT.

“We're excited to still be able to host Collegiate Mountain Bike Nationals this year, despite the postponement due to Hurricane Helene. We understand how much training and racing these collegiate athletes have done leading up to this point, so we’re glad they will have the opportunity to still compete at nationals this semester. Bentonville has stepped up in a huge way to help us make this happen,” said Kyle Knott, USA Cycling’s Director of National Events.

The event will crown Varsity and Club National Champions in Cross-Country, Short Track, Downhill, Dual Slalom, and Team Relay. An Omnium National Title will also be awarded to the best overall Varsity and Club teams at the end of the weekend. Spectators can expect four action-packed days of racing. The marquee events include:

Thursday: Dual Slalom finals and awards.

Friday: Cross-Country finals and awards.

Saturday: Short Track finals and awards. 

Sunday: Downhill finals and awards. Team Relay finals and awards.

The full race schedule can be found here.

“We are honored to welcome the 2024 USA Cycling Collegiate Mountain Bike National Championship to Bentonville.” said Kalene Griffith, president and CEO of Visit Bentonville.

“It is unfortunate that the event was unable to proceed in North Carolina due to the impact of the hurricane and our heart goes out to them. We are fully committed to supporting these talented athletes and ensuring they have a memorable experience here. Bentonville is ready to provide a warm welcome along with an exciting weekend of competition and fun.”

For event updates and additional resources, refer to the USA Cycling Collegiate Mountain Bike National Championships event page as it will continue to be updated leading into the event.

For more information, contact the USA Cycling National Events team at nationalevents@usacycling.org

ABOUT VISIT BENTONVILLE (visitbentonville.com)

Visit Bentonville is funded by the Bentonville Advertising and Promotion Commission which was established in 1996. The commission is supported by a 2% tax on lodging and meeting space and a 1% tax on restaurant and dining establishments. The organization's mission is to brand, promote and sell Bentonville as a tourism destination, improving quality of life and stimulating economic development. Visit Bentonville leads the planning of sports, meetings and group tours while also marketing leisure experiences that include arts, cycling, culinary, film, music, and aviation. Visit Bentonville also collaborates with tourism offices throughout the state of Arkansas to create positive economic impact while increasing tourism amenities for both visitors and residents.

For more information, visit https://www.visitbentonville.com/.

ABOUT USA CYCLING (usacycling.org)

USA Cycling is the national governing body for the sport of cycling and oversees the disciplines of road, track, mountain bike, cyclocross, gravel, BMX, and esports. USA Cycling’s mission is to grow participation and engagement with the sport of bicycle racing and achieve sustained international success across all cycling disciplines. USA Cycling supports cyclists of all levels and abilities, from those just beginning in the sport to international caliber athletes. The organization identifies, develops, and selects cyclists to represent the United States in international competition through the support of youth and interscholastic programs, amateur and grassroots bike racing events, athlete development programs, and operational support for cycling clubs, racing teams, and event organizers. USA Cycling has a membership of 80,000, sanctions over 2,500 events annually, and is a member of the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) and United States Olympic & Paralympic Committee (USOPC).

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10/31/2024 8:42am

Gwin and Dak are holding a race clinic at Windrock, Nov 23 and 24 - $798.98 for two days

Aaron Gwin & Dakotah Norton Race Clinic

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/aaron-gwin-dakotah-norton-race-clinic-registration-1024403357017

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Join us for an exciting two-day intermediate/advanced mountain bike clinic with 5x World Cup Champion, Aaron Gwin and 2x National Champion, Dakotah Norton! This special event is for riders who want to improve their skills and lower their race times with guidance from two top world-cup racers.

This clinic is a great chance to learn from Aaron and Dakotah's extensive experience. Whether you're preparing for a race or just want to improve your bike skills and speed, this is an amazing opportunity. Spaces are limited to maximize the benefit of each rider, so sign up today.

9:00 AM - 4:00 PM

Day 1: Mastering the Fundamentals

The clinic will start with a morning bike set up and review where Aaron, Dakotah and World Cup mechanic, James McAllister will review each rider's bike set up. They will offer guidance on improvements that will enhance your bike's performance and rider comfort. They will then spend the day guiding you through drills and riding sessions to enhance your balance, control, and efficiency on the bike. You'll receive personalized feedback as you tackle different obstacles and terrain. Day 1 is all about riding technique and understanding the fundamentals that will set you up to be successful for day 2.
 

9:00 AM - 4:00 PM

Day 2: Race Strategy and Performance (Going fast on the clock)

Day two begins with a session on race strategy and mental preparation. Aaron and Dakotah will share their experiences on race day routines and how to perform your best under pressure. There will also be a short Q&A session during this time where riders are encouraged to ask specific questions to help identify areas of desired improvement. The riding on day 2 two is all about finding time on track. This will include a deep dive into line selection, race strategy, and learning the most important techniques to drop your race times. Riders will learn to increase their overall speed on track without increasing the risk of mistakes by understanding truly where time is made and lost on course.
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10/31/2024 8:47am

Stoked to see the course they put together for collegiate dh nationals, surely someone wont win it on a down country bike. 

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10/31/2024 8:55am Edited Date/Time 10/31/2024 9:07am

Stoked to see the course they put together for collegiate dh nationals, surely someone wont win it on a down country bike. 

They'll likely go 45 min down the road to eureka or 2 hrs to nebo (and have to build a new coherent line) for that one. Not ideal in my mind for a national level event but hell of a lot better then Bville for gravity. 

Otherwise the event will suck but we will be given the best internet makes fun of Bentonville material yet. I'm all about the hilarity, but not at the expense of a student racers experience. 

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