Vital article from a while back at the Chinese bike show this year. Chatted with my local shop in regards to WR1 and they aren’t doing...
Vital article from a while back at the Chinese bike show this year. Chatted with my local shop in regards to WR1 and they aren’t doing frame replacements unless catastrophic failure. Frames are being sent to a company in Vancouver for carbon repair. Molds apparently are being sold to Sava Cycles and they will be flying the bikes under them and not WR1. Below pictured is the proto dh WR1 but now Sava will be bringing it to production in the distant future.
Was having a look on their website and back end of this bike looks suspiciously similar to the arrival. That's funny
Yeah I've had similar chats with several people, and history has shown if you want to introduce new technology it doesn't really matter what it does...
Yeah I've had similar chats with several people, and history has shown if you want to introduce new technology it doesn't really matter what it does well, the most important thing is it doesn't do anything worse. The Trust forks could have improved, and Weagle did acknowledge some of the mistakes, there was just no way for it to really get the chance especially with the pandemic. I thought it would have had potential for different linkage lengths or damper/spring mounting positions to tune the feel of them, which might mean changing to aluminium instead of carbon but at least you get some choice over the amount of anti-dive and compliance in the chassis
A potential benefit of the no-dive brake arm on the Intend fork over the USE, Trust, AMP, Girvin, etc solutions might be that it's only countering brake dive. The suspension travel itself is a telescopic action so will be entirely familiar until you pull the brake.
Improvements over the familiar telescopic action may some day be possible, but I wonder whether making travel more rearward won't always reduce sensitivity to vertical bumps - that vertical travel is what's fundamental to dealing with vertical obstacles*. Perhaps poor bump sensitivity was somewhat by design on the Girvin fork because it's elastomers were essentially undamped, so the fork could feel somewhat locked-out until you applied the front brake.
* yes, horizontal travel can modify the frequency of an impact, but having brake activated wheelbase adjustments doesn't seem desirable to me in all situations.
Am I thinking correctly that under braking any antidive fork will also feel stiffer? I mean yeah, a telescopic fork will dive and be stiffer by the nature of where it sits in the travel, but it is not really affected by the brake from that point on. With an anti dive geometry, when you're on the brakes and ride over a bump, the mechanism will (by nature) rotate the caliper backwards effectively increasing the speed of the rotor relative to the caliper and it seems to me that could cause some jerking when on the brakes...
Am I thinking correctly that under braking any antidive fork will also feel stiffer? I mean yeah, a telescopic fork will dive and be stiffer by...
Am I thinking correctly that under braking any antidive fork will also feel stiffer? I mean yeah, a telescopic fork will dive and be stiffer by the nature of where it sits in the travel, but it is not really affected by the brake from that point on. With an anti dive geometry, when you're on the brakes and ride over a bump, the mechanism will (by nature) rotate the caliper backwards effectively increasing the speed of the rotor relative to the caliper and it seems to me that could cause some jerking when on the brakes...
In the same way that on rear suspension anti-squat is stiffer when pedaling. I don’t really think of it as ‘stiffness’, but I’ve met many people who describe it this way.
If the squat and anti-squat, or rise and anti-rise, or dive and anti-dive forces cancel out, it will reduce chassis pitching (arguably keeping some pitching is good for proprioception), and it should keep forks riding higher where the spring is softer. Also it might be possible to tune for less LSC if it’s purpose had been to provide anti-dive).
Yeah, I get that part, but I guess people might have an issue with inconsistency being on and off whatever is causing pitch - on or off pedals (antisquat) or brakes (rise/dive).
The reason I pointed out that there could be some jerking in the braking force in the antidive setup is that if that is actually happening (not sure about it), it could cause problems with threshold braking on slippery surfaces. I guess it might be a thing in the rear already, but I think it'd be much more pronounced jn the front due to the effect of losing traction of the front wheel vs. rear.
I've always thought most of the stiffer feelings under braking were caused by binding as the fork deflects rearward.. Maybe not as bad with the bigger forks of today, buts still noticeable..
Not a rumor and not innovation per se, but yeah - Öhlins just unveiled their new visual identity. Y'all probably still don't know how to pronounce it though... :-)
Not a rumor and not innovation per se, but yeah - Öhlins just unveiled their new visual identity. Y'all probably still don't know how to pronounce...
Not a rumor and not innovation per se, but yeah - Öhlins just unveiled their new visual identity. Y'all probably still don't know how to pronounce it though... :-)
Yeah, I get that part, but I guess people might have an issue with inconsistency being on and off whatever is causing pitch - on or...
Yeah, I get that part, but I guess people might have an issue with inconsistency being on and off whatever is causing pitch - on or off pedals (antisquat) or brakes (rise/dive).
The reason I pointed out that there could be some jerking in the braking force in the antidive setup is that if that is actually happening (not sure about it), it could cause problems with threshold braking on slippery surfaces. I guess it might be a thing in the rear already, but I think it'd be much more pronounced jn the front due to the effect of losing traction of the front wheel vs. rear.
Applying the front brake on our current bikes results in around a 100% pro dive situation, meaning that what we all currently experience is inconsistency/pitching. The goal of this brake arm is to reduce that - it's just a front suspension version of the floating brake arm DHers sometimes pair with high pivot rear swingarms to reduce brake induced packing.
The relevant pages about this from the Motorcycle Chassis Design book are public on Tony Foale's website: https://motochassis.com/Articles/Dive/DIVE.htm IRC he's written elsewhere that completely eliminating dive results in a disconnected feeling, but perhaps as with antisquat the most desirable solution lies somewhere between -100% and 0%.
Vital article from a while back at the Chinese bike show this year. Chatted with my local shop in regards to WR1 and they aren’t doing...
Vital article from a while back at the Chinese bike show this year. Chatted with my local shop in regards to WR1 and they aren’t doing frame replacements unless catastrophic failure. Frames are being sent to a company in Vancouver for carbon repair. Molds apparently are being sold to Sava Cycles and they will be flying the bikes under them and not WR1. Below pictured is the proto dh WR1 but now Sava will be bringing it to production in the distant future.
Was having a look on their website and back end of this bike looks suspiciously similar to the arrival. That's funny
Was having a look on their website and back end of this bike looks suspiciously similar to the arrival. That's funny
Well at least the Arrival and the DH proto are better frames than the open mold stuff they seem to be selling now. I guess it's good the IP isn't lost, but also at the same time... I think something could be said about damage to the legacy. Or maybe it'll make the Canadian made ones more special?
As a side note, now maybe someone will be able to get an Arrival equivalent in a bike that isn't matte black, matte olive, matte sand, or matte concrete. Dustin sure hated colours.
EDIT: Seeing how Chinese companies have no issue attempting direct knockoffs of popular bikes such as the Hightower, Scott Spark, and even the high pivot Range, I'm somewhat skeptical they've actually been sold to Sava rather than Sava simply.... just trying to copy it on their own. The linkage on that Sava proto look like shit (and are clearly in different places) compared to the WR1 version, which is usually where you see some of the biggest differences.
Vital article from a while back at the Chinese bike show this year. Chatted with my local shop in regards to WR1 and they aren’t doing...
Vital article from a while back at the Chinese bike show this year. Chatted with my local shop in regards to WR1 and they aren’t doing frame replacements unless catastrophic failure. Frames are being sent to a company in Vancouver for carbon repair. Molds apparently are being sold to Sava Cycles and they will be flying the bikes under them and not WR1. Below pictured is the proto dh WR1 but now Sava will be bringing it to production in the distant future.
Well at least the Arrival and the DH proto are better frames than the open mold stuff they seem to be selling now. I guess it's...
Well at least the Arrival and the DH proto are better frames than the open mold stuff they seem to be selling now. I guess it's good the IP isn't lost, but also at the same time... I think something could be said about damage to the legacy. Or maybe it'll make the Canadian made ones more special?
As a side note, now maybe someone will be able to get an Arrival equivalent in a bike that isn't matte black, matte olive, matte sand, or matte concrete. Dustin sure hated colours.
EDIT: Seeing how Chinese companies have no issue attempting direct knockoffs of popular bikes such as the Hightower, Scott Spark, and even the high pivot Range, I'm somewhat skeptical they've actually been sold to Sava rather than Sava simply.... just trying to copy it on their own. The linkage on that Sava proto look like shit (and are clearly in different places) compared to the WR1 version, which is usually where you see some of the biggest differences.
Kinda bummed if they actually sold off the molds and IP on the frames to a no name China bike co.
Holding out hope that in a couple years they'd keep tinkering away in the background on frame design / manufacturing techniques to make a low volume made in Kamloops frame work financially.
Stuff like this is so cool. No, I don't think Cameron's product is ready for sale today (obviously), but I love seeing creative people making something happen. Hope he's able to stick with this and develop it more. Seems like he's got a bright future ahead of him.
And, in a perfect world, if he's able to work out smaller and lighter packaging and dial in his accelerometer settings so it doesn't randomly go off in the carpark, who wouldn't want an airbag neck brace for nasty crashes?
Saw MTBnews post this new/prototype 32" bike from "Dead Rabbit"
I cant for the life of me figure out what the dropper post is though. Does anyone have a clue? Its not a bikeyoke revive limited, and its not a pnw silver ltd version either.
Saw MTBnews post this new/prototype 32" bike from "Dead Rabbit"I cant for the life of me figure out what the dropper post is though. Does anyone...
Saw MTBnews post this new/prototype 32" bike from "Dead Rabbit"
I cant for the life of me figure out what the dropper post is though. Does anyone have a clue? Its not a bikeyoke revive limited, and its not a pnw silver ltd version either.
Saw MTBnews post this new/prototype 32" bike from "Dead Rabbit"I cant for the life of me figure out what the dropper post is though. Does anyone...
Saw MTBnews post this new/prototype 32" bike from "Dead Rabbit"
I cant for the life of me figure out what the dropper post is though. Does anyone have a clue? Its not a bikeyoke revive limited, and its not a pnw silver ltd version either.
Saw MTBnews post this new/prototype 32" bike from "Dead Rabbit"I cant for the life of me figure out what the dropper post is though. Does anyone...
Saw MTBnews post this new/prototype 32" bike from "Dead Rabbit"
I cant for the life of me figure out what the dropper post is though. Does anyone have a clue? Its not a bikeyoke revive limited, and its not a pnw silver ltd version either.
Was having a look on their website and back end of this bike looks suspiciously similar to the arrival. That's funny
A potential benefit of the no-dive brake arm on the Intend fork over the USE, Trust, AMP, Girvin, etc solutions might be that it's only countering brake dive. The suspension travel itself is a telescopic action so will be entirely familiar until you pull the brake.
Improvements over the familiar telescopic action may some day be possible, but I wonder whether making travel more rearward won't always reduce sensitivity to vertical bumps - that vertical travel is what's fundamental to dealing with vertical obstacles*. Perhaps poor bump sensitivity was somewhat by design on the Girvin fork because it's elastomers were essentially undamped, so the fork could feel somewhat locked-out until you applied the front brake.
* yes, horizontal travel can modify the frequency of an impact, but having brake activated wheelbase adjustments doesn't seem desirable to me in all situations.
Am I thinking correctly that under braking any antidive fork will also feel stiffer? I mean yeah, a telescopic fork will dive and be stiffer by the nature of where it sits in the travel, but it is not really affected by the brake from that point on. With an anti dive geometry, when you're on the brakes and ride over a bump, the mechanism will (by nature) rotate the caliper backwards effectively increasing the speed of the rotor relative to the caliper and it seems to me that could cause some jerking when on the brakes...
I think there is a similar Idea out there but the guy literally built this with a sodastream bottle
https://youtu.be/0VSFb4Dejwo?si=aD-gbel-ksmkDJGm
Maybe I missed it and someone posted it already but found this honda ebike :
In the same way that on rear suspension anti-squat is stiffer when pedaling. I don’t really think of it as ‘stiffness’, but I’ve met many people who describe it this way.
If the squat and anti-squat, or rise and anti-rise, or dive and anti-dive forces cancel out, it will reduce chassis pitching (arguably keeping some pitching is good for proprioception), and it should keep forks riding higher where the spring is softer. Also it might be possible to tune for less LSC if it’s purpose had been to provide anti-dive).
Yeah, I get that part, but I guess people might have an issue with inconsistency being on and off whatever is causing pitch - on or off pedals (antisquat) or brakes (rise/dive).
The reason I pointed out that there could be some jerking in the braking force in the antidive setup is that if that is actually happening (not sure about it), it could cause problems with threshold braking on slippery surfaces. I guess it might be a thing in the rear already, but I think it'd be much more pronounced jn the front due to the effect of losing traction of the front wheel vs. rear.
All tried. All crap. All gone.
I've always thought most of the stiffer feelings under braking were caused by binding as the fork deflects rearward.. Maybe not as bad with the bigger forks of today, buts still noticeable..
Not a rumor and not innovation per se, but yeah - Öhlins just unveiled their new visual identity. Y'all probably still don't know how to pronounce it though... :-)
https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/ohlins-unveils-new-visual-identity.
Ohhh, come on, "soul of heritage" is kinda boring, they should have gone with "MTB Tech Rumors and Innovation" instead 🤣
Ö >>>> that belly button new flanged nonsense. It Iooks IA generated.
don’t we have an extra thread for ai marketing?
Ol’ ins?
Given the marketing of some companies, Ai stuff might be an improvement..
So forgettable. They didn't even include the umlaut...
Applying the front brake on our current bikes results in around a 100% pro dive situation, meaning that what we all currently experience is inconsistency/pitching. The goal of this brake arm is to reduce that - it's just a front suspension version of the floating brake arm DHers sometimes pair with high pivot rear swingarms to reduce brake induced packing.
The relevant pages about this from the Motorcycle Chassis Design book are public on Tony Foale's website: https://motochassis.com/Articles/Dive/DIVE.htm IRC he's written elsewhere that completely eliminating dive results in a disconnected feeling, but perhaps as with antisquat the most desirable solution lies somewhere between -100% and 0%.
Giant must have a release of something coming out soon. A few media guys have posted IG snippets of being at the Giant HQ is Taiwan right now.
Well at least the Arrival and the DH proto are better frames than the open mold stuff they seem to be selling now. I guess it's good the IP isn't lost, but also at the same time... I think something could be said about damage to the legacy. Or maybe it'll make the Canadian made ones more special?
As a side note, now maybe someone will be able to get an Arrival equivalent in a bike that isn't matte black, matte olive, matte sand, or matte concrete. Dustin sure hated colours.
EDIT: Seeing how Chinese companies have no issue attempting direct knockoffs of popular bikes such as the Hightower, Scott Spark, and even the high pivot Range, I'm somewhat skeptical they've actually been sold to Sava rather than Sava simply.... just trying to copy it on their own. The linkage on that Sava proto look like shit (and are clearly in different places) compared to the WR1 version, which is usually where you see some of the biggest differences.
New Anthem and Liv Pique, possibly a new alloy ebike if it is ready yet (alloy Trance E+ and alloy Reign E+ have been discontinued AFAIA)
I can't remember if it's been mentioned, but sounds like the Forbidden e-Dreadnought will be aluminum and they're also working on a short travel bike.
Kinda bummed if they actually sold off the molds and IP on the frames to a no name China bike co.
Holding out hope that in a couple years they'd keep tinkering away in the background on frame design / manufacturing techniques to make a low volume made in Kamloops frame work financially.
Guess that would fit with the rumor of having the Avinox M2 with alloy (heavier) frame
Giant will stop manufacturing bicycles and shift all R&D and manufacturing to pickleball paddles.
Stuff like this is so cool. No, I don't think Cameron's product is ready for sale today (obviously), but I love seeing creative people making something happen. Hope he's able to stick with this and develop it more. Seems like he's got a bright future ahead of him.
And, in a perfect world, if he's able to work out smaller and lighter packaging and dial in his accelerometer settings so it doesn't randomly go off in the carpark, who wouldn't want an airbag neck brace for nasty crashes?
Preach.
The original ö is ubiquitous. Now it's just random "transportation startup" chevrons. No-one will know what this is in isolation.
Saw MTBnews post this new/prototype 32" bike from "Dead Rabbit"
I cant for the life of me figure out what the dropper post is though. Does anyone have a clue? Its not a bikeyoke revive limited, and its not a pnw silver ltd version either.
still waiting for our first enduro or dh 32!!
Maybe the Intend dropper?
Totally different
Nope, their dropper is that "champagne" color they user for most of their stuff
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Pic borrowed from TEBP