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I have enjoyed these as well however the rear tire will wear quickly in my experience but its very grippy (7 days of riding in finale will put it in a shape you could still ride it but some people would replace it.)
The new dissector looks great, finally maxxis has something to compete with the eliminator. Maxxis has the advantage of so many casing and compound options and the wide availability, i think itll be a really good tire.
I picked up a set of Conti Kryptos DH SS to take my trail bike to the park. I know theyre old news now, but damn i was really impressed. Traction was everything i had hoped for, and they look like theyre going to wear gradually. I went for a couple trail rides with them, and was surprised that they didnt feel nearly as heavy and slow as i was expecting comared to my current butcher t9/eliminator t9 both trail casings. The wheels that the contis are on are pretty basic, and the difference in wheels was more noticible than the tires.
Does anyone know if Maxxis is planning to release the new High Roller in MaxxTerra version? Love this tire out in front but I'd like Maxxterra in back for longer life.
How does the MS compare as a front tire - is it more 'always on' grip like the magic marry?
The MH up front was good, but definitely had a bit of a dead zone where it liked to be leaned over (not as much lean as a tacky chan imo).
very Magic Mary-ish indeed...little bit more supple than the DH22 definitively, which is good thing for slower enduroish tracks, not a bikepark ripper schralper ..
Hey everyone. I currently have the Nobby Nic Superground Soft 2.4 (Fr) and Crossking 2.3 (Rear) in my Top Fuel 8 and I mainly have been riding trails and light enduro with this bike (occasionally longer pedaling on dirt road, to get to some trails). I'm looking to change this set to NN supertrail speedgrip (rear) and a more aggressive in the front, but I'm limiting the weight to a max 1100 gr on this one. I was thinking about the Magic Mary 2.4 Superground (~1040gr), has anyone tried it? I do not see reviews on it, these are mostly on the Supertrail version (this one is close to 1200 gr, I'm not a weight weenie, but for me this is too heavy already).
note: Another option would be Kenda Hellkat 2.4 ATC and Pirelli Scorpion Wild Enduro M 2.4 (Prowall), would appreciate any opinion on these also.
29x2.40 Super Ground Mary (1040g) gets it 110g weight savings from the missing apex layer found in a Super Trail Mary (1150g).
Otherwise they are identical.
Apex helps to support sidewall in cornering, and mitigate snake bites mainly.
I talked earlier in the thread about the 29x2.25 Mary having a 2:2:2 tread pattern. It's pretty fun and light (910g), and was featured on many downcountry builds if you are ok with less volume. It also cheap as right now.
Thanks for the suggestion. The weight of 1150g is acceptable for me, so I could go for the Supertrail. But I see some local bike stores stating in their websites that this tire has around 1220 gr (for the 2.4"), then in this case the bar already raised too much, maybe they are wrong or considering too much margin on this weight (i'll reach out to them to verify). Anyway, the Superground I can only get importing it*...so the cost would increase in this case (import taxes are high here).
*same thing for the Maxxis Assegai 2.5 3c maxxterra 3ct/exo/tr (also weight less than 1100 gr -supposedly). The Kenda Hellkat and Pirelli Scorpion Enduro M I can also find on local stores, no need to import, and the reviews on them are generally good.
If you are ok with 1150g, the 29x2.50 Albert Trail Pro Radial isn't far off at 1180g.
A radial tire, even just at the front, would up the capability enough that you reconsider the importance of weight vs performance.
I've been running the new Dissector in the rear (MaxxGrip DoubleDown) the past three days in Whistler. Here is a wear update at 57 miles, 10,600 ft climbing and 15,000 ft descending.
Initial thoughts: Sick rear tire for down country and trail riding. Side lugs have good support, transit knobs add consistency when leaning over, and it rolls nice and fast. It's also got deep enough knobs that it can grab traction in moderately loose/mixed soil. I've really enjoyed how it allows my rear wheel to settle through supported corners. My rear wheel will slightly break loose and whip around a turn, but the side knobs will catch before the tire fully steps out. It doesn't have as much braking bite as a DHR2, but that's to be expected and okay. I haven't tried it in the front, and I think I'd reserve that for a short travel bike or if I was riding mostly low angle, flowing, smooth trails.
I haven't done any bike park laps yet for fear that my hands will literally fall off after riding so much the past week, but I'd suspect it makes a sick rear tire for jump trails since it rolls fast and corners well.
Jesus, the wear on it already. I've said this to some friends: if I had free tires, I'd run MG all the time. But they just disintegrate in the rear. It lasts ok up front but still less than others. Are they at least offering them in DD/MT at launch? I heard they're not even selling them in 27.5, so targeting more of a trail crowd than enduro/freeride.
Yes DD/MT is available. Also, keep in mind Whistler is extra hard on tires.
Do you know when these are going to be on sale? I'm due for a new rear tire soon and these look like exactly what I want lol
I honestly think it’s holding up really well. I should be running a MaxTerra rear, which would fair even better than MaxxGrip. It would take me a few weeks of riding to get 15k descending back in SoCal, so considering the accelerated testing I’ve done in 3 days on some dry/rocky trails, I’m impressed.
For context, I can (and have on previous trips) tear through a maxx terra DHR 2 in 7 days in whistler with 3-4 days in the park and 3-4 days pedaling. That same DHR 2 would last me ~300-500 miles in socal with the low end being my enduro bike and the higher end of that being my trail bike. That wear looks really good for a maxx grip dissector with those riding stats from my pov. I could tear through the previous gen maxx terra dissector in 8 rides or less in socal (~160 miles).
I can't wait to try forekaster rear and dissector in front for trail bike duty. I wonder what the rolling resistance penalty will feel like in real life for the maxx terra vs maxx grip dissector in front. It would be awesome to have a mini maxx gripp assegai in front for trail bike duty.
I’ve ridden the new dissector front with forecaster rear a couple times and it’s a fantastic lighter trail combo. Dissector has great feedback in the front, was easy to tell when it started to slide and didn’t just snap like some tires. They were both exo+ casings for context. Not typically a maxxis fan but I’m really impressed with what they’ve done.
I wonder how it compares to the Schwalbe Albert. The tread seems to have similar knob spacing/size (not shape) but the side knobs are angled on the Alberts. With the radial casing there must be quite a few differences between the two but their uses seem a bit similar. Have you tried both?
True story. Part of the reason everyone feels like a hero up there is because the rocks are made of high grit sandpaper. You can brake and turn anywhere, even in the wet. Combine that grip with endless vertical from the chairlift and it's a great place to ride but a tough place to be a rear tire.
There are a handful in North America right now and more on the way. If your local shop can’t already get them, it shouldn’t be much longer.
It looks like it's done a whole season already. Is it made of silly putty?
Having been there myself, Whistler eats tires for breakfast. The very grippy slabs of the S2S region also generally eat tires for breakfast, even if the loamy forest is truly the opposite. There's not enough loamy forest to keep up to wear from the rocks. You also probably don't need the stickiest rubber in the mid-summer dustbin of the S2S, but as soon as the fall rain hits and temps drop a bit... full Maxxgrip or die out there.
We got both types of conditions for Crankworx this year. It started with the typical hot, dusty, and blown out summer conditions and then a couple days of hard rain to spice things up. The park bike I borrowed had a MaxxTerra DHR on the rear which made the tech trails… interesting.
https://www.bikeradar.com/features/tech/specializeds-new-tyre-rd-facility
Had no idea that Spesh had a tire R&D facility in Germany. Pretty cool read considering the lore behind all the factory test pilot tires out there from various mfg’s. Wouldn’t be surprised if Logic was running rubber that dropped below what I measured with the off-the-shelf T9. Can’t lie the Maxx Grip stuff that was just under 40a on my durometer sticks as well as it does even is the softest of moon dust… Also some interesting comments about the casing plys and what range they able adjust to.
Of wet, cold granite is scary, try wet, cold limestone... Wet granite probably has more grip than dry limestone.
If you really want to nerd out - https://enduro-mtb.com/en/mtb-tire-test-weight-rolling-resistance-puncture-protection-stats/
Hey the side lugs are all still attached
You sure this is a Dissector?
We have some limestone rock gardens in SW CO and they are indeed like ice even when dry. It seems like no tires really grip well on it.
Anyone able to compare how Albert in Soft Compound compares to MaxTerra in terms of grip and rolling resistance?
The wet granite is grippy until a bunch of mud inevitably gets dragged down onto it, then it can get pretty wild. The highly-polished roots are even more treacherous though. Being an East Coast guy, I have a hard time trusting any rock to have grip.
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