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Really good post but I still think we are suffering from the same problem that we had 10-15 years ago: bike design, geo, riding style, and...

Really good post but I still think we are suffering from the same problem that we had 10-15 years ago: bike design, geo, riding style, and bike setup are all based on available tech and components. 

Once we add a new tool to the arsenal the landscape shifts around it. Riding styles will change and bikes will be designed with different parameters and the whole sport will evolve. 

The early 29ers weren’t great! But the concept was sound and eventually we figured out how to make great 29ers and riding styles adapted to the new strengths and weaknesses of the wheel size. 

I would bet that seat tube angles steepen with proportional increase in reach. Shorter stems with a negative rise will maybe get us back to similar handling characteristics and a similar saddle to bar drop. What do you think?

I think 32” wheels sound amazing for the rough, washboard, rutted Colorado dirt roads. I don’t race and don’t care for sprinting. But some big ol wheels that roll and roll… I like it. Tall comfy front end sounds good too. 

Not everything needs to be race-ready

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not 32" but prototype giant XC bike from VDS pits today

IMG 1254
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sspomer wrote:
not 32" but prototype giant XC bike from VDS pits today

not 32" but prototype giant XC bike from VDS pits today

IMG 1254

Interesting that they have gone with the horizontal shock like every other brand, the liv xc bike is flex stay and vertical shock, assumed the new anthem would be the same. Can't see the rear dropout area, but the production bike has to be a flex stay doesn't it?

Can we call this general layout XC crab or something? 

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sspomer wrote:
not 32" but prototype giant XC bike from VDS pits today

not 32" but prototype giant XC bike from VDS pits today

IMG 1254

damn, I knew it was bad out there, but giant (putting in some r&d) moving away from maestro is def a signal of the end of times.

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Why settle for just one bar position? 

Why settle for just one bar position? 

TT Bicycles vs Triathlon Bicycles: what's the best choice for a TRI? –  Bikeroom

Brilliant! Of course! It's so simple- handlebars everywhere!

- Toy Story Everywhere - quickmeme

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pit bits from VDS

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6/18/2025 7:57am
sspomer wrote:
not 32" but prototype giant XC bike from VDS pits today

not 32" but prototype giant XC bike from VDS pits today

IMG 1254
Finkill wrote:
Interesting that they have gone with the horizontal shock like every other brand, the liv xc bike is flex stay and vertical shock, assumed the new...

Interesting that they have gone with the horizontal shock like every other brand, the liv xc bike is flex stay and vertical shock, assumed the new anthem would be the same. Can't see the rear dropout area, but the production bike has to be a flex stay doesn't it?

Can we call this general layout XC crab or something? 

How about Lobster or Shrimp links? Both are somewhat related to crabs and that's kind of what you look like when you ride an XC bike (hunched back to a low bar/stem. Just imagine the negative stems that will be on 32" XC race bikes... carcinization continues as Nino Schurter goes from GOAT to Lobster)
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6/18/2025 8:01am
Why settle for just one bar position? 

Why settle for just one bar position? 

TT Bicycles vs Triathlon Bicycles: what's the best choice for a TRI? –  Bikeroom

TEAMROBOT wrote:
Brilliant! Of course! It's so simple- handlebars everywhere!

Brilliant! Of course! It's so simple- handlebars everywhere!

- Toy Story Everywhere - quickmeme

Dak mode ✔️

Nino mode ✔️

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sspomer wrote:
not 32" but prototype giant XC bike from VDS pits today

not 32" but prototype giant XC bike from VDS pits today

IMG 1254
Finkill wrote:
Interesting that they have gone with the horizontal shock like every other brand, the liv xc bike is flex stay and vertical shock, assumed the new...

Interesting that they have gone with the horizontal shock like every other brand, the liv xc bike is flex stay and vertical shock, assumed the new anthem would be the same. Can't see the rear dropout area, but the production bike has to be a flex stay doesn't it?

Can we call this general layout XC crab or something? 

It's the lightest layout... And it gives the option to carry 2 water bottles. 

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6/18/2025 8:09am
sspomer wrote:
not 32" but prototype giant XC bike from VDS pits today

not 32" but prototype giant XC bike from VDS pits today

IMG 1254

Looks like Jessie-May Morgan from PB has dinner plans – from her Liv Pique review the other day:

Screenshot 2025-06-18 at 9.06.54%E2%80%AFAM

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Why settle for just one bar position? 

Why settle for just one bar position? 

TT Bicycles vs Triathlon Bicycles: what's the best choice for a TRI? –  Bikeroom

TEAMROBOT wrote:
Brilliant! Of course! It's so simple- handlebars everywhere!

Brilliant! Of course! It's so simple- handlebars everywhere!

- Toy Story Everywhere - quickmeme

Dak mode ✔️

Nino mode ✔️

I too prefer to smash my ballz against all the things when flying OTB.

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Brembo brakes official 

Brembo brakes official

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Jakub_G wrote:
Until they get the rotor arms orientation right they cannot be expecting to be taken seriously. And red paint? Seriously? What is this fast and furious...

Until they get the rotor arms orientation right they cannot be expecting to be taken seriously. And red paint? Seriously? What is this fast and furious vol.I? Oh, grimeca wants to have a word with you about that too lol. Gosh I'm so negative.

Dude really said "I hate when things are colors" 

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6/18/2025 8:37am
sspomer wrote:

pit bits from VDS

I mean cmon, we have the mass dampers mounted to 3D printed flexy plastic number plates now? 

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sspomer wrote:

pit bits from VDS

austin-NC wrote:

I mean cmon, we have the mass dampers mounted to 3D printed flexy plastic number plates now? 

Probably an empty can to appease a rider that can’t tell the difference. 

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austin-NC wrote:

I mean cmon, we have the mass dampers mounted to 3D printed flexy plastic number plates now? 

As long as it works in the rider's head... 

Sometimes, it's just to go with the flow, if the rider feels it makes a difference, even though physics and data might prove otherwise, the teams/mechanics will roll with it. I'm not surprised mental coaches are so important now at their level, if you have an edge "in your head", chances are it'll work on the track.

I've seen it before, and I'll see it further on

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6/18/2025 8:48am
sspomer wrote:
not 32" but prototype giant XC bike from VDS pits today

not 32" but prototype giant XC bike from VDS pits today

IMG 1254
Finkill wrote:
Interesting that they have gone with the horizontal shock like every other brand, the liv xc bike is flex stay and vertical shock, assumed the new...

Interesting that they have gone with the horizontal shock like every other brand, the liv xc bike is flex stay and vertical shock, assumed the new anthem would be the same. Can't see the rear dropout area, but the production bike has to be a flex stay doesn't it?

Can we call this general layout XC crab or something? 

Primoz wrote:

It's the lightest layout... And it gives the option to carry 2 water bottles. 

2022+ XC bike starter pack

*Linkage driven single pivot w/ flex stay
*Top tube mounted shock
*Two bottle cage mounts
*Bring your own logo: Specialized/Cervelo/Pinarello/SantaCruz/Transition/Kona/Trek/Cannondale/Orbea/KTM etc

Blueprint:

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6/18/2025 8:49am
sspomer wrote:

pit bits from VDS

austin-NC wrote:

I mean cmon, we have the mass dampers mounted to 3D printed flexy plastic number plates now? 

Thought: If they mount an empty can there they can shape the number plate to be a fairing while staying within the aerodynamic rules. The number plate has to be shaped that way to accommodate actual equipment?

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ricksticks wrote:

Dude really said "I hate when things are colors" 

More like I "hate" painted instead of anodized lol. Looks cheap and tacky, kind of like plastic brembo caliper covers you get for stock brakes on the car to make it look faster haha https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/315502970018

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6/18/2025 8:56am
sspomer wrote:

pit bits from VDS

austin-NC wrote:

I mean cmon, we have the mass dampers mounted to 3D printed flexy plastic number plates now? 

Buckets Up wrote:
Thought: If they mount an empty can there they can shape the number plate to be a fairing while staying within the aerodynamic rules. The number...

Thought: If they mount an empty can there they can shape the number plate to be a fairing while staying within the aerodynamic rules. The number plate has to be shaped that way to accommodate actual equipment?

Next up, everyone is wearing back protectors that happen to be teardrop shaped.

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6/18/2025 8:57am

Looks like Troy's on Freedom Coast levers?

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6/18/2025 9:26am

Here are two other helpful assets to differentiate shifter and derailleur differences.

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6/18/2025 9:32am

Specialized Gravity put up some Insta posts showing more details of the Brembo's 

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yzedf
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6/18/2025 9:34am

So it’s a Deore upgrade kit at a SLX price? Shimano is so weird sometimes. 

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6/18/2025 9:43am
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didn't have a new izzo spec with 36sl and xt di2 on my bingo card for this month

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so what's happening to the mechanical options? any word on that?
will the current products stay in the lineup?
are they planning to release new mechanical stuff in the future? (2030 maybe?)

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The pricing is definitely weird. There is basically just a 15% difference between XT and XTR. It's almost just about getting basic Deore or all features XTR without being too bothered by XT at all.

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6/18/2025 10:17am

$435 retail for a replacement of the bottom-tier derailleur that will ship on cheap bikes seems completely daft. Joe-shmo is going to quit mountain biking after he smokes his first derailleur and doesn't want to pay up to replace it.

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yzedf wrote:

So it’s a Deore upgrade kit at a SLX price? Shimano is so weird sometimes. 

There is no more SLX.

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Jakub_G wrote:
More like I "hate" painted instead of anodized lol. Looks cheap and tacky, kind of like plastic brembo caliper covers you get for stock brakes on...

More like I "hate" painted instead of anodized lol. Looks cheap and tacky, kind of like plastic brembo caliper covers you get for stock brakes on the car to make it look faster haha https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/315502970018

Wait, you can do that? My 2006 Toyota Matrix is gonna look sick with clip-on Brembo brake calipers.

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