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monarchmason
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5/13/2025 4:16pm
Jotegr wrote:
Uh... no. That's precisely why they need to bring the name back. Sometimes companies have iconic and excellent names from years past that would totally apply...

Uh... no. That's precisely why they need to bring the name back. Sometimes companies have iconic and excellent names from years past that would totally apply to their new platform and instead call it something else. Or use the iconic name on an ebike. 

 

I dont know. Maybe people would buy the "Evil Definitely-Dead V1" downhill bike...

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5/13/2025 5:10pm
This is what I believe is going on….2 blue chainrings/sprockets and the red section of chain is concealed inside the “box”.   I wonder if it...

This is what I believe is going on….


2 blue chainrings/sprockets and the red section of chain is concealed inside the “box”.   I wonder if it doesn’t infringe on the DW patent because the 2 gears aren’t vertically oriented from each other. 

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The red is a small belt. Specialized is going after the Gates $100,000 just like the other teams, they are just being stealthy about it. 

I hope that's it just because it would be funny.

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earleb
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5/13/2025 5:23pm
This is what I believe is going on….2 blue chainrings/sprockets and the red section of chain is concealed inside the “box”.   I wonder if it...

This is what I believe is going on….


2 blue chainrings/sprockets and the red section of chain is concealed inside the “box”.   I wonder if it doesn’t infringe on the DW patent because the 2 gears aren’t vertically oriented from each other. 

IMG 3987 0
The red is a small belt. Specialized is going after the Gates $100,000 just like the other teams, they are just being stealthy about it. I hope...

The red is a small belt. Specialized is going after the Gates $100,000 just like the other teams, they are just being stealthy about it. 

I hope that's it just because it would be funny.

The belt would be awesome.

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megastoke
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5/13/2025 7:20pm
earleb wrote:
Tube....you know like a round tube. Same as bikes were made from before molded carbon. You take a round tube and squish it a oval shape so...

Tube....you know like a round tube. Same as bikes were made from before molded carbon. 

You take a round tube and squish it a oval shape so it's optimized to the loads it's going to see. A tubular structure is better suited to the forces of a crank than an I-beam. 

See EEwings here. Drop the hirth joint, make them from steel, and use the available axle that everyone is using. Go with 8 bolt sram mount for rings so that there will be plenty of options and no special tool needed. They don't need to survive 30ft roof drops to flat like Profile cranks so can be a reasonable weight. 

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jonkranked wrote:

side note - CC recently updated eewings to the sram 8 bolt mount. 

dolface wrote:
Side side note: They also updated the fixing bolt to 8mm (so no more 14mm hex) BUT it's not backwards compatible.The CC CSR I talked to...

Side side note: They also updated the fixing bolt to 8mm (so no more 14mm hex) BUT it's not backwards compatible.

The CC CSR I talked to said he was on a personal mission to get them to update that to make it fit the older cranks, so give them them a call and let them know if you want that too!

Dispersed bikepacking makes a Ti 6mm to 14mm adaptor for the EEwings crank arm fixing bolt. Mine lives in my hip pack and has saved my ass twice now. 

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5/13/2025 11:55pm
Yoda wrote:
Oops, similar situation TQ HPR60 search and Yeti's new eeb just popped up. 

Oops, similar situation TQ HPR60 search and Yeti's new eeb just popped up. 

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It must be very hard to bring out new ebikes that are obsolete with the arrival of the DJI Avinoxm, all these ebikes are heavy, fat and with pregnant aesthetics. The traditional ebike industry will not start to recover at least until 2027 from this blow that DJI has given them, I see a lot of sales coming to get rid of the stock of these products.

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AgrAde
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5/14/2025 12:37am Edited Date/Time 5/14/2025 12:44am
The red is a small belt. Specialized is going after the Gates $100,000 just like the other teams, they are just being stealthy about it. I hope...

The red is a small belt. Specialized is going after the Gates $100,000 just like the other teams, they are just being stealthy about it. 

I hope that's it just because it would be funny.

That's a hilarious take, and it would be PEAK Specialized if true - taking the gates prize on a technicality with a bike that has a chain and derailleur is up there with suing a cafe.

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5/14/2025 12:58am

I recall the same thing being suggested when the Pivot came out with two chains, pretty sure the rules say the belt needs to be driving the rear wheel. 

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5/14/2025 1:05am

We can't let facts get in the way of comedy

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5/14/2025 1:19am
Finkill wrote:
I recall the same thing being suggested when the Pivot came out with two chains, pretty sure the rules say the belt needs to be driving...

I recall the same thing being suggested when the Pivot came out with two chains, pretty sure the rules say the belt needs to be driving the rear wheel. 

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5/14/2025 1:37am
This is what I believe is going on….2 blue chainrings/sprockets and the red section of chain is concealed inside the “box”.   I wonder if it...

This is what I believe is going on….


2 blue chainrings/sprockets and the red section of chain is concealed inside the “box”.   I wonder if it doesn’t infringe on the DW patent because the 2 gears aren’t vertically oriented from each other. 

IMG 3987 0

Right on the money! With less tired eyes this morning I saw the small bolts for the cover plate. Very cool rig indeed.
Those are some very production looking stays. Gotta wonder how far they were into the production bike before coming up with this wicked concept. What's the UCI rule again for how long you have till a bike needs to be in production?

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Carraig042
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5/14/2025 2:59am
megastoke wrote:
Dispersed bikepacking makes a Ti 6mm to 14mm adaptor for the EEwings crank arm fixing bolt. Mine lives in my hip pack and has saved my...

Dispersed bikepacking makes a Ti 6mm to 14mm adaptor for the EEwings crank arm fixing bolt. Mine lives in my hip pack and has saved my ass twice now. 

Good looking tool with a reasonable price for machined Ti with its limited market. Would have bought one if I had not made my own already.

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5/14/2025 3:26am
Finkill wrote:
I recall the same thing being suggested when the Pivot came out with two chains, pretty sure the rules say the belt needs to be driving...

I recall the same thing being suggested when the Pivot came out with two chains, pretty sure the rules say the belt needs to be driving the rear wheel. 

boozed wrote:

I reject your reality and substitute my own. 

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5/14/2025 3:52am
It must be very hard to bring out new ebikes that are obsolete with the arrival of the DJI Avinoxm, all these ebikes are heavy, fat...

It must be very hard to bring out new ebikes that are obsolete with the arrival of the DJI Avinoxm, all these ebikes are heavy, fat and with pregnant aesthetics. The traditional ebike industry will not start to recover at least until 2027 from this blow that DJI has given them, I see a lot of sales coming to get rid of the stock of these products.

Don't be silly. The bosch motors are far from obsolete, there's a lot of integration and quality of life features that the DJI doesn't have.

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5/14/2025 4:06am
Jotegr wrote:

If they come out with a DH bike and don't call it the Undead they should be fired. Out of a cannon. Into the sun. 

😂

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5/14/2025 4:58am
Yoda wrote:
Oops, similar situation TQ HPR60 search and Yeti's new eeb just popped up. 

Oops, similar situation TQ HPR60 search and Yeti's new eeb just popped up. 

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It must be very hard to bring out new ebikes that are obsolete with the arrival of the DJI Avinoxm, all these ebikes are heavy, fat...

It must be very hard to bring out new ebikes that are obsolete with the arrival of the DJI Avinoxm, all these ebikes are heavy, fat and with pregnant aesthetics. The traditional ebike industry will not start to recover at least until 2027 from this blow that DJI has given them, I see a lot of sales coming to get rid of the stock of these products.

🤣

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MTBrent
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5/14/2025 5:09am
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Martha Gill’s Quake with a fancy tinfoil-wrapped (7sp?) Microshift setup…

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dolface
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5/14/2025 6:31am
jonkranked wrote:

side note - CC recently updated eewings to the sram 8 bolt mount. 

dolface wrote:
Side side note: They also updated the fixing bolt to 8mm (so no more 14mm hex) BUT it's not backwards compatible.The CC CSR I talked to...

Side side note: They also updated the fixing bolt to 8mm (so no more 14mm hex) BUT it's not backwards compatible.

The CC CSR I talked to said he was on a personal mission to get them to update that to make it fit the older cranks, so give them them a call and let them know if you want that too!

megastoke wrote:
Dispersed bikepacking makes a Ti 6mm to 14mm adaptor for the EEwings crank arm fixing bolt. Mine lives in my hip pack and has saved my...

Dispersed bikepacking makes a Ti 6mm to 14mm adaptor for the EEwings crank arm fixing bolt. Mine lives in my hip pack and has saved my ass twice now. 

Good shout; those are great (direct link for anyone who's looking: https://dispersed.bike/product/ti-6mm-to-14mm-adapter/)

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5/14/2025 6:39am
Lacanuck24 wrote:
Right on the money! With less tired eyes this morning I saw the small bolts for the cover plate. Very cool rig indeed.Those are some very...

Right on the money! With less tired eyes this morning I saw the small bolts for the cover plate. Very cool rig indeed.
Those are some very production looking stays. Gotta wonder how far they were into the production bike before coming up with this wicked concept. What's the UCI rule again for how long you have till a bike needs to be in production?

IIRC it was a year but I don't believe it's ever been enforced in MTB (and may have been quietly rescinded).

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5/14/2025 7:27am
Evil96 wrote:
I will call this, the Tyee that should've been, no cable tourism bullshit, no caliper inside the seatstay bullshit, bravo Propain, seriously considering this one as...

I will call this, the Tyee that should've been, no cable tourism bullshit, no caliper inside the seatstay bullshit, bravo Propain, seriously considering this one as my next bike unless Evil drops something better ( for me )Schermata 2025-05-13 alle 09.48.54 0.png?VersionId=lrn

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Seems like we won't have to wait much. I was looking at used Tyee 5 and ignoring the 6 due to the headset routing, this is messing up my plans ! 

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sspomer
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5/14/2025 8:48am

have never seen this before - enormeus - https://dhsign.it/en/

https://dhsign.it/700-large_default/enormeus-pre-ordine.jpg

https://dhsign.it/697-large_default/enormeus-pre-ordine.jpg

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5/14/2025 9:11am
sspomer wrote:
have never seen this before - enormeus - https://dhsign.it/en/

have never seen this before - enormeus - https://dhsign.it/en/

https://dhsign.it/700-large_default/enormeus-pre-ordine.jpg

https://dhsign.it/697-large_default/enormeus-pre-ordine.jpg

got to love the Italians 

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earleb
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5/14/2025 9:43am
sspomer wrote:
have never seen this before - enormeus - https://dhsign.it/en/

have never seen this before - enormeus - https://dhsign.it/en/

https://dhsign.it/700-large_default/enormeus-pre-ordine.jpg

https://dhsign.it/697-large_default/enormeus-pre-ordine.jpg

The front shock mount is on an eccentric cam so you can change the LR and bb height by rotating the shock mount. The other end of the shock is on a yoke with a threaded heim joint so the bb height can also be adjusted this way. 

The suspension is a layout like the Nukeproof Giga. Short link off the rear end drives a rocker link. 

The guy behind this does a polymer bushing like a spherical bearing.

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5/14/2025 10:59am

Somewhat meta question about this thread (please don't yell at me if this is off topic): 

In the rare instanced when Vital deletes spy shots at brands' behest, do they get a financial kickback or do the brands lean on their advertising dollars to apply pressure? Because they should not be deleting that for free!

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5/14/2025 11:15am Edited Date/Time 5/14/2025 11:19am
It must be very hard to bring out new ebikes that are obsolete with the arrival of the DJI Avinoxm, all these ebikes are heavy, fat...

It must be very hard to bring out new ebikes that are obsolete with the arrival of the DJI Avinoxm, all these ebikes are heavy, fat and with pregnant aesthetics. The traditional ebike industry will not start to recover at least until 2027 from this blow that DJI has given them, I see a lot of sales coming to get rid of the stock of these products.

Differing opinions are welcome, but I've studied the reviews a lot and when you dig deep down, I just think the Bosch is a more compelling product. 

It seems to have better power application, notably better battery efficiency (which effectively negates the DJI 1# weight advantage), less obtrusive noise, better warranty and aftermarket support, chainring protection, etc. Then you add in the CX-R improvements (i.e. auto shifting, hard wired shifter, lighter motor, etc.) and it's quite an impressive package.

The DJI still rules in terms of fit and finish into the frame and outright power production, and probably the screen, if those are your primary concerns.

It's also still a bike, first and foremost, and it needs to excel at bike stuff. The motor is just a component.

At least you aren't claiming the gearbox bikes are the only thing that is relevant. Those guys positively kill me.

 

Doh! Sorry, I thought I was in the e-bike thread!

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sspomer
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5/14/2025 11:16am

they just venmo me $2.79 per deletion.

it's very rare we get asked to take anything down and in 16 years of being at vital, i don't remember any leaning/pressure from brands "if you don't do X, we'll hold back from working with you." just because something was here and goes away doesn't always mean we deleted it. 

we delete if asked by a brand b/c someone that shouldn't have had the info/photos/videos leaked the info/photos/videos or if an NDA was clearly broken.

we don't delete if a product is out in public, if someone was careless with their hiding of it in public or if a 3rd party was careless w/ their viewing settings on videos or articles or store pages.

i think most everyone is aware that if something lands here, it's out in the world for good, whether we delete or not, ya know? things just move too fast. i'd HATE to be a brand trying to keep something quiet these days.

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5/14/2025 11:26am
sspomer wrote:
have never seen this before - enormeus - https://dhsign.it/en/

have never seen this before - enormeus - https://dhsign.it/en/

https://dhsign.it/700-large_default/enormeus-pre-ordine.jpg

https://dhsign.it/697-large_default/enormeus-pre-ordine.jpg

I love the idea. I try not to comment on looks but I'm certainly getting a "Cousin of a Rotec but in Deliverance" vibes. 

Would still love to try it. 

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5/14/2025 12:25pm
sspomer wrote:
have never seen this before - enormeus - https://dhsign.it/en/

have never seen this before - enormeus - https://dhsign.it/en/

https://dhsign.it/700-large_default/enormeus-pre-ordine.jpg

https://dhsign.it/697-large_default/enormeus-pre-ordine.jpg

kill it before it lays eggs

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5/14/2025 12:41pm
sspomer wrote:
they just venmo me $2.79 per deletion.it's very rare we get asked to take anything down and in 16 years of being at vital, i don't...

they just venmo me $2.79 per deletion.

it's very rare we get asked to take anything down and in 16 years of being at vital, i don't remember any leaning/pressure from brands "if you don't do X, we'll hold back from working with you." just because something was here and goes away doesn't always mean we deleted it. 

we delete if asked by a brand b/c someone that shouldn't have had the info/photos/videos leaked the info/photos/videos or if an NDA was clearly broken.

we don't delete if a product is out in public, if someone was careless with their hiding of it in public or if a 3rd party was careless w/ their viewing settings on videos or articles or store pages.

i think most everyone is aware that if something lands here, it's out in the world for good, whether we delete or not, ya know? things just move too fast. i'd HATE to be a brand trying to keep something quiet these days.

It's up to $2.79 now?!?! In this economy??? 

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5/14/2025 12:50pm Edited Date/Time 5/14/2025 12:50pm
sspomer wrote:
they just venmo me $2.79 per deletion.it's very rare we get asked to take anything down and in 16 years of being at vital, i don't...

they just venmo me $2.79 per deletion.

it's very rare we get asked to take anything down and in 16 years of being at vital, i don't remember any leaning/pressure from brands "if you don't do X, we'll hold back from working with you." just because something was here and goes away doesn't always mean we deleted it. 

we delete if asked by a brand b/c someone that shouldn't have had the info/photos/videos leaked the info/photos/videos or if an NDA was clearly broken.

we don't delete if a product is out in public, if someone was careless with their hiding of it in public or if a 3rd party was careless w/ their viewing settings on videos or articles or store pages.

i think most everyone is aware that if something lands here, it's out in the world for good, whether we delete or not, ya know? things just move too fast. i'd HATE to be a brand trying to keep something quiet these days.

It's up to $2.79 now?!?! In this economy??? 

Still less than an average toll gate on I95.

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Mwood
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5/14/2025 1:21pm Edited Date/Time 5/14/2025 2:14pm
sspomer wrote:
they just venmo me $2.79 per deletion.it's very rare we get asked to take anything down and in 16 years of being at vital, i don't...

they just venmo me $2.79 per deletion.

it's very rare we get asked to take anything down and in 16 years of being at vital, i don't remember any leaning/pressure from brands "if you don't do X, we'll hold back from working with you." just because something was here and goes away doesn't always mean we deleted it. 

we delete if asked by a brand b/c someone that shouldn't have had the info/photos/videos leaked the info/photos/videos or if an NDA was clearly broken.

we don't delete if a product is out in public, if someone was careless with their hiding of it in public or if a 3rd party was careless w/ their viewing settings on videos or articles or store pages.

i think most everyone is aware that if something lands here, it's out in the world for good, whether we delete or not, ya know? things just move too fast. i'd HATE to be a brand trying to keep something quiet these days.

Another thing that people don't understand- if something gets leaked before bike shops know whats coming, they can have lots of product on the floor that lose considerable value as soon as a photo is posted, as everyone will want to wait for the newnew or expect discounts. It's already hard being a bike shop owner, and some of this deleting is actually best for the industry in the long run. heavily influenced by Escapee Collectives discussions on this topic and embargos 

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