So they moved the battery up higher to fit storage in the bike? Assuming the bottle cage is still the access door.
Also interesting they integrated Apple Find My into the hardware. First time I recall that tech being opened to a partner. I recovered my stolen 1-up rack because of an AirTag.
It’s really odd and with it being 180mm compatible, new link and yokekiller for a longer a shock ?
I'm expecting a levo LT to come out with a 230x65(ish) shock, after the x2 comes out, as it apparently shares an air spring with the float and float x genie. And no new kenevo either.
“SWAT internal downtube storage” So they moved the battery up higher to fit storage in the bike? Assuming the bottle cage is still the access door. Also interesting...
“SWAT internal downtube storage”
So they moved the battery up higher to fit storage in the bike? Assuming the bottle cage is still the access door.
Also interesting they integrated Apple Find My into the hardware. First time I recall that tech being opened to a partner. I recovered my stolen 1-up rack because of an AirTag.
they already did that in the vado sl 2. first apple find my integration was afaik van moof several years ago
“SWAT internal downtube storage” So they moved the battery up higher to fit storage in the bike? Assuming the bottle cage is still the access door. Also interesting...
“SWAT internal downtube storage”
So they moved the battery up higher to fit storage in the bike? Assuming the bottle cage is still the access door.
Also interesting they integrated Apple Find My into the hardware. First time I recall that tech being opened to a partner. I recovered my stolen 1-up rack because of an AirTag.
Moving the battery up is a pretty stupid thing to do, i hope they put it as low as possible and take advantage of it entering the frame from the side, to give access to the storage compartment.
True. Do you know if design processes prioritize heat dissipation for suspension like how brakes do? I remember DVO used to advertise that their shocks had...
True. Do you know if design processes prioritize heat dissipation for suspension like how brakes do? I remember DVO used to advertise that their shocks had their little “cooling fins”. For all I know they did work. But Im a skeptic. But at the same time, Ive never seen another company promote that really.
It doesn’t seem that any of them are trying to chase down heat sinks. Overheating shocks would have to be an issue first and it doesn’t...
It doesn’t seem that any of them are trying to chase down heat sinks. Overheating shocks would have to be an issue first and it doesn’t really seem to be.
I'm curious about the Scott internal shocks, as they receive almost no airflow for cooling, I wonder how warm they will get. If any shock is going to overheat it'll be that one for sure.
I'm sure they tested it, I'm just curious what the results were
True. Do you know if design processes prioritize heat dissipation for suspension like how brakes do? I remember DVO used to advertise that their shocks had...
True. Do you know if design processes prioritize heat dissipation for suspension like how brakes do? I remember DVO used to advertise that their shocks had their little “cooling fins”. For all I know they did work. But Im a skeptic. But at the same time, Ive never seen another company promote that really.
It doesn’t seem that any of them are trying to chase down heat sinks. Overheating shocks would have to be an issue first and it doesn’t...
It doesn’t seem that any of them are trying to chase down heat sinks. Overheating shocks would have to be an issue first and it doesn’t really seem to be.
I'm curious about the Scott internal shocks, as they receive almost no airflow for cooling, I wonder how warm they will get. If any shock is...
I'm curious about the Scott internal shocks, as they receive almost no airflow for cooling, I wonder how warm they will get. If any shock is going to overheat it'll be that one for sure.
I'm sure they tested it, I'm just curious what the results were
Some of the scotts had a cooling "duct" (ie a hole in the headtube) but it doesn't seem like they all do. I don't think I;ve ever seen a shock that was killed by excessive heating - the Polyurethane o-rings the Fox often use in the damper sealhead are only rated to 80 degrees C, so if they were exceeding that there would be major problems. I do sometimes see scorching on those, where it looks like the very surface of the shaft got really high but I doubt the entire shock gets overheated in that case either. Like @CascadeComponents said we would know if overheating was a problem, since anything over about 60 degrees becomes a burn hazard if you touch it for too long (this is a design factor in things like laptops) and that just doesn't happen, considering how close they are to your legs!
We all the know the new Firebird is slated to be released soon. From what I heard today, it looks very similar to the outgoing model with small geo adjustments here and there. It will also come with internal storage.
I knew the new ones were incoming so I was looking for a sale on the old models in my size when I ran across the...
I knew the new ones were incoming so I was looking for a sale on the old models in my size when I ran across the new model. New ones are pricey!
I’m sure there’s some huge improvement they’ll advertise that we can’t quantify. I just bought an outgoing pair and they are a perfect fit for the price. 🤘
Some of the scotts had a cooling "duct" (ie a hole in the headtube) but it doesn't seem like they all do. I don't think I;ve...
Some of the scotts had a cooling "duct" (ie a hole in the headtube) but it doesn't seem like they all do. I don't think I;ve ever seen a shock that was killed by excessive heating - the Polyurethane o-rings the Fox often use in the damper sealhead are only rated to 80 degrees C, so if they were exceeding that there would be major problems. I do sometimes see scorching on those, where it looks like the very surface of the shaft got really high but I doubt the entire shock gets overheated in that case either. Like @CascadeComponents said we would know if overheating was a problem, since anything over about 60 degrees becomes a burn hazard if you touch it for too long (this is a design factor in things like laptops) and that just doesn't happen, considering how close they are to your legs!
if you have or know anyone who has a new ransom, feel the shock bolts on the downtube after a run. they're hot.
Some of the scotts had a cooling "duct" (ie a hole in the headtube) but it doesn't seem like they all do. I don't think I;ve...
Some of the scotts had a cooling "duct" (ie a hole in the headtube) but it doesn't seem like they all do. I don't think I;ve ever seen a shock that was killed by excessive heating - the Polyurethane o-rings the Fox often use in the damper sealhead are only rated to 80 degrees C, so if they were exceeding that there would be major problems. I do sometimes see scorching on those, where it looks like the very surface of the shaft got really high but I doubt the entire shock gets overheated in that case either. Like @CascadeComponents said we would know if overheating was a problem, since anything over about 60 degrees becomes a burn hazard if you touch it for too long (this is a design factor in things like laptops) and that just doesn't happen, considering how close they are to your legs!
Some of the scotts had a cooling "duct" (ie a hole in the headtube) but it doesn't seem like they all do. I don't think I;ve...
Some of the scotts had a cooling "duct" (ie a hole in the headtube) but it doesn't seem like they all do. I don't think I;ve ever seen a shock that was killed by excessive heating - the Polyurethane o-rings the Fox often use in the damper sealhead are only rated to 80 degrees C, so if they were exceeding that there would be major problems. I do sometimes see scorching on those, where it looks like the very surface of the shaft got really high but I doubt the entire shock gets overheated in that case either. Like @CascadeComponents said we would know if overheating was a problem, since anything over about 60 degrees becomes a burn hazard if you touch it for too long (this is a design factor in things like laptops) and that just doesn't happen, considering how close they are to your legs!
Yeah I've heard of that, I would be super interested to know if it is the heat from the shock or friction from the bushings they...
Yeah I've heard of that, I would be super interested to know if it is the heat from the shock or friction from the bushings they use in that pivot
Surely heat from the shock, the energy from bushing friction would be magnitudes less than the energy being absorbed and released as heat by the damper.
If Vital review the new Scott DH bike could you please put a thermometer in there on a run.
Surely heat from the shock, the energy from bushing friction would be magnitudes less than the energy being absorbed and released as heat by the damper. If...
Surely heat from the shock, the energy from bushing friction would be magnitudes less than the energy being absorbed and released as heat by the damper.
If Vital review the new Scott DH bike could you please put a thermometer in there on a run.
Yup but energy and heat aren't the same thing - a small alloy bolt only needs a small amount of energy to raise its temperature while a comparatively large shock needs far more energy to heat it to the same amount. Point a heat gun at a shock bolt for 5 seconds then pick it up - it will probably be too hot to handle, but do that to a shock and it will be barely any warmer than before, even though received the same amount energy (probably not quite because surface area but you get the point).
I think the reason I mentioned it was with the Scott specifically I have worked on those bikes and found the fit of the bushings at the trunnion mount crazy tight so it was a possibility, unlike normal eyelets. Also heat is slow to be conducted across 2 different parts, so for it to be able to transfer the energy through the threads of the bolt and outside the frame would mean the shock is getting REALLY hot
He's on a Forbidden team, so likely the new Forbidden eBike
That was my first thought, although it really doesn't look like the traditional Forbidden suspension layout or design language. Also does not look like an Avinox system which I had on good authority it definitely uses.
EDIT- After a closer look it could be Avinox, kinda hard to tell from those pics
That was my first thought, although it really doesn't look like the traditional Forbidden suspension layout or design language. Also does not look like an Avinox...
That was my first thought, although it really doesn't look like the traditional Forbidden suspension layout or design language. Also does not look like an Avinox system which I had on good authority it definitely uses.
EDIT- After a closer look it could be Avinox, kinda hard to tell from those pics
A Domain won‘t exist in a Forbidden + bike looks „wrong“ to say the least. The CS-BB region looks wrong if you know what I mean 😉.
And without opening the article, I am sure Yamaha did not buy Brose. If anything, the ebike division/segment/technology. Brose is a multi billion dollar company, a tier...
And without opening the article, I am sure Yamaha did not buy Brose. If anything, the ebike division/segment/technology.
Brose is a multi billion dollar company, a tier 1 supplier of the biggest automotive brands for all aspects of building a car, interior, exterior, powertrain, you name it.
Fun fact, the owner/heir/whatever is the guy who ordered the new Lancia Stratos made from a cut up Ferrari F430 and had a production run of 20 units planned until Ferrari said no to cutting up their cars.
That's the playing field of Brose. And I bet 90 % of people pronounce the name of the company wrong. Hint, it's not Bros 😉
confirmation in the media that Yamaha have purchased the Brose ebike division
The 840wh battery just gave a huge middle finger to the recent trend that were pigeon holed into 600wh (looking at you, Vala 👀)
If the battery is removable, as it will aparently be the case, a smaller, lighter option should be offered. It's like, options are good, right? Most of my rides are under two hours, a smaller battery is a "cheap" way to save 1kg to 1.5kg...
“SWAT internal downtube storage”
So they moved the battery up higher to fit storage in the bike? Assuming the bottle cage is still the access door.
Also interesting they integrated Apple Find My into the hardware. First time I recall that tech being opened to a partner. I recovered my stolen 1-up rack because of an AirTag.
I'm expecting a levo LT to come out with a 230x65(ish) shock, after the x2 comes out, as it apparently shares an air spring with the float and float x genie. And no new kenevo either.
they already did that in the vado sl 2. first apple find my integration was afaik van moof several years ago
Moving the battery up is a pretty stupid thing to do, i hope they put it as low as possible and take advantage of it entering the frame from the side, to give access to the storage compartment.
New version of the low top Tallac got put up a bit early.
I'm curious about the Scott internal shocks, as they receive almost no airflow for cooling, I wonder how warm they will get. If any shock is going to overheat it'll be that one for sure.
I'm sure they tested it, I'm just curious what the results were
Some of the scotts had a cooling "duct" (ie a hole in the headtube) but it doesn't seem like they all do. I don't think I;ve ever seen a shock that was killed by excessive heating - the Polyurethane o-rings the Fox often use in the damper sealhead are only rated to 80 degrees C, so if they were exceeding that there would be major problems. I do sometimes see scorching on those, where it looks like the very surface of the shaft got really high but I doubt the entire shock gets overheated in that case either. Like @CascadeComponents said we would know if overheating was a problem, since anything over about 60 degrees becomes a burn hazard if you touch it for too long (this is a design factor in things like laptops) and that just doesn't happen, considering how close they are to your legs!
Good pricing on the outgoing models.
We all the know the new Firebird is slated to be released soon. From what I heard today, it looks very similar to the outgoing model with small geo adjustments here and there. It will also come with internal storage.
I knew the new ones were incoming so I was looking for a sale on the old models in my size when I ran across the new model. New ones are pricey!
I’m sure there’s some huge improvement they’ll advertise that we can’t quantify. I just bought an outgoing pair and they are a perfect fit for the price. 🤘
if you have or know anyone who has a new ransom, feel the shock bolts on the downtube after a run. they're hot.
Yeah I've heard of that, I would be super interested to know if it is the heat from the shock or friction from the bushings they use in that pivot
Surely heat from the shock, the energy from bushing friction would be magnitudes less than the energy being absorbed and released as heat by the damper.
If Vital review the new Scott DH bike could you please put a thermometer in there on a run.
what is that? the new Reign Ebike?
New Forbidden Ebike....
That’s what I was thinking
Even shot with a potato that seatpost looks terrible. The rest of the build looks great though!
Also, it says there's internal downtube storage on this. That's not a thing on the current one, is it?
Yup but energy and heat aren't the same thing - a small alloy bolt only needs a small amount of energy to raise its temperature while a comparatively large shock needs far more energy to heat it to the same amount. Point a heat gun at a shock bolt for 5 seconds then pick it up - it will probably be too hot to handle, but do that to a shock and it will be barely any warmer than before, even though received the same amount energy (probably not quite because surface area but you get the point).
I think the reason I mentioned it was with the Scott specifically I have worked on those bikes and found the fit of the bushings at the trunnion mount crazy tight so it was a possibility, unlike normal eyelets. Also heat is slow to be conducted across 2 different parts, so for it to be able to transfer the energy through the threads of the bolt and outside the frame would mean the shock is getting REALLY hot
He's on a Forbidden team, so likely the new Forbidden eBike
That was my first thought, although it really doesn't look like the traditional Forbidden suspension layout or design language. Also does not look like an Avinox system which I had on good authority it definitely uses.
EDIT- After a closer look it could be Avinox, kinda hard to tell from those pics
A Domain won‘t exist in a Forbidden + bike looks „wrong“ to say the least. The CS-BB region looks wrong if you know what I mean 😉.
That post has now been deleted from instagram which is a bit telling…
Can confirm that this is not the Forbidden ebike...
confirmation in the media that Yamaha have purchased the Brose ebike division
Yeah, I think he was traveling in the States and might have borrowed a bike for a quick ride before he heads south for his lymphoma clinical trial.
I think the only reason it would have been taken down is because he wasn't riding a Forbidden, rather than riding a top-secret Forbidden.
The 840wh battery just gave a huge middle finger to the recent trend that were pigeon holed into 600wh (looking at you, Vala 👀)
If the battery is removable, as it will aparently be the case, a smaller, lighter option should be offered. It's like, options are good, right? Most of my rides are under two hours, a smaller battery is a "cheap" way to save 1kg to 1.5kg...