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3/11/2025 5:41am
Primoz wrote:
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-ride-bikeyoke-releases-barmate-handlebars-promotes-new-geometry-concept-for-bars.htmlI'm sure Vital will have a news story sooner or later too, for now PB will have to do. Anywho, finally some proper bar dimensioning being...

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-ride-bikeyoke-releases-barmate-handlebars-promotes-new-geometry-concept-for-bars.html

I'm sure Vital will have a news story sooner or later too, for now PB will have to do. 

Anywho, finally some proper bar dimensioning being put forward. Dealing with the topic, I think it's essential as current values tell nothing meaningful (qed, a bar 55 mm high from clamp to grips comes out to essentially 35 mm rise in the real world). If you look at Renthal's fatbars, MTB versions have the same vague dimensioning problem but on the moto side EVERYTHING is laid out in detail. You can exactly see where your grips will be in relation to the clamps from the schematic. Considering how much talk is thrown around reach (and stack) values and changing stem lengths, mentioning the setback when it comes to handlebars is step number the one. Step two should be the actual height of the grips (hands) versus clamping axis. 

The Renthal site was really helpful when I was trying to find a new bar for my dirt bike. Kinda crazy they don't do the same thing for MTB. 

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Somebody has to be the change you want to see in the world... 

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Primoz wrote:

Somebody has to be the change you want to see in the world... 

Micheal Jackson actually wrote man in the mirror about bar stack vs rise. 

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3/11/2025 6:53am
Won’t let me post a pic but I guess sram are releasing the colourway that’s been spotted on the motive brakes. $980 CAD for the set and I would assume it’ll be the same package deals as the maven ultimates that were released a while back: https://www.facebook.com/share/1BSMoLS8Em/?mibextid=79PoIi
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3/11/2025 6:57am
Primoz wrote:
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-ride-bikeyoke-releases-barmate-handlebars-promotes-new-geometry-concept-for-bars.htmlI'm sure Vital will have a news story sooner or later too, for now PB will have to do. Anywho, finally some proper bar dimensioning being...

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-ride-bikeyoke-releases-barmate-handlebars-promotes-new-geometry-concept-for-bars.html

I'm sure Vital will have a news story sooner or later too, for now PB will have to do. 

Anywho, finally some proper bar dimensioning being put forward. Dealing with the topic, I think it's essential as current values tell nothing meaningful (qed, a bar 55 mm high from clamp to grips comes out to essentially 35 mm rise in the real world). If you look at Renthal's fatbars, MTB versions have the same vague dimensioning problem but on the moto side EVERYTHING is laid out in detail. You can exactly see where your grips will be in relation to the clamps from the schematic. Considering how much talk is thrown around reach (and stack) values and changing stem lengths, mentioning the setback when it comes to handlebars is step number the one. Step two should be the actual height of the grips (hands) versus clamping axis. 

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3/11/2025 7:17am Edited Date/Time 3/11/2025 7:18am
schowny wrote:
Won’t let me post a pic but I guess sram are releasing the colourway that’s been spotted on the motive brakes. $980 CAD for the set...
Won’t let me post a pic but I guess sram are releasing the colourway that’s been spotted on the motive brakes. $980 CAD for the set and I would assume it’ll be the same package deals as the maven ultimates that were released a while back: https://www.facebook.com/share/1BSMoLS8Em/?mibextid=79PoIi
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3/11/2025 7:23am Edited Date/Time 3/11/2025 9:10am
dwhere wrote:

Micheal Jackson actually wrote man in the mirror about bar stack vs rise. 

Wow.  Am totally guessing a version from 'This Is It'  But if it's not, you really do not need to correct things...

 

3/11/2025 7:59am
Slow rumors day today. Some strange new poc lids just took top spot and 3rd over at Virginia techs helmet ratings. Cularis would be the mtb...

Slow rumors day today. Some strange new poc lids just took top spot and 3rd over at Virginia techs helmet ratings. Cularis would be the mtb one seems some sites jumped the gun just before the weekend.

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Looks kind of boring/generic, but maybe it doesn't have to be fancy? I wouldn't spend $240 on it, but that's just me. 

Looks kind of boring/generic, but maybe it doesn't have to be fancy? I wouldn't spend $240 on it, but that's just me. 

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Onawalk wrote:
Somebody frame this comment and put it up in your bike shop......Helmet that appears to be "top spot" in laboratory safety tests not worth $240 cause...

Somebody frame this comment and put it up in your bike shop......

Helmet that appears to be "top spot" in laboratory safety tests not worth $240 cause it doesn't look fancy enough....feckin' wild!

It's not about me not valuing my safety, but rather about the cost of stuff. So many helmets that go on sale on a regular basis, there's no way I'm spending $240 on any helmet (maybe a full face?). When I find something that fits properly, I'll wait until it goes on sale. For example, POC has 40-50% off sales on a regular basis. Why would I pay full price?

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3/11/2025 9:53am
Saw this leaked in another forum. Thought I would post here too. Looks like it’s using a Bosch motor. And looks to basically being an electrified...

Saw this leaked in another forum. Thought I would post here too. Looks like it’s using a Bosch motor. And looks to basically being an electrified sentinel. Name appears to be regulator SX.IMG 0737 0

starlord22 wrote:

My LBS says two ebikes will be released from transition this year, one gen5 cx and one sx.  No details on travel or geometry though.

Suns_PSD wrote:

Well, we can't talk about e-bikes in this thread.

But there is a Sentinel with the Bosch SX coming out next month.

Yeah it says right there. Regulator 

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3/11/2025 10:12am
saskskier wrote:
Looks kind of boring/generic, but maybe it doesn't have to be fancy? I wouldn't spend $240 on it, but that's just me. 

Looks kind of boring/generic, but maybe it doesn't have to be fancy? I wouldn't spend $240 on it, but that's just me. 

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Onawalk wrote:
Somebody frame this comment and put it up in your bike shop......Helmet that appears to be "top spot" in laboratory safety tests not worth $240 cause...

Somebody frame this comment and put it up in your bike shop......

Helmet that appears to be "top spot" in laboratory safety tests not worth $240 cause it doesn't look fancy enough....feckin' wild!

saskskier wrote:
It's not about me not valuing my safety, but rather about the cost of stuff. So many helmets that go on sale on a regular basis...

It's not about me not valuing my safety, but rather about the cost of stuff. So many helmets that go on sale on a regular basis, there's no way I'm spending $240 on any helmet (maybe a full face?). When I find something that fits properly, I'll wait until it goes on sale. For example, POC has 40-50% off sales on a regular basis. Why would I pay full price?

The cost of many helmets has become quite high, looking at the new Forefront 3 and Fox Speedframe RS (both over $300 CAD). My biggest qualm with new helmets is the lack of a built-in spot to mount a helmet light. I have the Forefront 2 that needs replacing, but I am struggling to find something with this feature. I love the look of the new non-RS Fox Speedframe (and its safety rating), but I emailed asking if they made an in-house light mount, and they directed me to a Blackburn gift guide. At least most new helmets come with a glasses storage solution, which I can get behind. 

I do wonder about the difference in safety between the independently conducted Virginia tests versus taking Smith's word. I think it was mentioned a couple of pages back that you only need to send in 5 helmets to get them tested? 

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3/11/2025 10:21am
Onawalk wrote:
Somebody frame this comment and put it up in your bike shop......Helmet that appears to be "top spot" in laboratory safety tests not worth $240 cause...

Somebody frame this comment and put it up in your bike shop......

Helmet that appears to be "top spot" in laboratory safety tests not worth $240 cause it doesn't look fancy enough....feckin' wild!

saskskier wrote:
It's not about me not valuing my safety, but rather about the cost of stuff. So many helmets that go on sale on a regular basis...

It's not about me not valuing my safety, but rather about the cost of stuff. So many helmets that go on sale on a regular basis, there's no way I'm spending $240 on any helmet (maybe a full face?). When I find something that fits properly, I'll wait until it goes on sale. For example, POC has 40-50% off sales on a regular basis. Why would I pay full price?

The cost of many helmets has become quite high, looking at the new Forefront 3 and Fox Speedframe RS (both over $300 CAD). My biggest qualm...

The cost of many helmets has become quite high, looking at the new Forefront 3 and Fox Speedframe RS (both over $300 CAD). My biggest qualm with new helmets is the lack of a built-in spot to mount a helmet light. I have the Forefront 2 that needs replacing, but I am struggling to find something with this feature. I love the look of the new non-RS Fox Speedframe (and its safety rating), but I emailed asking if they made an in-house light mount, and they directed me to a Blackburn gift guide. At least most new helmets come with a glasses storage solution, which I can get behind. 

I do wonder about the difference in safety between the independently conducted Virginia tests versus taking Smith's word. I think it was mentioned a couple of pages back that you only need to send in 5 helmets to get them tested? 

I've noticed the same thing. The last helmet I had with a dedicated light/camera mount was a Bell Sixer, and that's been several years. On my last couple helmets, I put a GoPro mount on the under side of the visor for an Outbound Hangover light. It's compact enough that it doesn't impair my vision and light enough that it doesn't pull the helmet or visor down. 

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3/11/2025 10:25am
schowny wrote:
Won’t let me post a pic but I guess sram are releasing the colourway that’s been spotted on the motive brakes. $980 CAD for the set...
Won’t let me post a pic but I guess sram are releasing the colourway that’s been spotted on the motive brakes. $980 CAD for the set and I would assume it’ll be the same package deals as the maven ultimates that were released a while back: https://www.facebook.com/share/1BSMoLS8Em/?mibextid=79PoIi
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Lever looks used. My guess is a pros take off? Red limited edition was less $ for more, I'm hoping SRAM sells the same too. 

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3/11/2025 12:25pm
schowny wrote:
Won’t let me post a pic but I guess sram are releasing the colourway that’s been spotted on the motive brakes. $980 CAD for the set...
Won’t let me post a pic but I guess sram are releasing the colourway that’s been spotted on the motive brakes. $980 CAD for the set and I would assume it’ll be the same package deals as the maven ultimates that were released a while back: https://www.facebook.com/share/1BSMoLS8Em/?mibextid=79PoIi
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Lever looks used. My guess is a pros take off? Red limited edition was less $ for more, I'm hoping SRAM sells the same too. 

They might do a limited run but in Vancouver Canada anything with a bit of flare seems to go way over priced thanks to scalpers.. someone had Jackson goldstone sign their bike (stock nomad) and are trying to get $15,000 CAD for it.. I couldn’t see sram charging more for this kit than the other ultimate mavens Ltd they released
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3/11/2025 12:37pm

What do you guys mean by light mount? Having a gopro mount is enough for me in that regard, but I did print a ton of adapters to adapt various lights to gopro mounts... 

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3/11/2025 1:08pm
Primoz wrote:
What do you guys mean by light mount? Having a gopro mount is enough for me in that regard, but I did print a ton of...

What do you guys mean by light mount? Having a gopro mount is enough for me in that regard, but I did print a ton of adapters to adapt various lights to gopro mounts... 

Agreed, what's wrong with the ubiquitous GoPro mount?  They're cheaper, smaller, lighter, and more stable than the integrated options that Smith and Bell used to offer.

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3/11/2025 2:14pm

Lever looks used. My guess is a pros take off? Red limited edition was less $ for more, I'm hoping SRAM sells the same too. 

i noticed that too, not sure if that was just a pic for the ad? it did state "20 sets coming in".... 

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3/11/2025 2:45pm
jonkranked wrote:

i noticed that too, not sure if that was just a pic for the ad? it did state "20 sets coming in".... 

I vaguely recall they made 1000 of the red. FWIW

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3/11/2025 2:54pm
saskskier wrote:
It's not about me not valuing my safety, but rather about the cost of stuff. So many helmets that go on sale on a regular basis...

It's not about me not valuing my safety, but rather about the cost of stuff. So many helmets that go on sale on a regular basis, there's no way I'm spending $240 on any helmet (maybe a full face?). When I find something that fits properly, I'll wait until it goes on sale. For example, POC has 40-50% off sales on a regular basis. Why would I pay full price?

The cost of many helmets has become quite high, looking at the new Forefront 3 and Fox Speedframe RS (both over $300 CAD). My biggest qualm...

The cost of many helmets has become quite high, looking at the new Forefront 3 and Fox Speedframe RS (both over $300 CAD). My biggest qualm with new helmets is the lack of a built-in spot to mount a helmet light. I have the Forefront 2 that needs replacing, but I am struggling to find something with this feature. I love the look of the new non-RS Fox Speedframe (and its safety rating), but I emailed asking if they made an in-house light mount, and they directed me to a Blackburn gift guide. At least most new helmets come with a glasses storage solution, which I can get behind. 

I do wonder about the difference in safety between the independently conducted Virginia tests versus taking Smith's word. I think it was mentioned a couple of pages back that you only need to send in 5 helmets to get them tested? 

I've noticed the same thing. The last helmet I had with a dedicated light/camera mount was a Bell Sixer, and that's been several years. On my...

I've noticed the same thing. The last helmet I had with a dedicated light/camera mount was a Bell Sixer, and that's been several years. On my last couple helmets, I put a GoPro mount on the under side of the visor for an Outbound Hangover light. It's compact enough that it doesn't impair my vision and light enough that it doesn't pull the helmet or visor down. 

I believe the reason helmet companies no longer do manufacturer-made mounts on the top of helmets is safety/liability. Adding something to the top of the helmet can drastically change its safety performance, and I bet the legal team said no more. 

BTW I just use a glue on go pro mount and attach whatever light I want. 

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3/11/2025 4:05pm
iceman2058 wrote:

More new goods dropping today, this time it's that new stem from Race Face: https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/race-face-introduces-all-ne….

Not a dig at Vital but more at stem makers, since so much emphasis there is on the look of the stem (we do look at them a lot during climbing), please list the length that is pictured. The 60mm is kinda obvious but sometime the look of the 50 and 40mm option varies greatly and can be hard to spot which is which in press photo without captions.

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3/11/2025 4:25pm
schowny wrote:
Won’t let me post a pic but I guess sram are releasing the colourway that’s been spotted on the motive brakes. $980 CAD for the set...
Won’t let me post a pic but I guess sram are releasing the colourway that’s been spotted on the motive brakes. $980 CAD for the set and I would assume it’ll be the same package deals as the maven ultimates that were released a while back: https://www.facebook.com/share/1BSMoLS8Em/?mibextid=79PoIi
jonkranked wrote:
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Lever looks used. My guess is a pros take off? Red limited edition was less $ for more, I'm hoping SRAM sells the same too. 

If anyone at SRAM has a sense of humor, they're going to drop these things on Easter.  

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3/11/2025 4:28pm

New 36 forks gotta be coming soon…. 36s on close out at Jenson 

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3/11/2025 4:39pm Edited Date/Time 3/11/2025 5:11pm
iceman2058 wrote:

More new goods dropping today, this time it's that new stem from Race Face: https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/race-face-introduces-all-ne….

1llumA wrote:
Not a dig at Vital but more at stem makers, since so much emphasis there is on the look of the stem (we do look at...

Not a dig at Vital but more at stem makers, since so much emphasis there is on the look of the stem (we do look at them a lot during climbing), please list the length that is pictured. The 60mm is kinda obvious but sometime the look of the 50 and 40mm option varies greatly and can be hard to spot which is which in press photo without captions.

RaceFace's website shows each length and each color as selected in the drop-down menu.

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3/11/2025 7:54pm
jonkranked wrote:
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image 228.png?VersionId=4LoWtQt9XPL6cIO584cuaqAX

Lever looks used. My guess is a pros take off? Red limited edition was less $ for more, I'm hoping SRAM sells the same too. 

If anyone at SRAM has a sense of humor, they're going to drop these things on Easter.  

If anyone at SRAM has a sense of humor, they're going to drop these things on Easter.  

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These are a limited edition in the same way as the red ones were, you'll get all the same things with these as you got with the red ones. Probably more money than the red ones were #inflationstation

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3/11/2025 11:59pm

New 36 forks gotta be coming soon…. 36s on close out at Jenson 

fox has a firesale on 36s u. float X2s, new gen must be close.

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3/12/2025 5:47am
iceman2058 wrote:

More new goods dropping today, this time it's that new stem from Race Face: https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/race-face-introduces-all-ne….

1llumA wrote:
Not a dig at Vital but more at stem makers, since so much emphasis there is on the look of the stem (we do look at...

Not a dig at Vital but more at stem makers, since so much emphasis there is on the look of the stem (we do look at them a lot during climbing), please list the length that is pictured. The 60mm is kinda obvious but sometime the look of the 50 and 40mm option varies greatly and can be hard to spot which is which in press photo without captions.

in that case the shorter one is the 40mm

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3/12/2025 6:53am

Something new is coming from Pivot, Firebird?IMG 7315 0.jpeg?VersionId=PskIH8WUYQOrhv kzBUsByDAgYJNK

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3/12/2025 9:13am

Anyone ridden and Esker? I wasn't a fan of their (or anyone's) swoopy carbon frames, but IIRC the handful of reviews I saw were generally favorable. The new frames are available in either Ti or aluminum. Geo looks good. Pricing is reasonable.

Esker Cycles Releases the Howdy and Woodsy Full-Suspension Bikes In Aluminum and Titanium

Radavist had a good intro (sorry @sspomer) https://theradavist.com/esker-cycles-howdy-and-woodsy-full-suspension-b…

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3/12/2025 9:33am
brefsky wrote:
Something new is coming from Pivot, Firebird?

Something new is coming from Pivot, Firebird?IMG 7315 0.jpeg?VersionId=PskIH8WUYQOrhv kzBUsByDAgYJNK

No two chainz…🤯

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