For one, yeah if I was the CEO of a company that supplied DIY frame kits that contained what ever suspension design, Id be losing my...
For one, yeah if I was the CEO of a company that supplied DIY frame kits that contained what ever suspension design, Id be losing my hair at 26 because of lawsuits. People would not be buying bikes, they would be buying hospital trips on wheels. Then Id be buying an Army of lawyers to hopefully protect my ass haha.
But I did think about Atherton bikes having a frame that is very customizable using their tech. The frame would only be a single pivot for simplicity sake. But you get some freedom on the numbers, stiffness inserts, gearbox or not, intended travel, Atherton just makes sure you wont die. Id definitely buy a 170/150 27.5 gearbox atherton frame. ( I know. Im weird, thats okay.) I just dont want DW6 race ready, long reach, straight vertical seat post in my ass.
Anyways, something to note about cost in the frames, Athertons and Starlings, while different materials, use straight tubes. This Pivot frame does not. Im sure that can make a difference in cost to have even the smallest kink in a tube.
Yup, one thing I've learned from making things out of all kinds of things from all kinds of materials is that glue can be one of...
Yup, one thing I've learned from making things out of all kinds of things from all kinds of materials is that glue can be one of the strongest joints when the parts have the correct clearance, surface finish, cleanliness, application method, fixturing, temperature and cure time but if just one of things is wrong it might be completely useless! A bike company could maybe control 1 or 2 of those things before shipping the parts out but leaving the rest in the hands of a customer is a recipe for disaster...
With that said, if I had to choose between a frame bonded by pivot or the average pinkbiker, it would be a tough decision.
You would have to ship the alignment fixture to put it all together as well.The secret sauce or added value in frames is not so much...
You would have to ship the alignment fixture to put it all together as well.
The secret sauce or added value in frames is not so much the design and making parts as much as putting everything together into a functioning, straight product is.
Solution: Oval tubes! Now the only way to get them to fit is also the way to perfectly align them!
I've ridden some pretty poorly aligned road & mountain bike frames in my day from the Big Boys, so esp. with the context of DIY, I think people would be more tolerant (hehe) that you'd think.
Apart from what you've already mentioned, the jig to bond those together with acceptable alignment would cost more than the bag of parts of you just...
Apart from what you've already mentioned, the jig to bond those together with acceptable alignment would cost more than the bag of parts of you just bought.
This is why is a good business idea- Sell a DIY bamboo jig too!
Can we stop with the pipe dreaming, people would be more likely to glue their head to the table than properly use industrial adhesives in a...
Can we stop with the pipe dreaming, people would be more likely to glue their head to the table than properly use industrial adhesives in a frame jig.
Most people struggle with IKEA,
I recently had to re-attach the rear view mirror mounting button to my car's windscreen and, judging by the poor user reviews for the kit I used, the average person can't even manage to properly prep a glass/ceramic substrate (using a supplied cleaning/activation pad!) and apply a single drop of adhesive to it.
But it's only been up for a few months so it remains to be seen which group I'm in...
New Whyte eMTB releasing March 6th.Looks like mechanical T-Type as per the housing at the rear, the housing near handlebar/headset that is routed internally and the...
New Whyte eMTB releasing March 6th.
Looks like mechanical T-Type as per the housing at the rear, the housing near handlebar/headset that is routed internally and the shifter shape that is not looking like the usual square POD.
New Whyte eMTB releasing March 6th.Looks like mechanical T-Type as per the housing at the rear, the housing near handlebar/headset that is routed internally and the...
New Whyte eMTB releasing March 6th.
Looks like mechanical T-Type as per the housing at the rear, the housing near handlebar/headset that is routed internally and the shifter shape that is not looking like the usual square POD.
Almost but not quite.There will be a mechanical T-type spec option but that launches later when the embargo lifts.What you see is the cable which runs...
Almost but not quite.
There will be a mechanical T-type spec option but that launches later when the embargo lifts.
What you see is the cable which runs to the battery from the electronic RD and the controller screen at the handlebar.
This looks like one hell of a bike though.
I wasn't aware that Whyte were switching to wire power/battery as they're currently relying on the regular SRAM external battery on all of their ebikes right now.
i think it's a fantastic track for testing (kinda has everything including some decent speed and riders probably know it well and can feel product tweaks easily), just bonkers so much stuff is out in the open at such a popular locale.
kinda comical people still resort to lapping that "track" for dh testing and training.
I don't think Laguna has much training value... but it is a good place for suspension setup/testing, especially if you're someone like Bernard who is going to get one setup dialed, and then adapt his riding to it from location to location. the high speed chunk/chatter makes for exposing how crap your setup is for compression/rebound. If you can get a comfortable setup for laguna off menu stuff at 10/10ths, then my experience is that setup is g2g as grip gets better and only in mud are you left slowing things down.
i think it's a fantastic track for testing (kinda has everything including some decent speed and riders probably know it well and can feel product tweaks...
i think it's a fantastic track for testing (kinda has everything including some decent speed and riders probably know it well and can feel product tweaks easily), just bonkers so much stuff is out in the open at such a popular locale.
As long as you don't wear a team uniform and draw attention to yourself almost nobody notices, especially on work days. I rode Digit prototypes around Laguna for years and nobody noticed. That all changed when I added stickers, started telling the story, and wearing a logo jersey.
I don't think Laguna has much training value... but it is a good place for suspension setup/testing, especially if you're someone like Bernard who is going...
I don't think Laguna has much training value... but it is a good place for suspension setup/testing, especially if you're someone like Bernard who is going to get one setup dialed, and then adapt his riding to it from location to location. the high speed chunk/chatter makes for exposing how crap your setup is for compression/rebound. If you can get a comfortable setup for laguna off menu stuff at 10/10ths, then my experience is that setup is g2g as grip gets better and only in mud are you left slowing things down.
I'm not saying the trail itself isn't worthy. It could use more maintenance and trimming but it does the job.
Its more the bizarre nature of top level professional athletes on prototype gear blitzing a trail in public open space that's crowded with hikers, dog walkers, jerrys etc. Like why hasn't MTB in the US/CA progressed to a point where these companies have private tracks? Seems pretty advantageous for R&D and added benefit for athletes that visit.
I don't think Laguna has much training value... but it is a good place for suspension setup/testing, especially if you're someone like Bernard who is going...
I don't think Laguna has much training value... but it is a good place for suspension setup/testing, especially if you're someone like Bernard who is going to get one setup dialed, and then adapt his riding to it from location to location. the high speed chunk/chatter makes for exposing how crap your setup is for compression/rebound. If you can get a comfortable setup for laguna off menu stuff at 10/10ths, then my experience is that setup is g2g as grip gets better and only in mud are you left slowing things down.
I'm not saying the trail itself isn't worthy. It could use more maintenance and trimming but it does the job.Its more the bizarre nature of top...
I'm not saying the trail itself isn't worthy. It could use more maintenance and trimming but it does the job.
Its more the bizarre nature of top level professional athletes on prototype gear blitzing a trail in public open space that's crowded with hikers, dog walkers, jerrys etc. Like why hasn't MTB in the US/CA progressed to a point where these companies have private tracks? Seems pretty advantageous for R&D and added benefit for athletes that visit.
He's passing through SoCal for a few days, visiting sponsors (Crank Brothers is in Laguna) and meeting up with Fox and Pinkerton (who lives around the corner).
I don't think Laguna has much training value... but it is a good place for suspension setup/testing, especially if you're someone like Bernard who is going...
I don't think Laguna has much training value... but it is a good place for suspension setup/testing, especially if you're someone like Bernard who is going to get one setup dialed, and then adapt his riding to it from location to location. the high speed chunk/chatter makes for exposing how crap your setup is for compression/rebound. If you can get a comfortable setup for laguna off menu stuff at 10/10ths, then my experience is that setup is g2g as grip gets better and only in mud are you left slowing things down.
I'm not saying the trail itself isn't worthy. It could use more maintenance and trimming but it does the job.Its more the bizarre nature of top...
I'm not saying the trail itself isn't worthy. It could use more maintenance and trimming but it does the job.
Its more the bizarre nature of top level professional athletes on prototype gear blitzing a trail in public open space that's crowded with hikers, dog walkers, jerrys etc. Like why hasn't MTB in the US/CA progressed to a point where these companies have private tracks? Seems pretty advantageous for R&D and added benefit for athletes that visit.
There aren't many, if any jerry's on the off the menu stuff. Telonics is fairly isolated other the the fire road transfer and cross over. If you know of a shuttle-able trail close to the socal mtb industry, that can push a dh bike and has ocean views to enjoy, then I think those people would be stoked to hear about it.
While there are plenty of things that I do/don't love about living in socal... Ripping trails before/after work with ocean views that are world class difficult and looking at the sunrise/sunset, definitely gets filed in the love side of the equation. Doing that is notable/memorable to those that visit, and the trail conditions and grip are absolute trash so it makes for a good way to push the limits of the hardware/gray matter.
Regarding test tracks... that mostly has to do with land access issues and real estate cost here in California. Some brands have some trails/areas that they use (Specialized = aurburn, There was a trail just above lake elsinore that gwin used, there is stuff in aptos and ucsc that other brands use).
I don't think Laguna has much training value... but it is a good place for suspension setup/testing, especially if you're someone like Bernard who is going...
I don't think Laguna has much training value... but it is a good place for suspension setup/testing, especially if you're someone like Bernard who is going to get one setup dialed, and then adapt his riding to it from location to location. the high speed chunk/chatter makes for exposing how crap your setup is for compression/rebound. If you can get a comfortable setup for laguna off menu stuff at 10/10ths, then my experience is that setup is g2g as grip gets better and only in mud are you left slowing things down.
I'm not saying the trail itself isn't worthy. It could use more maintenance and trimming but it does the job.Its more the bizarre nature of top...
I'm not saying the trail itself isn't worthy. It could use more maintenance and trimming but it does the job.
Its more the bizarre nature of top level professional athletes on prototype gear blitzing a trail in public open space that's crowded with hikers, dog walkers, jerrys etc. Like why hasn't MTB in the US/CA progressed to a point where these companies have private tracks? Seems pretty advantageous for R&D and added benefit for athletes that visit.
He's passing through SoCal for a few days, visiting sponsors (Crank Brothers is in Laguna) and meeting up with Fox and Pinkerton (who lives around the...
He's passing through SoCal for a few days, visiting sponsors (Crank Brothers is in Laguna) and meeting up with Fox and Pinkerton (who lives around the corner).
You lads may be overthinking this.
He's ridden there at least once before too, w/ Richie Schley and some absolute hero on a 120mm bike who nearly dropped him...
Edit: "there" == Laguna, don't remember which trails...
I don't think Laguna has much training value... but it is a good place for suspension setup/testing, especially if you're someone like Bernard who is going...
I don't think Laguna has much training value... but it is a good place for suspension setup/testing, especially if you're someone like Bernard who is going to get one setup dialed, and then adapt his riding to it from location to location. the high speed chunk/chatter makes for exposing how crap your setup is for compression/rebound. If you can get a comfortable setup for laguna off menu stuff at 10/10ths, then my experience is that setup is g2g as grip gets better and only in mud are you left slowing things down.
I'm not saying the trail itself isn't worthy. It could use more maintenance and trimming but it does the job.Its more the bizarre nature of top...
I'm not saying the trail itself isn't worthy. It could use more maintenance and trimming but it does the job.
Its more the bizarre nature of top level professional athletes on prototype gear blitzing a trail in public open space that's crowded with hikers, dog walkers, jerrys etc. Like why hasn't MTB in the US/CA progressed to a point where these companies have private tracks? Seems pretty advantageous for R&D and added benefit for athletes that visit.
If recognizable athletes are "testing" gear out in the open at popular spots, theyre doing it to get noticed. especially rolling in with an entourage......
With that said, if I had to choose between a frame bonded by pivot or the average pinkbiker, it would be a tough decision.
Would you take one with 316 stainless lugs and Reynolds tubes? I'll even throw in some redundancy with bolts and double lapped joints?
Solution: Oval tubes! Now the only way to get them to fit is also the way to perfectly align them!
I've ridden some pretty poorly aligned road & mountain bike frames in my day from the Big Boys, so esp. with the context of DIY, I think people would be more tolerant (hehe) that you'd think.
its just liability suicide.
This is why is a good business idea- Sell a DIY bamboo jig too!
Can we stop with the pipe dreaming, people would be more likely to glue their head to the table than properly use industrial adhesives in a frame jig.
Most people struggle with IKEA,
Tread softly, for you tread on my dreams
Maybe the new Forbidden...
I too dream about gluing my head to the table.
I recently had to re-attach the rear view mirror mounting button to my car's windscreen and, judging by the poor user reviews for the kit I used, the average person can't even manage to properly prep a glass/ceramic substrate (using a supplied cleaning/activation pad!) and apply a single drop of adhesive to it.
But it's only been up for a few months so it remains to be seen which group I'm in...
https://www.bikeradar.com/news/new-zipp-wheelset-with-integrated-tyre-pressure-sensor-spotted
tech wise, nothing that hasn’t been done before, but Zipp wheels and (presumably) tyrewiz combined into the same product.
Both brands under the SRAM umbrella, so will we see a mtb version soon?
This has been done on the 3zero Moto for some years already.
not integrated
Almost but not quite.
There will be a mechanical T-type spec option but that launches later when the embargo lifts.
What you see is the cable which runs to the battery from the electronic RD and the controller screen at the handlebar.
This looks like one hell of a bike though.
Looks nice for sure (Bosch gen5 800w)
New TRP brakes are compatible with Bosch ABS
Edit: this could be old news, not too plugged into ABS brake thing
I wasn't aware that Whyte were switching to wire power/battery as they're currently relying on the regular SRAM external battery on all of their ebikes right now.
Thanks for the clarifications.
New Fox X2... nerd kerrrrs vlog
wonder if it'd be worth renting a car from jan to march and just living at TOTW parking lot to snag shots of stuff being tested?
kinda comical people still resort to lapping that "track" for dh testing and training.
i think it's a fantastic track for testing (kinda has everything including some decent speed and riders probably know it well and can feel product tweaks easily), just bonkers so much stuff is out in the open at such a popular locale.
I don't think Laguna has much training value... but it is a good place for suspension setup/testing, especially if you're someone like Bernard who is going to get one setup dialed, and then adapt his riding to it from location to location. the high speed chunk/chatter makes for exposing how crap your setup is for compression/rebound. If you can get a comfortable setup for laguna off menu stuff at 10/10ths, then my experience is that setup is g2g as grip gets better and only in mud are you left slowing things down.
As long as you don't wear a team uniform and draw attention to yourself almost nobody notices, especially on work days. I rode Digit prototypes around Laguna for years and nobody noticed. That all changed when I added stickers, started telling the story, and wearing a logo jersey.
I'm not saying the trail itself isn't worthy. It could use more maintenance and trimming but it does the job.
Its more the bizarre nature of top level professional athletes on prototype gear blitzing a trail in public open space that's crowded with hikers, dog walkers, jerrys etc. Like why hasn't MTB in the US/CA progressed to a point where these companies have private tracks? Seems pretty advantageous for R&D and added benefit for athletes that visit.
He's passing through SoCal for a few days, visiting sponsors (Crank Brothers is in Laguna) and meeting up with Fox and Pinkerton (who lives around the corner).
You lads may be overthinking this.
There aren't many, if any jerry's on the off the menu stuff. Telonics is fairly isolated other the the fire road transfer and cross over. If you know of a shuttle-able trail close to the socal mtb industry, that can push a dh bike and has ocean views to enjoy, then I think those people would be stoked to hear about it.
While there are plenty of things that I do/don't love about living in socal... Ripping trails before/after work with ocean views that are world class difficult and looking at the sunrise/sunset, definitely gets filed in the love side of the equation. Doing that is notable/memorable to those that visit, and the trail conditions and grip are absolute trash so it makes for a good way to push the limits of the hardware/gray matter.
Regarding test tracks... that mostly has to do with land access issues and real estate cost here in California. Some brands have some trails/areas that they use (Specialized = aurburn, There was a trail just above lake elsinore that gwin used, there is stuff in aptos and ucsc that other brands use).
He's ridden there at least once before too, w/ Richie Schley and some absolute hero on a 120mm bike who nearly dropped him...
Edit: "there" == Laguna, don't remember which trails...
If recognizable athletes are "testing" gear out in the open at popular spots, theyre doing it to get noticed. especially rolling in with an entourage......
Not really a surprise since TRP will also provide the Bosch Autoshift System
https://trpcycling.com/pages/e-a-s-i-a12
Definitely trying to get a slice of that "i need a full power full suspension bike path basher but can't be trusted to brake or shift on my own" pie.
Would look sweet on the new Rail.
This same frame was in a deleted post on Unno's ig page that was submitted on 818 page by 3ullit