It even says in the main article " XS (tested), Small and Medium (cough, cough, slalom anyone?) sizes ". That higher leverage is also good for...
It even says in the main article " XS (tested), Small and Medium (cough, cough, slalom anyone?) sizes ". That higher leverage is also good for bottom out right? So it could make it a fun slalom or slopeduro build.
That would depend on the overall progression of the frame. Higher leverage ratio means easier to get into the travel, essentially it means you have a longer lever arm to compress the shock, more of a mechanical advantage. If it stays higher through the whole travel, and isn't as progressive, like it starts with a 3.5 lr and goes to a 2.5 lr at the end and the larger bike starts at 3.0 and goes to 2.0, assuming a linear curve, that's 28% progressive vs 30%. If the shock volume and pressures the same, the 28% would have less bottom out resistance than the 30%. That's over simplifying it by a lot, but for dual Slalom, I would want a bike that is firmer across the board, so a lower leverage ratio for the same shock pressures, so I can push into the bike and pump.
Yes, only the majority of humans on earth would fit on a Scout. It's a bit strange, you see other brands like Norco with the sight youth...
Yes, only the majority of humans on earth would fit on a Scout.
It's a bit strange, you see other brands like Norco with the sight youth offering it in a one-size, likewise with Rocky with the youth Reaper (you can't tell me that renamed thunderbolt is the same model as the other reaper, Ken!). Transition has gone seemingly all-in on this one, offering three distinct frame sizes to cover all the possible "youth" sizes.
I'm honestly a bit baffled that the medium exists at all when that rider is clearly in regular-bike territory. Why is a parent buying this "youth bike" new in medium for $4,500 when, at that pricepoint (or less), the market is flooded with new, new-discounted, and used models that should work just as well? They obviously felt they wouldn't sell enough 27.5 bikes in large to add another size and call it a not-youth bike, so why do they think the medium will work? It's strange!
I think for someone looking for a 27.5 bike that actually doesnt look too bad for the price. Shimano xt, DT swiss wheels, and marzocchi suspension...
I think for someone looking for a 27.5 bike that actually doesnt look too bad for the price. Shimano xt, DT swiss wheels, and marzocchi suspension. Might not be great value compared to some of the discounts but it isnt bad
Sure, but:1. why not make a large then? They already have the tooling!2. having sold a ton of "expensive" bikes to parents, I see this as...
Sure, but:
1. why not make a large then? They already have the tooling!
2. having sold a ton of "expensive" bikes to parents, I see this as a hard sell because the majority of parents are going to be cross shopping with things on discount as well as bikes they perceive as having an easier resell when their kid outgrows it. The true full suspension kids bikes seem to retain their value better than most comparable adult bikes, but I doubt an adult sized kids bike would in the same way. At my shop this thing would be going up against a ton of discounted bikes as well as the flooded used market - honestly a rough time to launch a premium youth bike at all, to be honest.
1. This is just a guess but i wouldnt be surprised if they looked at sales numbers and large and up wernt selling well. How many people over 5'11" do you think are buying full 27.5? And the ones that are how many do you think by a medium anyway for a jump bike
2. I think this is basically an adult bike marketed more towards yound adults. Teenagers may not be growing out of bikes as quickly. I could see that with the Ripcord and Bandit more than the scout. The scout is probably more for when they are say 16 and trying to get more into the sport and might have it for a couple years. Very true though that competing with some of the discounted bikes is difficult. Great pricing for some decent spec right now.
Yes, only the majority of humans on earth would fit on a Scout. It's a bit strange, you see other brands like Norco with the sight youth...
Yes, only the majority of humans on earth would fit on a Scout.
It's a bit strange, you see other brands like Norco with the sight youth offering it in a one-size, likewise with Rocky with the youth Reaper (you can't tell me that renamed thunderbolt is the same model as the other reaper, Ken!). Transition has gone seemingly all-in on this one, offering three distinct frame sizes to cover all the possible "youth" sizes.
I'm honestly a bit baffled that the medium exists at all when that rider is clearly in regular-bike territory. Why is a parent buying this "youth bike" new in medium for $4,500 when, at that pricepoint (or less), the market is flooded with new, new-discounted, and used models that should work just as well? They obviously felt they wouldn't sell enough 27.5 bikes in large to add another size and call it a not-youth bike, so why do they think the medium will work? It's strange!
I think for someone looking for a 27.5 bike that actually doesnt look too bad for the price. Shimano xt, DT swiss wheels, and marzocchi suspension...
I think for someone looking for a 27.5 bike that actually doesnt look too bad for the price. Shimano xt, DT swiss wheels, and marzocchi suspension. Might not be great value compared to some of the discounts but it isnt bad
Sure, but:1. why not make a large then? They already have the tooling!2. having sold a ton of "expensive" bikes to parents, I see this as...
Sure, but:
1. why not make a large then? They already have the tooling!
2. having sold a ton of "expensive" bikes to parents, I see this as a hard sell because the majority of parents are going to be cross shopping with things on discount as well as bikes they perceive as having an easier resell when their kid outgrows it. The true full suspension kids bikes seem to retain their value better than most comparable adult bikes, but I doubt an adult sized kids bike would in the same way. At my shop this thing would be going up against a ton of discounted bikes as well as the flooded used market - honestly a rough time to launch a premium youth bike at all, to be honest.
I think the Medium is probably for a kid on the smaller end to grow into. I don’t see someone 5’9” starting on a Scout even though they’re in the recommended size range. If you’re already in the size range of “adult” bikes then you should start there.
In my opinion, dual 27.5 bikes for average sized riders (and larger) are pointless; and they are dying out for a good reason. Unless you’re doing X-ups and barspins you’re not going to notice the loss of “playfullness” with a mullet and you will benefit from the extra rollover.
That’s my hot take and I will die on this hill. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
I think the Medium is probably for a kid on the smaller end to grow into. I don’t see someone 5’9” starting on a Scout even...
I think the Medium is probably for a kid on the smaller end to grow into. I don’t see someone 5’9” starting on a Scout even though they’re in the recommended size range. If you’re already in the size range of “adult” bikes then you should start there.
In my opinion, dual 27.5 bikes for average sized riders (and larger) are pointless; and they are dying out for a good reason. Unless you’re doing X-ups and barspins you’re not going to notice the loss of “playfullness” with a mullet and you will benefit from the extra rollover.
That’s my hot take and I will die on this hill. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
Not arguing, just curious, but benefit from the extra roll over how? Smoother ride? Able to clean features easier? Is this the same for tight and steep trails?
I think the Medium is probably for a kid on the smaller end to grow into. I don’t see someone 5’9” starting on a Scout even...
I think the Medium is probably for a kid on the smaller end to grow into. I don’t see someone 5’9” starting on a Scout even though they’re in the recommended size range. If you’re already in the size range of “adult” bikes then you should start there.
In my opinion, dual 27.5 bikes for average sized riders (and larger) are pointless; and they are dying out for a good reason. Unless you’re doing X-ups and barspins you’re not going to notice the loss of “playfullness” with a mullet and you will benefit from the extra rollover.
That’s my hot take and I will die on this hill. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
Not arguing, just curious, but benefit from the extra roll over how? Smoother ride? Able to clean features easier? Is this the same for tight and...
Not arguing, just curious, but benefit from the extra roll over how? Smoother ride? Able to clean features easier? Is this the same for tight and steep trails?
The bigger wheel rolls faster because rocks, roots, etc. are smaller relative to the size of the wheel.
This means you’ll carry more speed downhill, and wont have to work as hard on the uphill.
Actually quite nice they offer anything at all. I wish more brands would make bikes for...people on the edges of the size spectrum. I guess it's...
Actually quite nice they offer anything at all. I wish more brands would make bikes for...people on the edges of the size spectrum. I guess it's not the most profitable thing to do as a bike brand, in these times, but finding my 5'2'' wife a comfortable bike is actually pretty hard.
I think for someone looking for a 27.5 bike that actually doesnt look too bad for the price. Shimano xt, DT swiss wheels, and marzocchi suspension...
I think for someone looking for a 27.5 bike that actually doesnt look too bad for the price. Shimano xt, DT swiss wheels, and marzocchi suspension. Might not be great value compared to some of the discounts but it isnt bad
Sure, but:1. why not make a large then? They already have the tooling!2. having sold a ton of "expensive" bikes to parents, I see this as...
Sure, but:
1. why not make a large then? They already have the tooling!
2. having sold a ton of "expensive" bikes to parents, I see this as a hard sell because the majority of parents are going to be cross shopping with things on discount as well as bikes they perceive as having an easier resell when their kid outgrows it. The true full suspension kids bikes seem to retain their value better than most comparable adult bikes, but I doubt an adult sized kids bike would in the same way. At my shop this thing would be going up against a ton of discounted bikes as well as the flooded used market - honestly a rough time to launch a premium youth bike at all, to be honest.
I think the Medium is probably for a kid on the smaller end to grow into. I don’t see someone 5’9” starting on a Scout even...
I think the Medium is probably for a kid on the smaller end to grow into. I don’t see someone 5’9” starting on a Scout even though they’re in the recommended size range. If you’re already in the size range of “adult” bikes then you should start there.
In my opinion, dual 27.5 bikes for average sized riders (and larger) are pointless; and they are dying out for a good reason. Unless you’re doing X-ups and barspins you’re not going to notice the loss of “playfullness” with a mullet and you will benefit from the extra rollover.
That’s my hot take and I will die on this hill. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
I respect your hill but as the owner of a full 29, 29/27.5 mullet, full 27.5, and a 27.5/26 mullet, I can confirm that switching between each brings a whole lot more fun into my life than pigeon-holing myself into only riding wagon wheels. To each their own!
Sorry to bring this back to actual tech rumors but has anyone heard anything on a reverb AXS longer than 170mm being released soon? Seems past due now.
I think for someone looking for a 27.5 bike that actually doesnt look too bad for the price. Shimano xt, DT swiss wheels, and marzocchi suspension...
I think for someone looking for a 27.5 bike that actually doesnt look too bad for the price. Shimano xt, DT swiss wheels, and marzocchi suspension. Might not be great value compared to some of the discounts but it isnt bad
Sure, but:1. why not make a large then? They already have the tooling!2. having sold a ton of "expensive" bikes to parents, I see this as...
Sure, but:
1. why not make a large then? They already have the tooling!
2. having sold a ton of "expensive" bikes to parents, I see this as a hard sell because the majority of parents are going to be cross shopping with things on discount as well as bikes they perceive as having an easier resell when their kid outgrows it. The true full suspension kids bikes seem to retain their value better than most comparable adult bikes, but I doubt an adult sized kids bike would in the same way. At my shop this thing would be going up against a ton of discounted bikes as well as the flooded used market - honestly a rough time to launch a premium youth bike at all, to be honest.
I think the Medium is probably for a kid on the smaller end to grow into. I don’t see someone 5’9” starting on a Scout even...
I think the Medium is probably for a kid on the smaller end to grow into. I don’t see someone 5’9” starting on a Scout even though they’re in the recommended size range. If you’re already in the size range of “adult” bikes then you should start there.
In my opinion, dual 27.5 bikes for average sized riders (and larger) are pointless; and they are dying out for a good reason. Unless you’re doing X-ups and barspins you’re not going to notice the loss of “playfullness” with a mullet and you will benefit from the extra rollover.
That’s my hot take and I will die on this hill. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
As adults we had this pointless argument about front wheel size for years, and now the kids get to have it! At least the kids might actually be doing 360s and "need" it (As if they would speak that way. We could learn a lot from them...)
Sorry to bring this back to actual tech rumors but has anyone heard anything on a reverb AXS longer than 170mm being released soon? Seems past...
Sorry to bring this back to actual tech rumors but has anyone heard anything on a reverb AXS longer than 170mm being released soon? Seems past due now.
There were photos a while back of a RS employee's bike with a dropper with the battery at the collar (a la Fox Neo). Have to assume it's imminent.
Sure, but:1. why not make a large then? They already have the tooling!2. having sold a ton of "expensive" bikes to parents, I see this as...
Sure, but:
1. why not make a large then? They already have the tooling!
2. having sold a ton of "expensive" bikes to parents, I see this as a hard sell because the majority of parents are going to be cross shopping with things on discount as well as bikes they perceive as having an easier resell when their kid outgrows it. The true full suspension kids bikes seem to retain their value better than most comparable adult bikes, but I doubt an adult sized kids bike would in the same way. At my shop this thing would be going up against a ton of discounted bikes as well as the flooded used market - honestly a rough time to launch a premium youth bike at all, to be honest.
I think the Medium is probably for a kid on the smaller end to grow into. I don’t see someone 5’9” starting on a Scout even...
I think the Medium is probably for a kid on the smaller end to grow into. I don’t see someone 5’9” starting on a Scout even though they’re in the recommended size range. If you’re already in the size range of “adult” bikes then you should start there.
In my opinion, dual 27.5 bikes for average sized riders (and larger) are pointless; and they are dying out for a good reason. Unless you’re doing X-ups and barspins you’re not going to notice the loss of “playfullness” with a mullet and you will benefit from the extra rollover.
That’s my hot take and I will die on this hill. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
As adults we had this pointless argument about front wheel size for years, and now the kids get to have it! At least the kids might...
As adults we had this pointless argument about front wheel size for years, and now the kids get to have it! At least the kids might actually be doing 360s and "need" it (As if they would speak that way. We could learn a lot from them...)
I actually know several adults that do the flips and 360 stuff. (not me). I've seen 95% of it done on 26 and 27.5 only.
Mini-mullet should be a thing already, what's holding freeride from coming back?
They don't need to buy new bikes to make it happen, plenty of long travel bikes from a couple years ago have slightly too high BBs and slightly too steep head angles. On a platform where STA doesn't matter, just slap a 26 inch wheel out back and good to go.
Are there any reviews out for the Forbidden Supernought yet? It was released end of last year, yet I haven't seen any of the major outlets do a review yet.
I get your point about freeride guys, thank you very much. But then (and I'm sorry if I end up derailling the thread) What is going on with the way Fox is positioning Marzochi? Now that they "downgraded" the Z1 to rail damper and finally have a pair of oem options to offer even bellow the fox rhythm lineup... The other two options they have, the more premium ones, are the 58, that its been only available in 27.5 since the begining, and the new super z, wich oposing to some opinions here, has been released in both 27.5 and 29 (I am assuming there are some substantial differences between this and a 38, as the later one tops out at 180mm and the new one goes 10mm further)
I mean, fork availability is key if you want to design that certain type of bike, I know brands keep legacy components in the market, so old bikes can still be serviced an kept running but... Thats a new, my2025 fork, so?
I cant wrap my head around this, the same about those new 26" conti enduro tyres... Of course you can get minions in that size, they have been available since forever... But wasn't 26" dead? Maybe i am just looking at it from a wrong point of view...
I think they’re trying to do two things with the brand simultaneously.
They’re trying to position it as the cool freeride brand with things like the Bomber DJ, the 58 and Super Z.
But they’re also trying to create an offering to compete with the ultra cheap RS offerings in the OEM space (like the 35 Gold and Silver) without devaluing the Fox brand image.
I think they’re trying to do two things with the brand simultaneously.They’re trying to position it as the cool freeride brand with things like the Bomber...
I think they’re trying to do two things with the brand simultaneously.
They’re trying to position it as the cool freeride brand with things like the Bomber DJ, the 58 and Super Z.
But they’re also trying to create an offering to compete with the ultra cheap RS offerings in the OEM space (like the 35 Gold and Silver) without devaluing the Fox brand image.
I often pondered this, but then they go ahead and release absolute turds like the AWL series for (yuk) e-suvs. In that case, sacrificing image can't be all that important to them, all for a segment that probably doesn't notice who makes anything on their bike.
I think they’re trying to do two things with the brand simultaneously.They’re trying to position it as the cool freeride brand with things like the Bomber...
I think they’re trying to do two things with the brand simultaneously.
They’re trying to position it as the cool freeride brand with things like the Bomber DJ, the 58 and Super Z.
But they’re also trying to create an offering to compete with the ultra cheap RS offerings in the OEM space (like the 35 Gold and Silver) without devaluing the Fox brand image.
I often pondered this, but then they go ahead and release absolute turds like the AWL series for (yuk) e-suvs. In that case, sacrificing image can't...
I often pondered this, but then they go ahead and release absolute turds like the AWL series for (yuk) e-suvs. In that case, sacrificing image can't be all that important to them, all for a segment that probably doesn't notice who makes anything on their bike.
Love the phrasing but hard disagree on the last point, in the interior of BC people notice FOX because... interior BC. Marzocci simply wouldn't cut it.
I get your point about freeride guys, thank you very much. But then (and I'm sorry if I end up derailling the thread) What is going...
I get your point about freeride guys, thank you very much. But then (and I'm sorry if I end up derailling the thread) What is going on with the way Fox is positioning Marzochi? Now that they "downgraded" the Z1 to rail damper and finally have a pair of oem options to offer even bellow the fox rhythm lineup... The other two options they have, the more premium ones, are the 58, that its been only available in 27.5 since the begining, and the new super z, wich oposing to some opinions here, has been released in both 27.5 and 29 (I am assuming there are some substantial differences between this and a 38, as the later one tops out at 180mm and the new one goes 10mm further)
I mean, fork availability is key if you want to design that certain type of bike, I know brands keep legacy components in the market, so old bikes can still be serviced an kept running but... Thats a new, my2025 fork, so?
I cant wrap my head around this, the same about those new 26" conti enduro tyres... Of course you can get minions in that size, they have been available since forever... But wasn't 26" dead? Maybe i am just looking at it from a wrong point of view...
I have a project brewing for next summer that's a mini mullet park bike and honestly I've been surprised at the fact I can have matching modern Conti tires and matching 27.5/26" rims at this point that can handle bike park riding. Basically, I haven't had to go down any rabbit holes to find good stuff that can handle me, a 200lb, poor line choice hack riding in a bike park and even working in shops, I'm blown away by that considering it was like pulling teeth the last 5-6 years.
An "elastic" pawl system that could be both high engagement, but also provide some elasticity in the system to "quiet" chain movement, Which I think is what most people feel as "pedal kickback"
I wasn’t trying to be a Richard in my post I can’t tell if it comes across that way. My B.
All good,
As a side note, he did link to a competitors website (Bike Rumour) which is where PB prolly robbed it from. Bike rumours page has much more info, and more detailed pics/drawings.
So @jonkranked, appreciate you posting it, and @Whattheheel appreciate you pointing out a better source,
Who's Richard......wait, wait........I think i got it, Love it
That would depend on the overall progression of the frame. Higher leverage ratio means easier to get into the travel, essentially it means you have a longer lever arm to compress the shock, more of a mechanical advantage. If it stays higher through the whole travel, and isn't as progressive, like it starts with a 3.5 lr and goes to a 2.5 lr at the end and the larger bike starts at 3.0 and goes to 2.0, assuming a linear curve, that's 28% progressive vs 30%. If the shock volume and pressures the same, the 28% would have less bottom out resistance than the 30%. That's over simplifying it by a lot, but for dual Slalom, I would want a bike that is firmer across the board, so a lower leverage ratio for the same shock pressures, so I can push into the bike and pump.
1. This is just a guess but i wouldnt be surprised if they looked at sales numbers and large and up wernt selling well. How many people over 5'11" do you think are buying full 27.5? And the ones that are how many do you think by a medium anyway for a jump bike
2. I think this is basically an adult bike marketed more towards yound adults. Teenagers may not be growing out of bikes as quickly. I could see that with the Ripcord and Bandit more than the scout. The scout is probably more for when they are say 16 and trying to get more into the sport and might have it for a couple years. Very true though that competing with some of the discounted bikes is difficult. Great pricing for some decent spec right now.
I think the Medium is probably for a kid on the smaller end to grow into. I don’t see someone 5’9” starting on a Scout even though they’re in the recommended size range. If you’re already in the size range of “adult” bikes then you should start there.
In my opinion, dual 27.5 bikes for average sized riders (and larger) are pointless; and they are dying out for a good reason. Unless you’re doing X-ups and barspins you’re not going to notice the loss of “playfullness” with a mullet and you will benefit from the extra rollover.
That’s my hot take and I will die on this hill. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
Not arguing, just curious, but benefit from the extra roll over how? Smoother ride? Able to clean features easier? Is this the same for tight and steep trails?
The bigger wheel rolls faster because rocks, roots, etc. are smaller relative to the size of the wheel.
This means you’ll carry more speed downhill, and wont have to work as hard on the uphill.
Is it? They make small and XS
Purely cosmetic for our enjoyment 😏
Intend responded to someone on IG and said that they will release more on that shock soon.
I respect your hill but as the owner of a full 29, 29/27.5 mullet, full 27.5, and a 27.5/26 mullet, I can confirm that switching between each brings a whole lot more fun into my life than pigeon-holing myself into only riding wagon wheels. To each their own!
Mini-mullet should be a thing already, what's holding freeride from coming back?
Rampage is 🤷😚
And sales numbers.
Sorry to bring this back to actual tech rumors but has anyone heard anything on a reverb AXS longer than 170mm being released soon? Seems past due now.
As adults we had this pointless argument about front wheel size for years, and now the kids get to have it! At least the kids might actually be doing 360s and "need" it (As if they would speak that way. We could learn a lot from them...)
There were photos a while back of a RS employee's bike with a dropper with the battery at the collar (a la Fox Neo). Have to assume it's imminent.
I actually know several adults that do the flips and 360 stuff. (not me). I've seen 95% of it done on 26 and 27.5 only.
They don't need to buy new bikes to make it happen, plenty of long travel bikes from a couple years ago have slightly too high BBs and slightly too steep head angles. On a platform where STA doesn't matter, just slap a 26 inch wheel out back and good to go.
Are there any reviews out for the Forbidden Supernought yet? It was released end of last year, yet I haven't seen any of the major outlets do a review yet.
I get your point about freeride guys, thank you very much. But then (and I'm sorry if I end up derailling the thread) What is going on with the way Fox is positioning Marzochi? Now that they "downgraded" the Z1 to rail damper and finally have a pair of oem options to offer even bellow the fox rhythm lineup... The other two options they have, the more premium ones, are the 58, that its been only available in 27.5 since the begining, and the new super z, wich oposing to some opinions here, has been released in both 27.5 and 29 (I am assuming there are some substantial differences between this and a 38, as the later one tops out at 180mm and the new one goes 10mm further)
I mean, fork availability is key if you want to design that certain type of bike, I know brands keep legacy components in the market, so old bikes can still be serviced an kept running but... Thats a new, my2025 fork, so?
I cant wrap my head around this, the same about those new 26" conti enduro tyres... Of course you can get minions in that size, they have been available since forever... But wasn't 26" dead? Maybe i am just looking at it from a wrong point of view...
I think they’re trying to do two things with the brand simultaneously.
They’re trying to position it as the cool freeride brand with things like the Bomber DJ, the 58 and Super Z.
But they’re also trying to create an offering to compete with the ultra cheap RS offerings in the OEM space (like the 35 Gold and Silver) without devaluing the Fox brand image.
I often pondered this, but then they go ahead and release absolute turds like the AWL series for (yuk) e-suvs. In that case, sacrificing image can't be all that important to them, all for a segment that probably doesn't notice who makes anything on their bike.
Love the phrasing but hard disagree on the last point, in the interior of BC people notice FOX because... interior BC. Marzocci simply wouldn't cut it.
Government land management
I have a project brewing for next summer that's a mini mullet park bike and honestly I've been surprised at the fact I can have matching modern Conti tires and matching 27.5/26" rims at this point that can handle bike park riding. Basically, I haven't had to go down any rabbit holes to find good stuff that can handle me, a 200lb, poor line choice hack riding in a bike park and even working in shops, I'm blown away by that considering it was like pulling teeth the last 5-6 years.
I'm sure most of you have seen this,
but this seems really interesting to me,
An "elastic" pawl system that could be both high engagement, but also provide some elasticity in the system to "quiet" chain movement, Which I think is what most people feel as "pedal kickback"
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/lauf-are-working-on-a-wild-freehub-with-s…
Jonkranked posted about it one page ago and didn’t link people to the competitor’s website.
Lauf hub mechanism,
Pics prolly courtesy of that chap that reviews patent application (name escapes me) but hes great!
Pinched from the self proclaimed "biggest mtb media empire in the world"
Completly missed it,
my bad @jonkranked, good find. Thats a really interesting freehub design
I wasn’t trying to be a Richard in my post I can’t tell if it comes across that way. My B.
All good,
As a side note, he did link to a competitors website (Bike Rumour) which is where PB prolly robbed it from. Bike rumours page has much more info, and more detailed pics/drawings.
So @jonkranked, appreciate you posting it, and @Whattheheel appreciate you pointing out a better source,
Who's Richard......wait, wait........I think i got it, Love it