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Looks like some shops already have all the information on what's coming for these new gen SC bikes.
New shock tunnel design, front shock mount sitting in the frame, integrated head tube badge and wireless only.
Wireless only, whack!
Well, Vlad did build that pre we are one so whether you consider the sequence the original or one of the 200mm arrivals that were pre current prototype, thats up to you.
Personally Id not be surprised if we never saw a preduction DH bike from the brand.
Its funny how we’ve fully accepted wireless in every other part of our lives, except when it comes to bikes.
integrated head tube badge
Revolutionary.
if really wireles only they will lose a lot customers… most people i know only buy frames and are re-use their existing highend parts on a new bike.
This would confirm that wireless Di2 is imminent (not the integrated headtube badge).
We wanted and hoped bikes will get cheaper but I guess bike brands don't really care...
With Shimano's wireless groups coming this year I guess it's really goodbye to mechanical groupsets on high end bikes.
All analogy is suspect but 😉
A laptop computer communicating with a wireless access point is smart. Communicating with a wireless mouse is a mostly harmless gimmick with some legitimate convenience added in some cases. Communicating internally wirelessly, like motherboard to daughter to storage etc, is kind of ridiculous. It’s a job wires are especially well suited to.
I’m willing to take the word of the people who swap their wireless dropper post from bike to bike. That’s the mouse in this analogy.
I think the wireless derailleur fits the third example best.
Drop in the bucket. Trek commissioned did a study a number of years ago and it found for high end (4000 USD and above) mountain bikes, SC blew everybody out of the water in terms of sales - including Trek and Specialized. That study kind of made its way around the inside of the industry and speculatively is why a number of companies shifted to copy SC in a number of ways.
Anyway, the point is SC, being the king of high end MTB sales, sells so many bikes to absolute schmuck riders who'd struggle ride out of wet paper bag (and likely don't care about tech) that any enthusiast focused frame-only sales lost from going wireless only do not matter at all to PON holdings.
RE: We hoped bikes would get cheaper but brands don't care
I'm not so sure. I think it's the opposite: they want to make bikes more expensive because that target demographic is who can afford to buy bikes right now. I would further speculate that companies like Specialized, Trek, and Santa Cruz have done some sort of analysis which indicates that while it makes sense to offer some reasonably priced options in the post-covid, high cost of living market glut, it makes more sense to push higher end and more expensive because the people who are going to keep buying new bikes in the current market are those who are either immune or unaffected or actively benefitting from the current trends. These guys are probably baller level customers. Lots of people who'd be getting those price point bikes might have to hold off for now, but the guy who can afford a $12,000 bike with wireless everything and will never service it himself is doing great.
Maybe SC will do a Spesh move and come out with more affordable cable-compatible aluminium versions, right? Right?
And a longer seat tube for droppers over 170mm.
Has anyone seen any info or rumors regarding the release dates of next gen of wireless dropper posts? I've seen the patents for the new AXS Reverb. Also there was the leaked Fox Transfer Neo as well as the BikeYoke showing off something at Eurobike. I haven't seen any solid release dates anywhere though.
The only thing I've seen is "sometime this year" for the Bike Yoke...
gonna catch some downvotes for this but man Santa was already making the most boring bikes for "rad dads" out there in either various shades of vomit or colorways trying too hard to appeal to the cool kids (watermelon nomad lol), going wireless only is making them even less appealing to me.
yeah free bearings etc and the build quality is good from what I've seen, but they lost all their coolness factor at the latest when Roskopp left, now it's just a lifeless husk for PON to milk the bikers who want to overcompensate by means of the name on the downtube.
anyways, sorry for the tangent.
fox now coming out with gold springs to match the gold forks or just a one off?
I think this qualifies as Innovation. If not, sorry.
Interesting Concussion Prevention Tech @ 28:03. I have never heard of this device but it sounds interesting.
https://youtu.be/q0daQB20P9Y?si=4tJQdPMGJ373dyc7
More info here.
Q30 Sports Science: Science of Brain Safety
I have a set of these on my old dirt jump bike. Guy I bought them from was a spesh homer and repainted them and added stickers, slowly working on getting them back to that old silver.
Old silver? EX1750s were white!
Yeah when my wireless mouse doesn’t work that’s a good thing because that means I’m physically at work and can’t keep working, and work fuckin blows. When my wireless derailleur dies I’m super bummed because I actually want it to work.
I saw that! I am currently in the middle of reading about this but as someone who is sadly prone to low-speed concussions I am very, very interested in picking one up. At this point I'll try the snake oil even though this one doesn't seem to be that bad.
wireless only is the second thing after headset routing that will never make me want one of these bikes
Mullet or full 29er convertible like the gen 6 pedal Slash?
My cheap chinese Bafang motor in a cheap carbon frame makes a 42 pound build, and the highest I've seen the reported watt output is about 580 watts. At 70 RPM this is 79nm. The current TQ maxes out at 250 watts (50nm), which is the same as one of my eco modes. Thats unacceptably weak, even for an SL bike. 250 watts paired with a 580 watt/hour battery gives you about two hours of climbing before you hit the low power/eco mode for the final 10-15% of battery. No one will ever use a mode lower than the maximum, as few of us climb for more than two hours in a single ride. Just this morning I got my 410 watt hour battery down to 16% with a 3,800 foot, 20 mile climb, and I'm 195 pounds kitted up with heavy, slow rolling tires. I probably averaged around 270 watts of assistance.
46 pounds will get you an Orbea or Cannondale full powered ebike with a slightly larger battery. Like I've posted before, underpowered ebikes better weight under 45 pounds or they are pointless, unless they have a meaningful price advantage (they don't).
Side note, I personally think the best Ebike right now for most people is the latest Orbea Rise Aluminum, $4,000 at JensonUSA right now, 45 pounds with a full power motor. The battery is only in the 540 watt/hour range, but you can get a 260w/h range extender that now puts you ahead of most full power ebikes at 48 pounds. Granted this is a 150mm (or less) travel bike thats not quite as capable as what this eSlash likely is.
mx only
The cannondale moterra sl and the giant Etrance+ should fit in that slot and it covers the mullet side of things where the rise is full 29r
This has been true for decades.
The top of the market, most expensive, most desirable goods are shockingly stable no matter what the economy as a whole does.
People buying $12,000 and up bikes basically fall into 2 groups.
1. Dedicated hardcore riders who aren't paying full retail, and are throwing the $12,000 bike into a $1,000 car.
2. People with enough free cash that a $12,000 purchase doesn't make a difference to them. The guys who put their $15,000 road bike on top of their Porsche 911.
sorry for off-topic, but I want to discuss forks, specifically if my 170mm travel Lyrik is too long and if I'd benefit from a burlier fork for that travel bracket. Anyone know what forum would be best (that isn't dead)?
If you start a new one, let me know. I want similar input (on a 170mm Bomber Z1 currently)
Can we get a bike check on this thing?
Ya give me a day or two