It's not being marketed as the lightest bike it could be though, just not as heavy as a full power e-bike. They are specifically saying they...
It's not being marketed as the lightest bike it could be though, just not as heavy as a full power e-bike. They are specifically saying they built it to be burly enough for heavy-duty riding, and they went with a mid-power system to keep the weight down, that's all. That said, it will be interesting to see how quickly the market now arrives at traditional full-power levels from lighter systems than the current full-power ones (the arrival of the DJI motor etc etc)...
Orbea Wild (top build, lots of $$$ as counterpoint) is 46 pounds with full class leading power, full sized motor and 600ish wh battery. Given its...
Orbea Wild (top build, lots of $$$ as counterpoint) is 46 pounds with full class leading power, full sized motor and 600ish wh battery. Given its success in the EEWS (or EEWC, or whatever its called now) I would say its "burly enough for heavy duty riding".
I had this argument on the other site before getting my account suspended. Budget low power, or "SL" ebikes, seems to be a losing category business wise. They weigh too much for the assist provided.
I feel like around 42 pounds is the tipping point (unrelated, thats what my DH bike weighed back in the day) where an ebike no longer handles like a natural bike. If you're not going to be close to that 42 pound target, might as well be 50 pounds with the full sized range and power. I've spent a decent time on SL and full powered ebikes, and that experience combined with customers obsession with stat sheets makes me doubt the viability of a 46 pound "SL" ebike.
EWS bikes weigh 38#s properly outfitted.
I'm going to assume that a properly set up E-EWS bike weighs over 50#s, and also eats drivetrains/ wheels/ tires, something the average hobbyist might not be cool with.
I do agree that a low end, mid power, is kind of a weird place to be in because it ends up approaching full power weights.
Like diesel mpgs, people LOVE to exaggerate e-bike weights. Could the absolute lightest Wild in a size medium, 36mm fork, 1K gram tires, no pedals/ tools/ inserts & the small battery option weigh 46#s? Sure, but that's not reality.
BTW, my XL Relay in a high-end build, but dual coil suspension, 1350 gram rear tire, DH rear rim, pedals, 210mm dropper, tools with C02 on board weighs an honest 44.4#s and handles beautifully.
Heard from a very reliable source that they have no plans on bringing super soft into the trail casing or the enduro casing.
The last thing they told me was SuperSoft on enduro casing (which I've now ridden, at the YT Decoy SN launch), and Soft for the trail casing (which I published a picture of in our Sea Otter coverage, so at least one such tire exists). Sounded like no plans for a SuperSoft with trail casing though, correct.
It's not being marketed as the lightest bike it could be though, just not as heavy as a full power e-bike. They are specifically saying they...
It's not being marketed as the lightest bike it could be though, just not as heavy as a full power e-bike. They are specifically saying they built it to be burly enough for heavy-duty riding, and they went with a mid-power system to keep the weight down, that's all. That said, it will be interesting to see how quickly the market now arrives at traditional full-power levels from lighter systems than the current full-power ones (the arrival of the DJI motor etc etc)...
Orbea Wild (top build, lots of $$$ as counterpoint) is 46 pounds with full class leading power, full sized motor and 600ish wh battery. Given its...
Orbea Wild (top build, lots of $$$ as counterpoint) is 46 pounds with full class leading power, full sized motor and 600ish wh battery. Given its success in the EEWS (or EEWC, or whatever its called now) I would say its "burly enough for heavy duty riding".
I had this argument on the other site before getting my account suspended. Budget low power, or "SL" ebikes, seems to be a losing category business wise. They weigh too much for the assist provided.
I feel like around 42 pounds is the tipping point (unrelated, thats what my DH bike weighed back in the day) where an ebike no longer handles like a natural bike. If you're not going to be close to that 42 pound target, might as well be 50 pounds with the full sized range and power. I've spent a decent time on SL and full powered ebikes, and that experience combined with customers obsession with stat sheets makes me doubt the viability of a 46 pound "SL" ebike.
EWS bikes weigh 38#s properly outfitted.
I'm going to assume that a properly set up E-EWS bike weighs over 50#s, and also eats drivetrains/ wheels/ tires...
EWS bikes weigh 38#s properly outfitted.
I'm going to assume that a properly set up E-EWS bike weighs over 50#s, and also eats drivetrains/ wheels/ tires, something the average hobbyist might not be cool with.
I do agree that a low end, mid power, is kind of a weird place to be in because it ends up approaching full power weights.
Like diesel mpgs, people LOVE to exaggerate e-bike weights. Could the absolute lightest Wild in a size medium, 36mm fork, 1K gram tires, no pedals/ tools/ inserts & the small battery option weigh 46#s? Sure, but that's not reality.
BTW, my XL Relay in a high-end build, but dual coil suspension, 1350 gram rear tire, DH rear rim, pedals, 210mm dropper, tools with C02 on board weighs an honest 44.4#s and handles beautifully.
To me, there's a big difference between 45 and 50 lbs in terms of how the bike feels on the trail, and in life in general. The 45 lbs bike I just spent two days on really did have me forgetting I was on an e-bike at times. Even hoisting the thing up onto a lift is "OK" (granted, I'm not a small dude and even though I'm old, the Viking genes are still going strong :-) ). A couple of months ago I spent two days riding a 50 lbs Turbo Levo, and although for general "shredding" that's a very fun and planted ride, I definitely noticed the extra heft. Popping the bike around on smaller features, moving it around in the air, all those little things feel a bit sluggish with that extra battery and motor weight.
As for the builds...yeah, a "real" enduro build will certainly add up to some weight. There's a 350 gram difference between a Fox 36 and a 38, just for starters. If you're gonna actually smash into stuff, you're gonna need real wheels and tires. Of course an "SL" e-bike with 140 mm of travel, a Fox 34 and flimsy trail casings, a 350 wh battery and a 50 nm motor will be significantly lighter, but let's not kid ourselves - it's not an enduro bike even if you can still point it down some rowdy stuff. To me, it's interesting that most of the Super Light e-bikes tend to be actual trail bikes, whereas the full-power ones are the proper enduro bikes. Because the manufacturers are either racing to make the "lightest one" or the one with the most power for climbing. Going forward, maybe we'll start to see bikes divided into 4 quadrants, defined on the one axis by type of riding, and the other by motor size/type.
Iceman also said he has some enduro SS on review. I was also skeptical considering there's been rumor for a while, happy to see it's happening
Well...they keep telling me they're gonna send some, but they have yet to show up... (but yeah, I've actually ridden the SuperSoft enduro tire now, and I really liked it...still hope to get some in for a long term review...)
Well...they keep telling me they're gonna send some, but they have yet to show up... (but yeah, I've actually ridden the SuperSoft enduro tire now, and I...
Well...they keep telling me they're gonna send some, but they have yet to show up... (but yeah, I've actually ridden the SuperSoft enduro tire now, and I really liked it...still hope to get some in for a long term review...)
Which 2.5 front Enduro tire would you choose today for dry rocky e-bike (Relay) usage? Include the Krytoptol Super-soft Enduro casing in that please.
Thanks.
PS. To me, bikes like the Relay, Heckler SL and the Decoy SN make PERFECT sense. I get my super rowdy Enduro rig, but just reduce the suffering and don't have to compromise on tires and other parts in an attempt to reduce rolling resistance so that I can get another run in. That's all I ever wanted.
Well...they keep telling me they're gonna send some, but they have yet to show up... (but yeah, I've actually ridden the SuperSoft enduro tire now, and I...
Well...they keep telling me they're gonna send some, but they have yet to show up... (but yeah, I've actually ridden the SuperSoft enduro tire now, and I really liked it...still hope to get some in for a long term review...)
Which 2.5 front Enduro tire would you choose today for dry rocky e-bike (Relay) usage? Include the Krytoptol Super-soft Enduro casing in that please.
Thanks.
...
Which 2.5 front Enduro tire would you choose today for dry rocky e-bike (Relay) usage? Include the Krytoptol Super-soft Enduro casing in that please.
Thanks.
PS. To me, bikes like the Relay, Heckler SL and the Decoy SN make PERFECT sense. I get my super rowdy Enduro rig, but just reduce the suffering and don't have to compromise on tires and other parts in an attempt to reduce rolling resistance so that I can get another run in. That's all I ever wanted.
This seems like the perfect use case for a direct message
Well...they keep telling me they're gonna send some, but they have yet to show up... (but yeah, I've actually ridden the SuperSoft enduro tire now, and I...
Well...they keep telling me they're gonna send some, but they have yet to show up... (but yeah, I've actually ridden the SuperSoft enduro tire now, and I really liked it...still hope to get some in for a long term review...)
Which 2.5 front Enduro tire would you choose today for dry rocky e-bike (Relay) usage? Include the Krytoptol Super-soft Enduro casing in that please.
Thanks.
...
Which 2.5 front Enduro tire would you choose today for dry rocky e-bike (Relay) usage? Include the Krytoptol Super-soft Enduro casing in that please.
Thanks.
PS. To me, bikes like the Relay, Heckler SL and the Decoy SN make PERFECT sense. I get my super rowdy Enduro rig, but just reduce the suffering and don't have to compromise on tires and other parts in an attempt to reduce rolling resistance so that I can get another run in. That's all I ever wanted.
that’s because enduro mtb are some of the least critical reviews out there and industry bootlickers. „It looks so clean, sick!“
way too much focused on...
that’s because enduro mtb are some of the least critical reviews out there and industry bootlickers. „It looks so clean, sick!“
way too much focused on being hip and bros and pushing the newest shit on people compared to other media outlets.
Quite often EnduroMTB are the only place that calls out bikes for being rubbish, Pinkbike just goes to bed with all the brands because its purely about bringing in as much $$$$ - look at bike of the year, they were counting their cash before posting the article and thats why it took so long lol.
VMTB is a bit mixed
I've ridden some awful bikes like the sentinel but only enduro calls out it out as hard to ride - Common to see HTA sets on them now, Steeps it up and extends the reach a little.
Potentially it's not infringing because there are only 2 options not 3 like Vampire bikes? I'm certainly no patent lawyer and don't know how specific you have to be in these things.
Well...they keep telling me they're gonna send some, but they have yet to show up... (but yeah, I've actually ridden the SuperSoft enduro tire now, and I...
Well...they keep telling me they're gonna send some, but they have yet to show up... (but yeah, I've actually ridden the SuperSoft enduro tire now, and I really liked it...still hope to get some in for a long term review...)
Which 2.5 front Enduro tire would you choose today for dry rocky e-bike (Relay) usage? Include the Krytoptol Super-soft Enduro casing in that please.
Thanks.
...
Which 2.5 front Enduro tire would you choose today for dry rocky e-bike (Relay) usage? Include the Krytoptol Super-soft Enduro casing in that please.
Thanks.
PS. To me, bikes like the Relay, Heckler SL and the Decoy SN make PERFECT sense. I get my super rowdy Enduro rig, but just reduce the suffering and don't have to compromise on tires and other parts in an attempt to reduce rolling resistance so that I can get another run in. That's all I ever wanted.
With the Heckler SL and Decoy SN get your super rowdy enduro rig, but only for 3 to 4 top to bottom descents before you have to stop and charge. Maybe I'm in the minority (I would think not on this forum lol) but an eeb doesn't increase the mileage I can do, it just shortens the time it takes to do said mileage.
430wh is simply not large enough for the length of rides I want to do where a motor is assisting me. (never touch boost) The added weight for removable batteries has been grossly over exaggerated by the industry imo. My dad's XL Spectral ON with the 900wh removable battery weighs 51lbs. The Relay, the Trek Rail and even the full fat Decoy are also not pigs by any means.
45lb natural handling bike + spare battery in the truck = 860wh to play with on a real self shuttle day, not just 3 or 4 runs before you limp home in eco.
Wonder many people actually wait around for their bike to charge at the charging station at Kanuga? I was lucky to have 2 full fat eebs with me the only time I've ridden there.
Which 2.5 front Enduro tire would you choose today for dry rocky e-bike (Relay) usage? Include the Krytoptol Super-soft Enduro casing in that please.
Thanks.
...
Which 2.5 front Enduro tire would you choose today for dry rocky e-bike (Relay) usage? Include the Krytoptol Super-soft Enduro casing in that please.
Thanks.
PS. To me, bikes like the Relay, Heckler SL and the Decoy SN make PERFECT sense. I get my super rowdy Enduro rig, but just reduce the suffering and don't have to compromise on tires and other parts in an attempt to reduce rolling resistance so that I can get another run in. That's all I ever wanted.
Well...they keep telling me they're gonna send some, but they have yet to show up... (but yeah, I've actually ridden the SuperSoft enduro tire now, and I...
Well...they keep telling me they're gonna send some, but they have yet to show up... (but yeah, I've actually ridden the SuperSoft enduro tire now, and I really liked it...still hope to get some in for a long term review...)
Which 2.5 front Enduro tire would you choose today for dry rocky e-bike (Relay) usage? Include the Krytoptol Super-soft Enduro casing in that please.
Thanks.
...
Which 2.5 front Enduro tire would you choose today for dry rocky e-bike (Relay) usage? Include the Krytoptol Super-soft Enduro casing in that please.
Thanks.
PS. To me, bikes like the Relay, Heckler SL and the Decoy SN make PERFECT sense. I get my super rowdy Enduro rig, but just reduce the suffering and don't have to compromise on tires and other parts in an attempt to reduce rolling resistance so that I can get another run in. That's all I ever wanted.
With the Heckler SL and Decoy SN get your super rowdy enduro rig, but only for 3 to 4 top to bottom descents before you have...
With the Heckler SL and Decoy SN get your super rowdy enduro rig, but only for 3 to 4 top to bottom descents before you have to stop and charge. Maybe I'm in the minority (I would think not on this forum lol) but an eeb doesn't increase the mileage I can do, it just shortens the time it takes to do said mileage.
430wh is simply not large enough for the length of rides I want to do where a motor is assisting me. (never touch boost) The added weight for removable batteries has been grossly over exaggerated by the industry imo. My dad's XL Spectral ON with the 900wh removable battery weighs 51lbs. The Relay, the Trek Rail and even the full fat Decoy are also not pigs by any means.
45lb natural handling bike + spare battery in the truck = 860wh to play with on a real self shuttle day, not just 3 or 4 runs before you limp home in eco.
Wonder many people actually wait around for their bike to charge at the charging station at Kanuga? I was lucky to have 2 full fat eebs with me the only time I've ridden there.
the Rail not a pig? regardless of whatever you do to it it rides like a school bus and feels like it's 90kg let's be real, everyone that owns one and tried something else like the 160e or the Wild knows it feels much heavier than what it is, it needs a re do soon
To me, there's a big difference between 45 and 50 lbs in terms of how the bike feels on the trail, and in life in general...
To me, there's a big difference between 45 and 50 lbs in terms of how the bike feels on the trail, and in life in general. The 45 lbs bike I just spent two days on really did have me forgetting I was on an e-bike at times. Even hoisting the thing up onto a lift is "OK" (granted, I'm not a small dude and even though I'm old, the Viking genes are still going strong :-) ). A couple of months ago I spent two days riding a 50 lbs Turbo Levo, and although for general "shredding" that's a very fun and planted ride, I definitely noticed the extra heft. Popping the bike around on smaller features, moving it around in the air, all those little things feel a bit sluggish with that extra battery and motor weight.
As for the builds...yeah, a "real" enduro build will certainly add up to some weight. There's a 350 gram difference between a Fox 36 and a 38, just for starters. If you're gonna actually smash into stuff, you're gonna need real wheels and tires. Of course an "SL" e-bike with 140 mm of travel, a Fox 34 and flimsy trail casings, a 350 wh battery and a 50 nm motor will be significantly lighter, but let's not kid ourselves - it's not an enduro bike even if you can still point it down some rowdy stuff. To me, it's interesting that most of the Super Light e-bikes tend to be actual trail bikes, whereas the full-power ones are the proper enduro bikes. Because the manufacturers are either racing to make the "lightest one" or the one with the most power for climbing. Going forward, maybe we'll start to see bikes divided into 4 quadrants, defined on the one axis by type of riding, and the other by motor size/type.
Even 45 pounds for me is starting to push it. My Chinese carbon SL ebike, with a decently powerful bafang motor, 410wh battery, 170/155mm travel, is 42 pounds without pedals.
Selling a "budget" SL ebike for $6000 is tough when $6000 gets you a decent full powered ebike thats spec'ed much higher. Its like your friend that you took biking once and they loved it, and are trying to get you to find them a "decent bike" for $600 or less. If you can't budget $1000 minimum, its kinda not worth it for serious riding. All these "budget" SL ebikes are not budget priced for whatever reason, so that along with their 46+ pound weight makes it a tough sell.
Last I heard the release of the range extender got pushed to spring 2025. We'll see if it gets pushed again.
Seriously though, marking an...
Last I heard the release of the range extender got pushed to spring 2025. We'll see if it gets pushed again.
Seriously though, marking an E-bike above 45 lbs as a lightweight is a crazy amount of kool-aid from marketing. Keep it around 40 lbs or lower. There are full power, long travel options out there only 3-5 lbs heavier.
It's not being marketed as the lightest bike it could be though, just not as heavy as a full power e-bike. They are specifically saying they...
It's not being marketed as the lightest bike it could be though, just not as heavy as a full power e-bike. They are specifically saying they built it to be burly enough for heavy-duty riding, and they went with a mid-power system to keep the weight down, that's all. That said, it will be interesting to see how quickly the market now arrives at traditional full-power levels from lighter systems than the current full-power ones (the arrival of the DJI motor etc etc)...
The unsaid implication that other midweight ebikes are not burly enough for heavy duty riding is pretty funny. Are people cracking Fuel EXe's left and right on real trails?
Let's see what Trek's upcoming SlashE is like. Im willing to bet its not a full-fat ebike and probably weighs more than this in any event.
I was going to make a joke about the Decoy and Fuel EXe not burning your house down, but holy crap, Bafang actually got their mid weight stuff UL rated.
Has anyone heard anything about Chromag coming out with an aluminum dj? Allegedly one of our local slope guys has been on one, but it feels like a pretty big departure for Chromag to go that way. That said, maybe their riders have been asking for something more slope oriented than the Monk?
I assume these new Kona's were in the pipeline before the original owners re acquired it. It's only been a few months so I would give them some time to work on new things.
I think they should relaunch the Sticky name with a fun and playful gravity focused bike a la the Specialized Status.
I assume these new Kona's were in the pipeline before the original owners re acquired it. It's only been a few months so I would give...
I assume these new Kona's were in the pipeline before the original owners re acquired it. It's only been a few months so I would give them some time to work on new things.
I think they should relaunch the Sticky name with a fun and playful gravity focused bike a la the Specialized Status.
Spoke to some of the Kona UK team that were at the UK bike show a few weeks ago - they were showing one of the 153s and some other new models (these to be announced hopefully August/September).
These were all ready to be shipped from Taiwan months ago, but Kent had held them up (guess not paying up) - UK distributor was in talks to get some of these but then sale back to original owners have unlocked the shipments.
I assume these new Kona's were in the pipeline before the original owners re acquired it. It's only been a few months so I would give...
I assume these new Kona's were in the pipeline before the original owners re acquired it. It's only been a few months so I would give them some time to work on new things.
I think they should relaunch the Sticky name with a fun and playful gravity focused bike a la the Specialized Status.
Sticky Deluxe.
And bring back the Humuhumu-Nukunuku-A-Pua'a
Slightly underwhelming. Shame, but glad they're still around.
noticed that the base model 134 comes in with an MSRP of under $2k USD. definitely a budget build, but IMO its good to see that there are proper bikes in that price range for new riders looking at their first bike.
noticed that the base model 134 comes in with an MSRP of under $2k USD. definitely a budget build, but IMO its good to see that...
noticed that the base model 134 comes in with an MSRP of under $2k USD. definitely a budget build, but IMO its good to see that there are proper bikes in that price range for new riders looking at their first bike.
Definitely. Great standover.Good spec too. Yari works well and ive put 10 spd 11-48 microshift advent x on my eeb and im blown away how well it works. Never misses a beat. Bike shops should have an ez time pumping those out
loving the new models but worried about dual 27 being a last gen hangover that looks destined for the chopping block. dont they realize a 167 26inch is what the people want!? right?? errr
Definitely. Great standover.Good spec too. Yari works well and ive put 10 spd 11-48 microshift advent x on my eeb and im blown away how well...
Definitely. Great standover.Good spec too. Yari works well and ive put 10 spd 11-48 microshift advent x on my eeb and im blown away how well it works. Never misses a beat. Bike shops should have an ez time pumping those out
my sons 24" Giant STP came with microshift advent 8 speed and I have been impressed with how good it is for the price.
EWS bikes weigh 38#s properly outfitted.
I'm going to assume that a properly set up E-EWS bike weighs over 50#s, and also eats drivetrains/ wheels/ tires, something the average hobbyist might not be cool with.
I do agree that a low end, mid power, is kind of a weird place to be in because it ends up approaching full power weights.
Like diesel mpgs, people LOVE to exaggerate e-bike weights. Could the absolute lightest Wild in a size medium, 36mm fork, 1K gram tires, no pedals/ tools/ inserts & the small battery option weigh 46#s? Sure, but that's not reality.
BTW, my XL Relay in a high-end build, but dual coil suspension, 1350 gram rear tire, DH rear rim, pedals, 210mm dropper, tools with C02 on board weighs an honest 44.4#s and handles beautifully.
The last thing they told me was SuperSoft on enduro casing (which I've now ridden, at the YT Decoy SN launch), and Soft for the trail casing (which I published a picture of in our Sea Otter coverage, so at least one such tire exists). Sounded like no plans for a SuperSoft with trail casing though, correct.
To me, there's a big difference between 45 and 50 lbs in terms of how the bike feels on the trail, and in life in general. The 45 lbs bike I just spent two days on really did have me forgetting I was on an e-bike at times. Even hoisting the thing up onto a lift is "OK" (granted, I'm not a small dude and even though I'm old, the Viking genes are still going strong :-) ). A couple of months ago I spent two days riding a 50 lbs Turbo Levo, and although for general "shredding" that's a very fun and planted ride, I definitely noticed the extra heft. Popping the bike around on smaller features, moving it around in the air, all those little things feel a bit sluggish with that extra battery and motor weight.
As for the builds...yeah, a "real" enduro build will certainly add up to some weight. There's a 350 gram difference between a Fox 36 and a 38, just for starters. If you're gonna actually smash into stuff, you're gonna need real wheels and tires. Of course an "SL" e-bike with 140 mm of travel, a Fox 34 and flimsy trail casings, a 350 wh battery and a 50 nm motor will be significantly lighter, but let's not kid ourselves - it's not an enduro bike even if you can still point it down some rowdy stuff. To me, it's interesting that most of the Super Light e-bikes tend to be actual trail bikes, whereas the full-power ones are the proper enduro bikes. Because the manufacturers are either racing to make the "lightest one" or the one with the most power for climbing. Going forward, maybe we'll start to see bikes divided into 4 quadrants, defined on the one axis by type of riding, and the other by motor size/type.
Well...they keep telling me they're gonna send some, but they have yet to show up...
(but yeah, I've actually ridden the SuperSoft enduro tire now, and I really liked it...still hope to get some in for a long term review...)
Which 2.5 front Enduro tire would you choose today for dry rocky e-bike (Relay) usage? Include the Krytoptol Super-soft Enduro casing in that please.
Thanks.
PS. To me, bikes like the Relay, Heckler SL and the Decoy SN make PERFECT sense. I get my super rowdy Enduro rig, but just reduce the suffering and don't have to compromise on tires and other parts in an attempt to reduce rolling resistance so that I can get another run in. That's all I ever wanted.
Anyone know anything about the new Kona that’s being released tomorrow?
This seems like the perfect use case for a direct message
Or for: https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/tire-chat-nerds-only
Quite often EnduroMTB are the only place that calls out bikes for being rubbish, Pinkbike just goes to bed with all the brands because its purely about bringing in as much $$$$ - look at bike of the year, they were counting their cash before posting the article and thats why it took so long lol.
VMTB is a bit mixed
I've ridden some awful bikes like the sentinel but only enduro calls out it out as hard to ride - Common to see HTA sets on them now, Steeps it up and extends the reach a little.
Sentinel is awful? Awful?
Awful.
That's why I brought it up.
Potentially it's not infringing because there are only 2 options not 3 like Vampire bikes? I'm certainly no patent lawyer and don't know how specific you have to be in these things.
With the Heckler SL and Decoy SN get your super rowdy enduro rig, but only for 3 to 4 top to bottom descents before you have to stop and charge. Maybe I'm in the minority (I would think not on this forum lol) but an eeb doesn't increase the mileage I can do, it just shortens the time it takes to do said mileage.
430wh is simply not large enough for the length of rides I want to do where a motor is assisting me. (never touch boost) The added weight for removable batteries has been grossly over exaggerated by the industry imo. My dad's XL Spectral ON with the 900wh removable battery weighs 51lbs. The Relay, the Trek Rail and even the full fat Decoy are also not pigs by any means.
45lb natural handling bike + spare battery in the truck = 860wh to play with on a real self shuttle day, not just 3 or 4 runs before you limp home in eco.
Wonder many people actually wait around for their bike to charge at the charging station at Kanuga? I was lucky to have 2 full fat eebs with me the only time I've ridden there.
I thought boost was the only mode!?!? The others are get home mode
Yep, good call, sorry for the derailment, I've posted my answer in the tire nerds thread...
the Rail not a pig? regardless of whatever you do to it it rides like a school bus and feels like it's 90kg let's be real, everyone that owns one and tried something else like the 160e or the Wild knows it feels much heavier than what it is, it needs a re do soon
Even 45 pounds for me is starting to push it. My Chinese carbon SL ebike, with a decently powerful bafang motor, 410wh battery, 170/155mm travel, is 42 pounds without pedals.
Selling a "budget" SL ebike for $6000 is tough when $6000 gets you a decent full powered ebike thats spec'ed much higher. Its like your friend that you took biking once and they loved it, and are trying to get you to find them a "decent bike" for $600 or less. If you can't budget $1000 minimum, its kinda not worth it for serious riding. All these "budget" SL ebikes are not budget priced for whatever reason, so that along with their 46+ pound weight makes it a tough sell.
The unsaid implication that other midweight ebikes are not burly enough for heavy duty riding is pretty funny. Are people cracking Fuel EXe's left and right on real trails?
Let's see what Trek's upcoming SlashE is like. Im willing to bet its not a full-fat ebike and probably weighs more than this in any event.
I was going to make a joke about the Decoy and Fuel EXe not burning your house down, but holy crap, Bafang actually got their mid weight stuff UL rated.
Has anyone heard anything about Chromag coming out with an aluminum dj? Allegedly one of our local slope guys has been on one, but it feels like a pretty big departure for Chromag to go that way. That said, maybe their riders have been asking for something more slope oriented than the Monk?
I stumbled upon a first ride review of the new Lapierre while queuing up a late-night ASMR vid.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6l04t-u_seE&pp=ygUUTG9hbSB3b2xmIGZpcnN0IH…
Machined rear end on matt mcduff norco
https://www.instagram.com/stories/matt_macduff/3409449139535033679?igsh=dGE0bmpmNG9uYzBq
New kona 153 & 134 are out.
https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/kona-launches-all-new-2025-process-…
Slightly underwhelming. Shame, but glad they're still around.
I assume these new Kona's were in the pipeline before the original owners re acquired it. It's only been a few months so I would give them some time to work on new things.
I think they should relaunch the Sticky name with a fun and playful gravity focused bike a la the Specialized Status.
Spoke to some of the Kona UK team that were at the UK bike show a few weeks ago - they were showing one of the 153s and some other new models (these to be announced hopefully August/September).
These were all ready to be shipped from Taiwan months ago, but Kent had held them up (guess not paying up) - UK distributor was in talks to get some of these but then sale back to original owners have unlocked the shipments.
Sticky Deluxe.
And bring back the Humuhumu-Nukunuku-A-Pua'a
Curious,
I thought they look like a good iteration on the previous model
Carbon and alu
alu has external cables, carbon id fully guided, no headset cable routing
geo looks good, shortish CS and WB, should be a nimble bike
full water bottle, accessory mount, frame protection looks good
good colours, aesthetically they look quite good, Konas simple faux bar.
Personally, the brake choices seem underwhelming, but that has been Konas MO for a while now.
Other than frame storage, what more would you like from a couple trail bikes?
noticed that the base model 134 comes in with an MSRP of under $2k USD. definitely a budget build, but IMO its good to see that there are proper bikes in that price range for new riders looking at their first bike.
Definitely. Great standover.Good spec too. Yari works well and ive put 10 spd 11-48 microshift advent x on my eeb and im blown away how well it works. Never misses a beat. Bike shops should have an ez time pumping those out
keep 2 7 5 alive
make kona freeride again
loving the new models but worried about dual 27 being a last gen hangover that looks destined for the chopping block. dont they realize a 167 26inch is what the people want!? right?? errr
my sons 24" Giant STP came with microshift advent 8 speed and I have been impressed with how good it is for the price.