I've been listening to many podcasts discussing technology and advancement in suspension - like the "En Route Libre" episode with Olivier Bossard and the one with...
I've been listening to many podcasts discussing technology and advancement in suspension - like the "En Route Libre" episode with Olivier Bossard and the one with Loic Bruni. Seems like the French has always had a formula 1 approach to racing and what I would consider advanced suspension tech when compared to the rest of the field. Even Olivier said that he has ideas of things that could be done now to greatly help riders.
In the latest Inside Line Podcast Dak was saying that he has a hard time making sure he's in the right gear, let alone figuring out what buttons to push and when to make sure the suspension is in the right setting. Hats off to the guys using it... Since suspension electronics is a hot topic right now it got me thinking.
The French teams (and others as well now) always have many people along the course taking notes and analyzing runs. How long until they have people along the course doing the work for the riders? eg. Team determines segment(s) on the course where they need to alter the suspension, have people stand on the side of the track at the beginning of each segments with remotes (or blue tooth devices) and do the work for the rider. The only thing the rider would have to do is disengage everything at the end of these specific segments. Or even course markers like timing systems that would do the work.
That or maybe eventually they will be able to program the shock/fork to automatically do the work based on data acquisition information based on the course.
"That or maybe eventually they will be able to program the shock/fork to automatically do the work based on telemetry or GPS information based on the...
"That or maybe eventually they will be able to program the shock/fork to automatically do the work based on telemetry or GPS information based on the course."
I would not be surprised if if this was happening with Bruni's shock/fork already....
Telemetry systems are banned under the UCI rules.
i wish news articles would call it the proper name data acquisition NOT telemetry!
telemetry broadcasts...
Telemetry systems are banned under the UCI rules.
i wish news articles would call it the proper name data acquisition NOT telemetry!
telemetry broadcasts to a third party location, ie you sat at home at a computer this is banned
recording data that is collected on the bike is not
Exactly.
Are probably preset buttons loaded at each stop, for whatever Podcast is getting all... that... hype... Totally seeing this.
For ex. - Upcoming events may just be:
Austria - 'Let's Blitz' (a podcast about Schrader Valve Adapter rumors and innovations)
France - 'Tham Wooden Wheels' (this podcast is all about experimenting with Violin, Viola and Cello Bridge Angles. It eventually gets repetitive...)
France - 'Tham Wooden Wheels' (...episode II)
Canada - 'C.N.D' (a podcast all about those two dudes who changed the name of an area of North America from 'C.N.D.' to Canada. Apparently said 'Eh?' after words quite a bit (**Spoiler Alert**))
Or could be that Taco Button Jon Kranked mentioned a few pages ago.
I've been listening to many podcasts discussing technology and advancement in suspension - like the "En Route Libre" episode with Olivier Bossard and the one with...
I've been listening to many podcasts discussing technology and advancement in suspension - like the "En Route Libre" episode with Olivier Bossard and the one with Loic Bruni. Seems like the French has always had a formula 1 approach to racing and what I would consider advanced suspension tech when compared to the rest of the field. Even Olivier said that he has ideas of things that could be done now to greatly help riders.
In the latest Inside Line Podcast Dak was saying that he has a hard time making sure he's in the right gear, let alone figuring out what buttons to push and when to make sure the suspension is in the right setting. Hats off to the guys using it... Since suspension electronics is a hot topic right now it got me thinking.
The French teams (and others as well now) always have many people along the course taking notes and analyzing runs. How long until they have people along the course doing the work for the riders? eg. Team determines segment(s) on the course where they need to alter the suspension, have people stand on the side of the track at the beginning of each segments with remotes (or blue tooth devices) and do the work for the rider. The only thing the rider would have to do is disengage everything at the end of these specific segments. Or even course markers like timing systems that would do the work.
That or maybe eventually they will be able to program the shock/fork to automatically do the work based on data acquisition information based on the course.
The legendary Sunn team in the late 90s and then Nico's VProcess team where light years ahead of everyone else with that kind of approach back...
The legendary Sunn team in the late 90s and then Nico's VProcess team where light years ahead of everyone else with that kind of approach back in the day.
In the interview with Olivier mentioned that that during those days they would always develop Nico's frame/bike based on the world champ track that year -...
In the interview with Olivier mentioned that that during those days they would always develop Nico's frame/bike based on the world champ track that year - that was always the focus.
Telemetry systems are banned under the UCI rules.
i wish news articles would call it the proper name data acquisition NOT telemetry!
telemetry broadcasts...
Telemetry systems are banned under the UCI rules.
i wish news articles would call it the proper name data acquisition NOT telemetry!
telemetry broadcasts to a third party location, ie you sat at home at a computer this is banned
recording data that is collected on the bike is not
For DH racing you could probably do this without telemetry. Pre-ride the course, pressing buttons to program the distance from the start gate where events (like...
For DH racing you could probably do this without telemetry. Pre-ride the course, pressing buttons to program the distance from the start gate where events (like shock adjustment) should occur.
Then run the program in the race, you wouldn’t even need to be distracted by pressing buttons.
I don’t know if this is what’s happening here, or if there are rules about it. Just brainstorming a possibility.
Telemetry systems are banned under the UCI rules.
i wish news articles would call it the proper name data acquisition NOT telemetry!
telemetry broadcasts...
Telemetry systems are banned under the UCI rules.
i wish news articles would call it the proper name data acquisition NOT telemetry!
telemetry broadcasts to a third party location, ie you sat at home at a computer this is banned
recording data that is collected on the bike is not
For DH racing you could probably do this without telemetry. Pre-ride the course, pressing buttons to program the distance from the start gate where events (like...
For DH racing you could probably do this without telemetry. Pre-ride the course, pressing buttons to program the distance from the start gate where events (like shock adjustment) should occur.
Then run the program in the race, you wouldn’t even need to be distracted by pressing buttons.
I don’t know if this is what’s happening here, or if there are rules about it. Just brainstorming a possibility.
I like where the tech is going, but this idea seems frought with issues.
What if you get caught offline, what if the course changes slightly, what if you find a faster line as the course develops between track walk, and practice, and qually?
Im thinking the Fox stuff is simply an on/off, and they are working to make that more of an automated system.
the RS stuff, likely a slightly different version of what FA already is, with loads of data to draw from as the system has been in the wild for a bit now.
The 3 button Ohlins, seems like it could be a toggle between two compression circuits (automated version of a Push shock)
Would y'all want to see a 15-minute VitalMTB video with back-to-back testing on a section of brutal rocky chunder with different pedal kickback theories to see...
Would y'all want to see a 15-minute VitalMTB video with back-to-back testing on a section of brutal rocky chunder with different pedal kickback theories to see if the Ochain really works as advertised?
Would be cool to include an older/less modern bike (compatibility considered) that has a ridiculous amount of pedal kickback.
I like where the tech is going, but this idea seems frought with issues.
What if you get caught offline, what if the course changes slightly...
I like where the tech is going, but this idea seems frought with issues.
What if you get caught offline, what if the course changes slightly, what if you find a faster line as the course develops between track walk, and practice, and qually?
Im thinking the Fox stuff is simply an on/off, and they are working to make that more of an automated system.
the RS stuff, likely a slightly different version of what FA already is, with loads of data to draw from as the system has been in the wild for a bit now.
The 3 button Ohlins, seems like it could be a toggle between two compression circuits (automated version of a Push shock)
Another thought on Flight Attendant: by putting FA on World Cup DH bikes, they're facing the ultimate programming and hardware challenge. I think there's actually a lot of trickle down benefit from putting FA on Luca Shaw's bike, Troys, Vali's, etc. Because of the speeds and forces at play, they're getting real world race data that's much more violent then XC or even Enduro, and being forced to refine their programming and sensors to determine what's essential, what's unhelpful, and what's possible. If SRAM can make it work there, it can kinda work anywhere. This is of course assuming they're using it as anything other than an expensive wireless lockout switch.
Telemetry systems are banned under the UCI rules.
i wish news articles would call it the proper name data acquisition NOT telemetry!
telemetry broadcasts...
Telemetry systems are banned under the UCI rules.
i wish news articles would call it the proper name data acquisition NOT telemetry!
telemetry broadcasts to a third party location, ie you sat at home at a computer this is banned
recording data that is collected on the bike is not
For DH racing you could probably do this without telemetry. Pre-ride the course, pressing buttons to program the distance from the start gate where events (like...
For DH racing you could probably do this without telemetry. Pre-ride the course, pressing buttons to program the distance from the start gate where events (like shock adjustment) should occur.
Then run the program in the race, you wouldn’t even need to be distracted by pressing buttons.
I don’t know if this is what’s happening here, or if there are rules about it. Just brainstorming a possibility.
I like where the tech is going, but this idea seems frought with issues.
What if you get caught offline, what if the course changes slightly...
I like where the tech is going, but this idea seems frought with issues.
What if you get caught offline, what if the course changes slightly, what if you find a faster line as the course develops between track walk, and practice, and qually?
Im thinking the Fox stuff is simply an on/off, and they are working to make that more of an automated system.
the RS stuff, likely a slightly different version of what FA already is, with loads of data to draw from as the system has been in the wild for a bit now.
The 3 button Ohlins, seems like it could be a toggle between two compression circuits (automated version of a Push shock)
I'm sure there must either be a rule against my idea or it just doesn't deliver wins, it's so simple that if it worked everyone would have done it - and then the rules would have been changed to prohibit it.
I haven't reviewed the rules, was merely noting that you could work around rules against transmitting data (that's the definition of telemetry, right?).
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In the interview with Olivier mentioned that that during those days they would always develop Nico's frame/bike based on the world champ track that year -...
In the interview with Olivier mentioned that that during those days they would always develop Nico's frame/bike based on the world champ track that year - that was always the focus.
I'm friends with an Ex- WC racer who raced the same years as Nico, she told me a few years ago that he did this even with his tires. He would figure out which tires were best for the World Champs course and would race them for every race leading up to Worlds, regardless of conditions. Wet race...same tires, dry race...same tires, crazy rock gardens...same tires.
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First my mom, then my teachers, now Spomer. It is always nice to hear that I am special
This is giving the people what they want! Excited to see the results. Should I tell Switzerland to start making a bunch of 18T ratchets?
Telemetry systems are banned under the UCI rules.
i wish news articles would call it the proper name data acquisition NOT telemetry!
telemetry broadcasts...
Telemetry systems are banned under the UCI rules.
i wish news articles would call it the proper name data acquisition NOT telemetry!
telemetry broadcasts to a third party location, ie you sat at home at a computer this is banned
recording data that is collected on the bike is not
For DH racing you could probably do this without telemetry. Pre-ride the course, pressing buttons to program the distance from the start gate where events (like...
For DH racing you could probably do this without telemetry. Pre-ride the course, pressing buttons to program the distance from the start gate where events (like shock adjustment) should occur.
Then run the program in the race, you wouldn’t even need to be distracted by pressing buttons.
I don’t know if this is what’s happening here, or if there are rules about it. Just brainstorming a possibility.
I think you're referring to a difference between "telemetery" and "another word that sounds kinda like telemetry". Unfortunately I don't even know what the other word is, let alone the difference. Could you explain please?
(Remember when Willy Wonka sent candy over radio? I'm kinda hoping to learn that telemeatery is sending meat.)
I think you're referring to a difference between "telemetery" and "another word that sounds kinda like telemetry". Unfortunately I don't even know what the other word...
I think you're referring to a difference between "telemetery" and "another word that sounds kinda like telemetry". Unfortunately I don't even know what the other word is, let alone the difference. Could you explain please?
(Remember when Willy Wonka sent candy over radio? I'm kinda hoping to learn that telemeatery is sending meat.)
(Remember when Willy Wonka sent candy over radio? I'm kinda hoping to learn that telemeatery is sending meat.)
Well technically cell phones and WiFi both are radio waves. So wouldn't "sending meat over radio just be a dick pic?
For DH racing you could probably do this without telemetry. Pre-ride the course, pressing buttons to program the distance from the start gate where events (like...
For DH racing you could probably do this without telemetry. Pre-ride the course, pressing buttons to program the distance from the start gate where events (like shock adjustment) should occur.
Then run the program in the race, you wouldn’t even need to be distracted by pressing buttons.
I don’t know if this is what’s happening here, or if there are rules about it. Just brainstorming a possibility.
I think you're referring to a difference between "telemetery" and "another word that sounds kinda like telemetry". Unfortunately I don't even know what the other word...
I think you're referring to a difference between "telemetery" and "another word that sounds kinda like telemetry". Unfortunately I don't even know what the other word is, let alone the difference. Could you explain please?
(Remember when Willy Wonka sent candy over radio? I'm kinda hoping to learn that telemeatery is sending meat.)
It's only telemetry if it comes from the telemetry region of France; otherwise it's just sparkling data acquisition.
But actually:
If the data being collected aren't also being transmitted, it isn't telemetry.
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You sneaky buggers, you planned this from the beginning!
Edit: I'm not going to add another post just for my thoughts on telemetry so I'll add it here. The tele- in telemetry literally implies the use of a remote communications system of some sort (but obviously, for a bicycle the system must be wireless), as pointed out above by anotherbikeguy. It's an ancient Greek root meaning "at a distance". I think it's unambiguous.
I think you're referring to a difference between "telemetery" and "another word that sounds kinda like telemetry". Unfortunately I don't even know what the other word...
I think you're referring to a difference between "telemetery" and "another word that sounds kinda like telemetry". Unfortunately I don't even know what the other word is, let alone the difference. Could you explain please?
(Remember when Willy Wonka sent candy over radio? I'm kinda hoping to learn that telemeatery is sending meat.)
It's only telemetry if it comes from the telemetry region of France; otherwise it's just sparkling data acquisition.
But actually:
If the data being collected...
It's only telemetry if it comes from the telemetry region of France; otherwise it's just sparkling data acquisition.
But actually:
If the data being collected aren't also being transmitted, it isn't telemetry.
The first part of your comment, is absolutely priceless
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What happens if someone gets the most amount of downvotes? Im asking… for a friend.
We updated the plumbing through the Low Speed Compression circuit to make the oil’s easy-flow path even easier, allowing more oil to flow through the LSC when the adjuster is set to Open. 68% more oil flow, to be exact. This means less compression damping, so you can hold onto traction and control to mute low-speed trail noise.
During testing, our World Cup racers requested more high-speed damping for an even more supportive ride on the fastest tracks. We increased the size of the High Speed Compression pyramid (peep that cutaway for a visual), to create more damping when the HSC adjuster is closed, so you can add the exact amount of support you need.
Some bikeshop listed lyrik ultimate with new rockshox charger 3.1
https://www.fanatikbike.com/products/rockshox-lyrik-ultimate-29-charger-3-1-rc2-w-buttercup-44mm-offset-2025?variant=40884604928046
CHARGER 3.1
We updated the plumbing through the Low Speed Compression circuit to make the...
Some bikeshop listed lyrik ultimate with new rockshox charger 3.1
We updated the plumbing through the Low Speed Compression circuit to make the oil’s easy-flow path even easier, allowing more oil to flow through the LSC when the adjuster is set to Open. 68% more oil flow, to be exact. This means less compression damping, so you can hold onto traction and control to mute low-speed trail noise.
During testing, our World Cup racers requested more high-speed damping for an even more supportive ride on the fastest tracks. We increased the size of the High Speed Compression pyramid (peep that cutaway for a visual), to create more damping when the HSC adjuster is closed, so you can add the exact amount of support you need.
How are brands so far off on what is needed for compression and rebound damping with all the development time and money behind these products?
How are brands so far off on what is needed for compression and rebound damping with all the development time and money behind these products?
Often because High end parts are not designed for 'bumblers'
When I wasnt riding at the level I am now, My compression, especially Low speed was All the way open, Now on certain forks Im getting close near full closed.
For reference I have about 3 clicks from open on my 3.1 damper. so i can see how the slower guys may ask for less compression.
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That was an e-spartan with Knolly stickers... I think the new bike they are shooting is the updated Warden. Makes more sense to bring all their existing models up to straight-top-tube-spec rather than introduce new models.
Often because High end parts are not designed for 'bumblers'
When I wasnt riding at the level I am now, My compression, especially Low speed was...
Often because High end parts are not designed for 'bumblers'
When I wasnt riding at the level I am now, My compression, especially Low speed was All the way open, Now on certain forks Im getting close near full closed.
For reference I have about 3 clicks from open on my 3.1 damper. so i can see how the slower guys may ask for less compression.
I remember watching a moi moi video where they did testing and dropped a lighter compression tune into his Zeb. Seems like the pros can prefer lighter compression as well.
Question still stands - how is it that every two years there are updated compression tunes. This applies to RS and the latest Fox Grip X2. Why can't they get it right the first time.
Isn't the Devinci DH proto just the bike Dak rode a few years ago?
Anywho, the Charger 3.1 update, I kinda hope it will be possible to upgrade the 3 to it with just a few parts (like the spring update a few years ago) instead of buying a whole new damper. That would be ideal.
Black Maven Levers?!?! Or just Silver levers on Ultimate calipers?
Found these on Conner Fearon’s Bikes Check
Black Maven Levers?!?! Or just Silver levers on Ultimate calipers?
Found these on Conner Fearon’s Bikes Check
black calipers as well. Only difference is titanium hardware on the ultimate I think so maybe they just switched that out because the black goes better with the frame
Often because High end parts are not designed for 'bumblers'
When I wasnt riding at the level I am now, My compression, especially Low speed was...
Often because High end parts are not designed for 'bumblers'
When I wasnt riding at the level I am now, My compression, especially Low speed was All the way open, Now on certain forks Im getting close near full closed.
For reference I have about 3 clicks from open on my 3.1 damper. so i can see how the slower guys may ask for less compression.
I remember watching a moi moi video where they did testing and dropped a lighter compression tune into his Zeb. Seems like the pros can prefer...
I remember watching a moi moi video where they did testing and dropped a lighter compression tune into his Zeb. Seems like the pros can prefer lighter compression as well.
Question still stands - how is it that every two years there are updated compression tunes. This applies to RS and the latest Fox Grip X2. Why can't they get it right the first time.
if they get i right you won’t buy the new new in 2 years
Exactly.
Are probably preset buttons loaded at each stop, for whatever Podcast is getting all... that... hype... Totally seeing this.
For ex. - Upcoming events may just be:
Austria - 'Let's Blitz' (a podcast about Schrader Valve Adapter rumors and innovations)
France - 'Tham Wooden Wheels' (this podcast is all about experimenting with Violin, Viola and Cello Bridge Angles. It eventually gets repetitive...)
France - 'Tham Wooden Wheels' (...episode II)
Canada - 'C.N.D' (a podcast all about those two dudes who changed the name of an area of North America from 'C.N.D.' to Canada. Apparently said 'Eh?' after words quite a bit (**Spoiler Alert**))
Or could be that Taco Button Jon Kranked mentioned a few pages ago.
Yeah I recall that interview. Fascinating stuff!
Telemetry is the new dampening.
I like where the tech is going, but this idea seems frought with issues.
What if you get caught offline, what if the course changes slightly, what if you find a faster line as the course develops between track walk, and practice, and qually?
Im thinking the Fox stuff is simply an on/off, and they are working to make that more of an automated system.
the RS stuff, likely a slightly different version of what FA already is, with loads of data to draw from as the system has been in the wild for a bit now.
The 3 button Ohlins, seems like it could be a toggle between two compression circuits (automated version of a Push shock)
Would be cool to include an older/less modern bike (compatibility considered) that has a ridiculous amount of pedal kickback.
Or a budget bike.
Another thought on Flight Attendant: by putting FA on World Cup DH bikes, they're facing the ultimate programming and hardware challenge. I think there's actually a lot of trickle down benefit from putting FA on Luca Shaw's bike, Troys, Vali's, etc. Because of the speeds and forces at play, they're getting real world race data that's much more violent then XC or even Enduro, and being forced to refine their programming and sensors to determine what's essential, what's unhelpful, and what's possible. If SRAM can make it work there, it can kinda work anywhere. This is of course assuming they're using it as anything other than an expensive wireless lockout switch.
I'm sure there must either be a rule against my idea or it just doesn't deliver wins, it's so simple that if it worked everyone would have done it - and then the rules would have been changed to prohibit it.
I haven't reviewed the rules, was merely noting that you could work around rules against transmitting data (that's the definition of telemetry, right?).
teamrobot set a record for forum thumbs up, so here's a preview of what's to come (unlisted, only for the special people in this forum topic) regarding taking out pawls and testing ochain.
I'm friends with an Ex- WC racer who raced the same years as Nico, she told me a few years ago that he did this even with his tires. He would figure out which tires were best for the World Champs course and would race them for every race leading up to Worlds, regardless of conditions. Wet race...same tires, dry race...same tires, crazy rock gardens...same tires.
First my mom, then my teachers, now Spomer. It is always nice to hear that I am special
This is giving the people what they want! Excited to see the results. Should I tell Switzerland to start making a bunch of 18T ratchets?
I think you're referring to a difference between "telemetery" and "another word that sounds kinda like telemetry". Unfortunately I don't even know what the other word is, let alone the difference. Could you explain please?
(Remember when Willy Wonka sent candy over radio? I'm kinda hoping to learn that telemeatery is sending meat.)
(Remember when Willy Wonka sent candy over radio? I'm kinda hoping to learn that telemeatery is sending meat.)
Well technically cell phones and WiFi both are radio waves. So wouldn't "sending meat over radio just be a dick pic?
It's only telemetry if it comes from the telemetry region of France; otherwise it's just sparkling data acquisition.
But actually:
You sneaky buggers, you planned this from the beginning!
Edit: I'm not going to add another post just for my thoughts on telemetry so I'll add it here. The tele- in telemetry literally implies the use of a remote communications system of some sort (but obviously, for a bicycle the system must be wireless), as pointed out above by anotherbikeguy. It's an ancient Greek root meaning "at a distance". I think it's unambiguous.
this post is on fire
The first part of your comment, is absolutely priceless
Well done
Apologies for the off topic… but did he say dampener?!?
What happens if someone gets the most amount of downvotes? Im asking… for a friend.
Some bikeshop listed lyrik ultimate with new rockshox charger 3.1
https://www.fanatikbike.com/products/rockshox-lyrik-ultimate-29-charger…
CHARGER 3.1
We updated the plumbing through the Low Speed Compression circuit to make the oil’s easy-flow path even easier, allowing more oil to flow through the LSC when the adjuster is set to Open. 68% more oil flow, to be exact. This means less compression damping, so you can hold onto traction and control to mute low-speed trail noise.
During testing, our World Cup racers requested more high-speed damping for an even more supportive ride on the fastest tracks. We increased the size of the High Speed Compression pyramid (peep that cutaway for a visual), to create more damping when the HSC adjuster is closed, so you can add the exact amount of support you need.
How are brands so far off on what is needed for compression and rebound damping with all the development time and money behind these products?
Often because High end parts are not designed for 'bumblers'
When I wasnt riding at the level I am now, My compression, especially Low speed was All the way open, Now on certain forks Im getting close near full closed.
For reference I have about 3 clicks from open on my 3.1 damper. so i can see how the slower guys may ask for less compression.
Knolly ebike incoming.
person with most downvotes gets a week-long visit by bizutch (who is not eligible b/c he def wins).
That was an e-spartan with Knolly stickers... I think the new bike they are shooting is the updated Warden. Makes more sense to bring all their existing models up to straight-top-tube-spec rather than introduce new models.
Some actual tech rumors, proto high pivot Devinci Wilson out now. Saw him riding this in Whistler today and it looks sick
I remember watching a moi moi video where they did testing and dropped a lighter compression tune into his Zeb. Seems like the pros can prefer lighter compression as well.
Question still stands - how is it that every two years there are updated compression tunes. This applies to RS and the latest Fox Grip X2. Why can't they get it right the first time.
Isn't the Devinci DH proto just the bike Dak rode a few years ago?
Anywho, the Charger 3.1 update, I kinda hope it will be possible to upgrade the 3 to it with just a few parts (like the spring update a few years ago) instead of buying a whole new damper. That would be ideal.
Black Maven Levers?!?! Or just Silver levers on Ultimate calipers?
Found these on Conner Fearon’s Bikes Check
black calipers as well. Only difference is titanium hardware on the ultimate I think so maybe they just switched that out because the black goes better with the frame
if they get i right you won’t buy the new new in 2 years