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4/22/2024 6:19am Edited Date/Time 4/22/2024 6:20am
Evil96 wrote:
New Enves should be on their way, let's see if they stick to the stiff like a brick or they changed like everyone else

New Enves should be on their way, let's see if they stick to the stiff like a brick or they changed like everyone else

I found a high end pair of Enves laced to DT swiss 240s for $300 used, because they were non-boost! Slapped a $20 adapter on them. 

Since we switched to Boost for the "stiffness gains modern 29er bikes require", and Enves are too stiff, this should set things right! (I wish/hope)

I haven't ridden them much yet as the snow is just starting to  receed. 

PS whatever happened to those Crank Bros wheelsets? The front was single wall, the back was a shallow traditional, double wall.

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4/22/2024 6:47am
Ernst_ wrote:
Whats about the super secret black smoking tent freom propain at seaotter? They must got some dope product.  

Whats about the super secret black smoking tent freom propain at seaotter? They must got some dope product.

 

Sram has Black Box, Propain has Hot Box..

well, Saturday was 4/20. 

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4/22/2024 7:06am

New Troy ?

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4/22/2024 7:13am
Don't know if they made it out of the testing stage, but the Enves I saw last year were single wall moto style rims like Zipp...

Don't know if they made it out of the testing stage, but the Enves I saw last year were single wall moto style rims like Zipp. For sure not stiff.

Shinook wrote:
That's the first thing I thought when I saw those, the profile looks similar to the Zipp rims. IIRC Zipp beds the spokes uniquely as well...

That's the first thing I thought when I saw those, the profile looks similar to the Zipp rims. IIRC Zipp beds the spokes uniquely as well to allow more movement. I hate giving SRAM money after they've shafted me on warranty claims in the past, so it'd be tempting if they could get the same level of compliance.

It might also be interesting to see if they do a different front and rear profile. Zipp sells a different front/rear rim, the impression I hear from riders is the front is really good, but the rear can be a bit vague if you really push into berms. It'll be interesting to see if they keep the same profile front/rear or do them uniquely. 

You're allowed to choose different rims for the different ends of your bike. 

Yes, I'm aware. I've debated on doing this for my next build with the Zipp and using a 3Zero front w/ a WAO Triad rear, but I'm kinda interested to see what Enve cranks out first. 

The reason I'm curious to see if they do this is that it makes more sense from a business/sales perspective to offer the same lineup with different fronts and rears, especially if people are buying them as an already built set. I expect not doing this is more problematic for Zipp since they don't have the wide rim lineup that Enve does for mtb, but not everyone does custom builds and some just want to buy something already laced up. 

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4/22/2024 9:33am Edited Date/Time 4/22/2024 9:33am
1llumA wrote:

Looks like the Michelin DH16 is finally available with some update to the DH22 casing and compound.

https://bikerumor.com/2024-michelin-mtb-tires/

Ah yes, the Michelin DerKaiserH16.. Grinning

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Dave113 wrote:
Maxxis DC is horrific on some surfaces. If you want a long wearing durable tire look at Conti DH casing soft, it'll be way better than...

Maxxis DC is horrific on some surfaces. If you want a long wearing durable tire look at Conti DH casing soft, it'll be way better than Maxxis DC. 

TEAMROBOT wrote:
Honest question, what surfaces are you having problems with on Maxxis DC tires? I've been running a Maxxgrip front/DC rear combo for years on in Oregon...

Honest question, what surfaces are you having problems with on Maxxis DC tires? I've been running a Maxxgrip front/DC rear combo for years on in Oregon, Washington, BC, California, Arizona, and Idaho in the sun and rain and haven't had any problems with it as a rear tire*. For a downhill race I'd switch to a Maxxgrip rear for just a little more grip and damping over chatter, but it's not like the bike was unridable with the harder rear tire.

*Of course, dual compound tires should never, ever, ever be mounted as a front tire

I've run an Maxxis Assegai Exo DC on the front for years with cushcore and love it! Super grip due to low pressure and the tyre lasts over a year!

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4/22/2024 11:16am
junkbox wrote:
Ah yes, the Michelin DerKaiserH16.. 

Ah yes, the Michelin DerKaiserH16.. Grinning

This tire is from a design that is probably older than you. Before the DHF was even a thing, a lot of us in here ran this tire and it was awesome. Except for when the side lugs used to tear super easy, but hopefully they fixed that.

 

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4/22/2024 1:25pm Edited Date/Time 4/23/2024 12:31pm
junkbox wrote:
Ah yes, the Michelin DerKaiserH16.. 

Ah yes, the Michelin DerKaiserH16.. Grinning

This tire is from a design that is probably older than you. Before the DHF was even a thing, a lot of us in here ran...

This tire is from a design that is probably older than you. Before the DHF was even a thing, a lot of us in here ran this tire and it was awesome. Except for when the side lugs used to tear super easy, but hopefully they fixed that.

 

...from a time when Continental was not even a (good) thing in MTB.

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4/22/2024 1:27pm

New enduro in time for the EDR premiere? Or how do ya´ll interpret Charlie Murray´s latest IG post?

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4/22/2024 1:34pm Edited Date/Time 4/22/2024 1:41pm

New enduro in time for the EDR premiere? Or how do ya´ll interpret Charlie Murray´s latest IG post?

Bet it’s the new stumpy. Heard summer release and it will come with a new “special” shock
 

Also heard enduro going HP and later this year early next year release 

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4/22/2024 1:51pm

Can someone post Murray’s post?

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4/22/2024 1:55pm Edited Date/Time 4/22/2024 1:56pm

As I'm curious about the new stumpy, I took a screen grab of his most recent video.  IT doesn't look different than the current stumpy, but hard to say.  

And here is the instagram post referenced. "It’s almost time for a new bike for the 2024 race season but I’ll always have a soft spot for this beautiful thing" with a picture of the current stumpy https://www.instagram.com/p/C6ECVXosS4p/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

 

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4/22/2024 2:28pm
Ernst_ wrote:
Whats about the super secret black smoking tent freom propain at seaotter? They must got some dope product.  

Whats about the super secret black smoking tent freom propain at seaotter? They must got some dope product.

 

GMBN has a video in which they blur out R. Payne's bike at the 24-hour Old Pueblo race in Tucson. Maybe it's a proper XC bike.

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4/22/2024 2:30pm

The ext prototype was surprising.  Was not expecting usd.

Nico_Hrndz wrote:
Well after the Ferro was released I suppose there wasn't such a long way to get to a DH-specd fork.    Anyway, as we're talking about...

Well after the Ferro was released I suppose there wasn't such a long way to get to a DH-specd fork. 

 

Anyway, as we're talking about USD forks...

If someone from Manitou can hear my screams behind my screen: WHERE IS THE DORADO SC

...thank you.

Isn't that what the Mezzer Pro supposed to be? It has 37mm stanchions and Dorado damper. 

4/22/2024 3:37pm
jasbushey wrote:
As I'm curious about the new stumpy, I took a screen grab of his most recent video.  IT doesn't look different than the current stumpy, but...

As I'm curious about the new stumpy, I took a screen grab of his most recent video.  IT doesn't look different than the current stumpy, but hard to say.  

And here is the instagram post referenced. "It’s almost time for a new bike for the 2024 race season but I’ll always have a soft spot for this beautiful thing" with a picture of the current stumpy https://www.instagram.com/p/C6ECVXosS4p/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

 

That is not the new Stumpy. It's going to lose the side arm like the current version. Like the Levo SL, which is basically the new Stumpjumper. 


Specialized is in a bind with the Stumpjumper EVO as they still have more stock to clear out, which is why the new model has been done and not released for over a year. 
 

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4/22/2024 7:37pm Edited Date/Time 4/22/2024 7:41pm

New 2025 Stumpy (a couple of versions – Comp, Exper, Pro including Ohlins build) sort of leaked on one website, but no photos yet. 

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4/22/2024 10:33pm
Itsme wrote:
New 2025 Stumpy (a couple of versions – Comp, Exper, Pro including Ohlins build) sort of leaked on one website, but no photos yet. 

New 2025 Stumpy (a couple of versions – Comp, Exper, Pro including Ohlins build) sort of leaked on one website, but no photos yet. 

Translation: Delivery time: Available from June 8th, 2024. 
First EWS is May 10-12 so it will for sure have to break cover there under Murray (I'm sure there will be spy shots before). New Enduro was supposed to be out before the new Stumpy, but as I've said a few times, they went back to the drawing board to copy the prototype Demo so it got delayed.  

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4/23/2024 12:22am
junkbox wrote:
Ah yes, the Michelin DerKaiserH16.. 

Ah yes, the Michelin DerKaiserH16.. Grinning

This tire is from a design that is probably older than you. Before the DHF was even a thing, a lot of us in here ran...

This tire is from a design that is probably older than you. Before the DHF was even a thing, a lot of us in here ran this tire and it was awesome. Except for when the side lugs used to tear super easy, but hopefully they fixed that.

 

Wasn't it stock on V1 Big Hits? 

(This bike... 26/24 mullet and w/ the bigger linkage, up to 3' tires -damn I need to get one)

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4/23/2024 12:27am
Puneta wrote:

Isn't that what the Mezzer Pro supposed to be? It has 37mm stanchions and Dorado damper. 

It does have the cartridge indeed... but even if I'm sold on their 37mm stanchions and reverse arch design: it is still not a Dorado

(as you may imagine I'm lying on the floor and crying like a 3-year old)

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https://enduro-mtb.com/en/best-mtb-disc-brake-can-buy/

interesting brake test, still cannot understand how the "battle" for the best brake was between the Dominions and the mavens and not between trickstuffs and hopes, hopes do everything better than the mavens, stop you quicker, better lever feel, easier to bleed, cheaper to buy, way better looking, even lighter, don't really know, regardless, interesting test backed up by dyno data

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4/23/2024 4:20am
Evil96 wrote:
https://enduro-mtb.com/en/best-mtb-disc-brake-can-buy/ interesting brake test, still cannot understand how the "battle" for the best brake was between the Dominions and the mavens and not between trickstuffs and...

https://enduro-mtb.com/en/best-mtb-disc-brake-can-buy/

interesting brake test, still cannot understand how the "battle" for the best brake was between the Dominions and the mavens and not between trickstuffs and hopes, hopes do everything better than the mavens, stop you quicker, better lever feel, easier to bleed, cheaper to buy, way better looking, even lighter, don't really know, regardless, interesting test backed up by dyno data

shame they didn't include saints

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4/23/2024 4:54am
Evil96 wrote:
https://enduro-mtb.com/en/best-mtb-disc-brake-can-buy/ interesting brake test, still cannot understand how the "battle" for the best brake was between the Dominions and the mavens and not between trickstuffs and...

https://enduro-mtb.com/en/best-mtb-disc-brake-can-buy/

interesting brake test, still cannot understand how the "battle" for the best brake was between the Dominions and the mavens and not between trickstuffs and hopes, hopes do everything better than the mavens, stop you quicker, better lever feel, easier to bleed, cheaper to buy, way better looking, even lighter, don't really know, regardless, interesting test backed up by dyno data

Its clear the Hopes are the winner on power and deceleration times. Trickstuff's where the best in some of the tests but for their price I was expecting them to be significantly more powerful. Having gotten my greasy fingers on all the brakes in test except the Trickstuffs, nothing comes close to the Hopes for build quality and the complete lack of play/slop in the lever.

It seems like they have based the results on lever feel and ergonomics which unlike power are quite subjective. I have two sets of Tech 4 V4's and love them but the softer lever feel certainly took some getting too. Some friends have tried them and liked them others didn't. They also seem to have been deducted points due to running on DOT fluid instead of the completely safe and lickable  mineral oil. 

Overall a good test and having dyno numbers to reference back too is a great resource. 

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4/23/2024 5:01am
Evil96 wrote:
https://enduro-mtb.com/en/best-mtb-disc-brake-can-buy/ interesting brake test, still cannot understand how the "battle" for the best brake was between the Dominions and the mavens and not between trickstuffs and...

https://enduro-mtb.com/en/best-mtb-disc-brake-can-buy/

interesting brake test, still cannot understand how the "battle" for the best brake was between the Dominions and the mavens and not between trickstuffs and hopes, hopes do everything better than the mavens, stop you quicker, better lever feel, easier to bleed, cheaper to buy, way better looking, even lighter, don't really know, regardless, interesting test backed up by dyno data

shame they didn't include saints

for how old the current saint models are now that may have been considered elder abuse

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4/23/2024 5:10am
jonkranked wrote:

for how old the current saint models are now that may have been considered elder abuse

and given how they excluded those, an update might be already in the review process (hopefully)

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Evil96 wrote:
https://enduro-mtb.com/en/best-mtb-disc-brake-can-buy/ interesting brake test, still cannot understand how the "battle" for the best brake was between the Dominions and the mavens and not between trickstuffs and...

https://enduro-mtb.com/en/best-mtb-disc-brake-can-buy/

interesting brake test, still cannot understand how the "battle" for the best brake was between the Dominions and the mavens and not between trickstuffs and hopes, hopes do everything better than the mavens, stop you quicker, better lever feel, easier to bleed, cheaper to buy, way better looking, even lighter, don't really know, regardless, interesting test backed up by dyno data

acambo wrote:
Its clear the Hopes are the winner on power and deceleration times. Trickstuff's where the best in some of the tests but for their price I...

Its clear the Hopes are the winner on power and deceleration times. Trickstuff's where the best in some of the tests but for their price I was expecting them to be significantly more powerful. Having gotten my greasy fingers on all the brakes in test except the Trickstuffs, nothing comes close to the Hopes for build quality and the complete lack of play/slop in the lever.

It seems like they have based the results on lever feel and ergonomics which unlike power are quite subjective. I have two sets of Tech 4 V4's and love them but the softer lever feel certainly took some getting too. Some friends have tried them and liked them others didn't. They also seem to have been deducted points due to running on DOT fluid instead of the completely safe and lickable  mineral oil. 

Overall a good test and having dyno numbers to reference back too is a great resource. 

i'm certainly curious as to how the various metrics were factored and weighted in the final assessment. 

 

one feature only the dominion's have is the alignment set screws on the calipers ("crosshair"). for how long these brakes have been on the market i'm astonished that nobody has copied it yet. 

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4/23/2024 5:57am
Evil96 wrote:
https://enduro-mtb.com/en/best-mtb-disc-brake-can-buy/ interesting brake test, still cannot understand how the "battle" for the best brake was between the Dominions and the mavens and not between trickstuffs and...

https://enduro-mtb.com/en/best-mtb-disc-brake-can-buy/

interesting brake test, still cannot understand how the "battle" for the best brake was between the Dominions and the mavens and not between trickstuffs and hopes, hopes do everything better than the mavens, stop you quicker, better lever feel, easier to bleed, cheaper to buy, way better looking, even lighter, don't really know, regardless, interesting test backed up by dyno data

acambo wrote:
Its clear the Hopes are the winner on power and deceleration times. Trickstuff's where the best in some of the tests but for their price I...

Its clear the Hopes are the winner on power and deceleration times. Trickstuff's where the best in some of the tests but for their price I was expecting them to be significantly more powerful. Having gotten my greasy fingers on all the brakes in test except the Trickstuffs, nothing comes close to the Hopes for build quality and the complete lack of play/slop in the lever.

It seems like they have based the results on lever feel and ergonomics which unlike power are quite subjective. I have two sets of Tech 4 V4's and love them but the softer lever feel certainly took some getting too. Some friends have tried them and liked them others didn't. They also seem to have been deducted points due to running on DOT fluid instead of the completely safe and lickable  mineral oil. 

Overall a good test and having dyno numbers to reference back too is a great resource. 

I love Enduro MTB's tests. Having real data to their opinions is always helpful. However, the always do something odd in the testing that kind of makes me wonder why they did what they did. 

For instance, on their chart showing brake performance they decided to use sinter/metallic pads for all the brakes except for the Mavens and TRP. The fact that the Mavens were as powerful as they were with organic pads leads me to believe that they actually might be the strongest brake out there on the market currently.  Not to derail this thread on another brake discussion, but figured I'd point it out.

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