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Dave113
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4/19/2024 10:16am

I thought they already had EXO MaxxGrip though. 

They need to make DH casing in anything but MaxxGrip…

TEAMROBOT wrote:
Great news! The Assegai, DHF, and DHR2 are all available in a hard compound with DH casing. Maxxis calls it "Dual Compound." All three of those...

Great news! The Assegai, DHF, and DHR2 are all available in a hard compound with DH casing. Maxxis calls it "Dual Compound." All three of those are available in 29 and the DHR2 is also available in a 2.5x27.5. So everybody gets a long wearing, durable rear tire. We just had this discussion (at great length) in the tire forum: https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/tire-chat-nerds-only?page=3#comment…

Maxxis DC is horrific on some surfaces. If you want a long wearing durable tire look at Conti DH casing soft, it'll be way better than Maxxis DC. 

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4/19/2024 11:16am

No shot. Since when? I gotta take a look! 

Angry

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4/19/2024 1:20pm Edited Date/Time 4/19/2024 1:23pm
Dave113 wrote:
Maxxis DC is horrific on some surfaces. If you want a long wearing durable tire look at Conti DH casing soft, it'll be way better than...

Maxxis DC is horrific on some surfaces. If you want a long wearing durable tire look at Conti DH casing soft, it'll be way better than Maxxis DC. 

Honest question, what surfaces are you having problems with on Maxxis DC tires? I've been running a Maxxgrip front/DC rear combo for years on in Oregon, Washington, BC, California, Arizona, and Idaho in the sun and rain and haven't had any problems with it as a rear tire*. For a downhill race I'd switch to a Maxxgrip rear for just a little more grip and damping over chatter, but it's not like the bike was unridable with the harder rear tire.

*Of course, dual compound tires should never, ever, ever be mounted as a front tire

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Dave113
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Dave113 wrote:
Maxxis DC is horrific on some surfaces. If you want a long wearing durable tire look at Conti DH casing soft, it'll be way better than...

Maxxis DC is horrific on some surfaces. If you want a long wearing durable tire look at Conti DH casing soft, it'll be way better than Maxxis DC. 

TEAMROBOT wrote:
Honest question, what surfaces are you having problems with on Maxxis DC tires? I've been running a Maxxgrip front/DC rear combo for years on in Oregon...

Honest question, what surfaces are you having problems with on Maxxis DC tires? I've been running a Maxxgrip front/DC rear combo for years on in Oregon, Washington, BC, California, Arizona, and Idaho in the sun and rain and haven't had any problems with it as a rear tire*. For a downhill race I'd switch to a Maxxgrip rear for just a little more grip and damping over chatter, but it's not like the bike was unridable with the harder rear tire.

*Of course, dual compound tires should never, ever, ever be mounted as a front tire

Certain kinds of rock and most roots, and it all gets much worse if it's wet. There's one local trail (Bitterbrush in Lyons, CO) that's mostly rock and Maxxis DC has no grip on it, and when wet it's scary. To make things worse it's not even that durable, the sideknobs on the Aggressor tires get undercut and start to fold over pretty quickly. 

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Eae903
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4/19/2024 4:34pm
Eh, I feel like Kona has been irrelevant for a while and then you have the Kent Outdoors acquisition, all downhill from there. I haven't really...

Eh, I feel like Kona has been irrelevant for a while and then you have the Kent Outdoors acquisition, all downhill from there. I haven't really thought about Konas since seeing the Stinky in like 2012 lol

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They have fallen off the radar pretty hard for the last few years but you cannot deny they weren’t the talk of the town not too...

They have fallen off the radar pretty hard for the last few years but you cannot deny they weren’t the talk of the town not too long ago really. 2013-16 ish with the 153 and 111 everybody (me included) were quite stoked.

It is a total bummer as they were one of the OG gravity brands. I feel like the market is hyper competitive. Your bikes have to...

It is a total bummer as they were one of the OG gravity brands. I feel like the market is hyper competitive. Your bikes have to look awesome, ride awesome, be on the cutting edge, have a cool story, and your brand has to be an excellent story teller to stay relevant in order to achieve long term success. In the last 7-8 years, I felt as if Kona was just riding the wave of tech and innovation vs being the wave. 

They had a big hand is starting the modern geo wave with the Process line, honestly don't understand why they fell off like they did, because the bikes were a ton of fun. 

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TannerVal
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4/19/2024 6:47pm

I thought they already had EXO MaxxGrip though. 

They need to make DH casing in anything but MaxxGrip…

TEAMROBOT wrote:
Great news! The Assegai, DHF, and DHR2 are all available in a hard compound with DH casing. Maxxis calls it "Dual Compound." All three of those...

Great news! The Assegai, DHF, and DHR2 are all available in a hard compound with DH casing. Maxxis calls it "Dual Compound." All three of those are available in 29 and the DHR2 is also available in a 2.5x27.5. So everybody gets a long wearing, durable rear tire. We just had this discussion (at great length) in the tire forum: https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/tire-chat-nerds-only?page=3#comment…

Dave113 wrote:
Maxxis DC is horrific on some surfaces. If you want a long wearing durable tire look at Conti DH casing soft, it'll be way better than...

Maxxis DC is horrific on some surfaces. If you want a long wearing durable tire look at Conti DH casing soft, it'll be way better than Maxxis DC. 

As someone who actually likes having to change tires so they can try more different tires, the Conti rear DH soft compounds have been wearing frustratingly (half kidding) slow. Grip is comparable if not better than maxxis maxxterra and the knobs barely show signs of wear after a season of northeast bike park and granite slab riding. Pretty impressive and good for the wallet. Just put a DH casing soft compound argotal on the back of my levo so interested to see how the taller knobs wear.

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4/19/2024 7:12pm

Other site says Kona is for sale. I hope they make it through 

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TannerVal wrote:
As someone who actually likes having to change tires so they can try more different tires, the Conti rear DH soft compounds have been wearing frustratingly...

As someone who actually likes having to change tires so they can try more different tires, the Conti rear DH soft compounds have been wearing frustratingly (half kidding) slow. Grip is comparable if not better than maxxis maxxterra and the knobs barely show signs of wear after a season of northeast bike park and granite slab riding. Pretty impressive and good for the wallet. Just put a DH casing soft compound argotal on the back of my levo so interested to see how the taller knobs wear.

I had the same experience w/ Kryptotal Enduro Soft Fr/Re; Assegai/DHR MaxxGrip usually last half a season for me, I've got that much on the Contis and they are still going strong.

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eljefe1 wrote:

spd mechanism, new shimano?

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eljefe1 wrote:

krabo83 wrote:

spd mechanism, new shimano?

Yoshi I think 

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Eae903 wrote:
They had a big hand is starting the modern geo wave with the Process line, honestly don't understand why they fell off like they did, because...

They had a big hand is starting the modern geo wave with the Process line, honestly don't understand why they fell off like they did, because the bikes were a ton of fun. 

bikes ride well, but the builts were all over the place for years specwise, not very attractive compared to most other options.

now back to tech rumors Smile

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4/19/2024 9:21pm Edited Date/Time 4/19/2024 9:25pm
eljefe1 wrote:

krabo83 wrote:

spd mechanism, new shimano?

Yoshi I think 

funny shimano isn‘t coming out with an enduro spd pedal. love my saints but they‘re heavy as f* and the cages of the XT/XTR are a joke, make no difference. something in between would be nice, like the CB mullet-e to the mullet-dh is.

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0:00 - Old Bikes for Sale
0:36 - PUSH Industries
1:04 - Commercial Supreme
1:14 - Braydon Bringhurst’s Custom Canyon Spectral Slalom Bike
1:51 - Pivot Cycles
2:25 - Tannus Inserts
2:46 - X-Fusion
3:33 - Deity Components
4:20 - Marin
4:55 - WeAreOne
5:25 - Box 9-Speed
6:13 - EXT Suspension
7:04 - Bowhead Adaptive Cycling
7:40 - Trials, Trust & Tires
8:01 - Loam Wolf Bike Giveaway
9:04 - Ed Masters 17 Tease
9:32 - Fergus Ryan’s Privateer 161
11:14 - Cascade Components
12:50 - Vorsprung Shock
13:37 - Digit Bikes
14:33 - Dak Norton’s Vital Fantasy Value
16:25 - Mondraker
17:10 - Holy Crap That’s a Lot of Bikes
17:22 - Raw Dual Slalom Practice Clips

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Jimmyboy401
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4/20/2024 12:40am

Has there been anything seen/heard of a new Mondraker Superfoxy ??

4/20/2024 3:02am

Has there been anything seen/heard of a new Mondraker Superfoxy ??

I thought monty was practically done when jesus garcia left

Primoz
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4/20/2024 3:19am

Jesus Garcia? 

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4/20/2024 11:05am
sspomer wrote:
  0:00 - Old Bikes for Sale 0:36 - PUSH Industries 1:04 - Commercial Supreme 1:14 - Braydon Bringhurst’s Custom Canyon Spectral Slalom Bike 1:51 -...
 

0:00 - Old Bikes for Sale
0:36 - PUSH Industries
1:04 - Commercial Supreme
1:14 - Braydon Bringhurst’s Custom Canyon Spectral Slalom Bike
1:51 - Pivot Cycles
2:25 - Tannus Inserts
2:46 - X-Fusion
3:33 - Deity Components
4:20 - Marin
4:55 - WeAreOne
5:25 - Box 9-Speed
6:13 - EXT Suspension
7:04 - Bowhead Adaptive Cycling
7:40 - Trials, Trust & Tires
8:01 - Loam Wolf Bike Giveaway
9:04 - Ed Masters 17 Tease
9:32 - Fergus Ryan’s Privateer 161
11:14 - Cascade Components
12:50 - Vorsprung Shock
13:37 - Digit Bikes
14:33 - Dak Norton’s Vital Fantasy Value
16:25 - Mondraker
17:10 - Holy Crap That’s a Lot of Bikes
17:22 - Raw Dual Slalom Practice Clips

Watching now..

Evil96
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4/20/2024 2:18pm

New Enves should be on their way, let's see if they stick to the stiff like a brick or they changed like everyone else

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bizutch
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4/20/2024 7:50pm

Kona rant:
I have a like new 2022 Process 153 27.5.  One of a few brands that thankfully makes a fun mountain bike in my tire size of choice.

But they put water bottle mounts on a frame that you can't put a water bottle on. Literally. 
The bottle cage hits the shock reservoir.  That being said...I'll ride that bltch til the wheels fall off.

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Primoz
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4/20/2024 11:27pm

Get a Di2 adapter to move the bottle cage further up the downtube...

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Whattheheel
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4/21/2024 12:29am

Wolftooth makes a pretty rad one too.  Lots of cages have an adjustable mounting zone as well. 

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Verbl Kint
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4/21/2024 2:25am
bizutch wrote:
Kona rant: I have a like new 2022 Process 153 27.5.  One of a few brands that thankfully makes a fun mountain bike in my tire...

Kona rant:
I have a like new 2022 Process 153 27.5.  One of a few brands that thankfully makes a fun mountain bike in my tire size of choice.

But they put water bottle mounts on a frame that you can't put a water bottle on. Literally. 
The bottle cage hits the shock reservoir.  That being said...I'll ride that bltch til the wheels fall off.

I had the same problem on an older Process 153 (29" size M). The only bottle I could fit was the smallest Fidlock (450 ml). My estimate was around 2mm of clearance to the top of the Super Deluxe at full compression.

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4/21/2024 7:28am

Weird kona rant, I had a medium process 29 153 and had no issues with bottles fitting. Wife has a small 27.5 process 153 and can fit a small bottle no problem. 

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4/21/2024 8:00am

Whats about the super secret black smoking tent freom propain at seaotter? They must got some dope product.

 

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Ernst_ wrote:
Whats about the super secret black smoking tent freom propain at seaotter? They must got some dope product.  

Whats about the super secret black smoking tent freom propain at seaotter? They must got some dope product.

 

Sram has Black Box, Propain has Hot Box..

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4/21/2024 9:17am
Evil96 wrote:
New Enves should be on their way, let's see if they stick to the stiff like a brick or they changed like everyone else

New Enves should be on their way, let's see if they stick to the stiff like a brick or they changed like everyone else

Don't know if they made it out of the testing stage, but the Enves I saw last year were single wall moto style rims like Zipp. For sure not stiff.

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shreda
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4/21/2024 1:46pm
Ernst_ wrote:
Whats about the super secret black smoking tent freom propain at seaotter? They must got some dope product.  

Whats about the super secret black smoking tent freom propain at seaotter? They must got some dope product.

 

They will release 1 or 2 gravel bikes. MTB News sneaked into the tent and you can see some skinny tires…

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4/21/2024 2:10pm
shreda wrote:

They will release 1 or 2 gravel bikes. MTB News sneaked into the tent and you can see some skinny tires…

My guess would be a gravel bike or a short travel trail bike.. Seems to be the main two openings in the lineup..

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4/21/2024 3:18pm

Looking at Sea Otter coverage & other recent product announcements, high-flow tubeless valves seem to be this year's "We made one too!" product.

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