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11/28/2023 7:07am

Dec 7th is going to bring some new potions to the witchcraft

I really hoping HIGH expectations

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11/28/2023 8:23am Edited Date/Time 11/28/2023 8:26am
jonkranked wrote:

they're watching us.

also, no screenshot? 

Only got this; spring rates for 126lb rider.

From memory it's $850 for the shock assembly only, spring and hardware are extra. You can use springs from other manufacturers.

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Edit: Here's the slug:

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DirtyHal wrote:

I might be blind but I'm not seeing what sizes are offered?

 

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11/28/2023 8:56am Edited Date/Time 11/28/2023 8:57am

This fits a really nice spot in the market.

It seems to only have 2 tunes available, A or B based on spring rate. And if you are right on the edge (i.e. 500# spring) you might end up in between instead of in the sweet spot of the tune. Not to mention that it doesn't appear to be frame specific any longer. Of course, I don't have all info only what I see at that link, so who knows.

For the same money, I'd still choose an Avy tuned Bomber CR personally. (I did and have one on order)

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11/28/2023 9:02am

The Push shock just hit PB as well.

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11/28/2023 9:42am
komarek wrote:
Suns_PSD wrote:
This fits a really nice spot in the market. It seems to only have 2 tunes available, A or B based on spring rate. And if...

This fits a really nice spot in the market.

It seems to only have 2 tunes available, A or B based on spring rate. And if you are right on the edge (i.e. 500# spring) you might end up in between instead of in the sweet spot of the tune. Not to mention that it doesn't appear to be frame specific any longer. Of course, I don't have all info only what I see at that link, so who knows.

For the same money, I'd still choose an Avy tuned Bomber CR personally. (I did and have one on order)

the one thing this has over an avy tuned shock is the user adjustable stroke. 5mm isn't a lot, but its something. 

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komarek wrote:
Suns_PSD wrote:
This fits a really nice spot in the market. It seems to only have 2 tunes available, A or B based on spring rate. And if...

This fits a really nice spot in the market.

It seems to only have 2 tunes available, A or B based on spring rate. And if you are right on the edge (i.e. 500# spring) you might end up in between instead of in the sweet spot of the tune. Not to mention that it doesn't appear to be frame specific any longer. Of course, I don't have all info only what I see at that link, so who knows.

For the same money, I'd still choose an Avy tuned Bomber CR personally. (I did and have one on order)

jonkranked wrote:

the one thing this has over an avy tuned shock is the user adjustable stroke. 5mm isn't a lot, but its something. 

That's not really unique though is it?  It's just a spacer behind the bottom out bumper unless you're also changing eye-to-eye.  Seems like it would mess with HBO though, I know the EXT should be rebuilt to adjust HBO if you change stroke.

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11/28/2023 10:02am
jonkranked wrote:

the one thing this has over an avy tuned shock is the user adjustable stroke. 5mm isn't a lot, but its something. 

Also HBO.  Usefulness depends on the bike, but in the right use case it's really nice to have. 

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11/28/2023 10:03am Edited Date/Time 11/28/2023 10:05am

Also HBO.  Usefulness depends on the bike, but in the right use case it's really nice to have. 

It's not adjustable however and Avy accomplishes the same thing using custom shaped & density bumpers for your specific application. Well except the Avy solution is better because the bumper has a rebound effect consistent with the amount of damping it provides, unlike hydraulic bottom out.

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11/28/2023 10:12am
Suns_PSD wrote:
This fits a really nice spot in the market. It seems to only have 2 tunes available, A or B based on spring rate. And if...

This fits a really nice spot in the market.

It seems to only have 2 tunes available, A or B based on spring rate. And if you are right on the edge (i.e. 500# spring) you might end up in between instead of in the sweet spot of the tune. Not to mention that it doesn't appear to be frame specific any longer. Of course, I don't have all info only what I see at that link, so who knows.

For the same money, I'd still choose an Avy tuned Bomber CR personally. (I did and have one on order)

jonkranked wrote:

the one thing this has over an avy tuned shock is the user adjustable stroke. 5mm isn't a lot, but its something. 

ZAKBROWN! wrote:
That's not really unique though is it?  It's just a spacer behind the bottom out bumper unless you're also changing eye-to-eye.  Seems like it would mess...

That's not really unique though is it?  It's just a spacer behind the bottom out bumper unless you're also changing eye-to-eye.  Seems like it would mess with HBO though, I know the EXT should be rebuilt to adjust HBO if you change stroke.

didn't mean to infer that it was unique, but that it's not a feature available on any of the shocks that can be tuned by Avy to the best of my knowledge. 

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11/28/2023 10:28am
jonkranked wrote:

the one thing this has over an avy tuned shock is the user adjustable stroke. 5mm isn't a lot, but its something. 

ZAKBROWN! wrote:
That's not really unique though is it?  It's just a spacer behind the bottom out bumper unless you're also changing eye-to-eye.  Seems like it would mess...

That's not really unique though is it?  It's just a spacer behind the bottom out bumper unless you're also changing eye-to-eye.  Seems like it would mess with HBO though, I know the EXT should be rebuilt to adjust HBO if you change stroke.

jonkranked wrote:
didn't mean to infer that it was unique, but that it's not a feature available on any of the shocks that can be tuned by Avy...

didn't mean to infer that it was unique, but that it's not a feature available on any of the shocks that can be tuned by Avy to the best of my knowledge. 

Yeah IDK what Push's solution is but newer DHX2's are pretty easy with the 2-piece spacer - https://www.ridefox.com/fox17/help.php?m=bike&id=1100

On the Bomber (like pre-21 DHX2's) you'd just have to clamp the shaft, unscrew the rebound eyelet, insert spacer, and reinstalls eyelet.  User adjustable as long as you have the right tools Wink   

 

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ZAKBROWN! wrote:
That's not really unique though is it?  It's just a spacer behind the bottom out bumper unless you're also changing eye-to-eye.  Seems like it would mess...

That's not really unique though is it?  It's just a spacer behind the bottom out bumper unless you're also changing eye-to-eye.  Seems like it would mess with HBO though, I know the EXT should be rebuilt to adjust HBO if you change stroke.

jonkranked wrote:
didn't mean to infer that it was unique, but that it's not a feature available on any of the shocks that can be tuned by Avy...

didn't mean to infer that it was unique, but that it's not a feature available on any of the shocks that can be tuned by Avy to the best of my knowledge. 

ZAKBROWN! wrote:
Yeah IDK what Push's solution is but newer DHX2's are pretty easy with the 2-piece spacer - https://www.ridefox.com/fox17/help.php?m=bike&id=1100 On the Bomber (like pre-21 DHX2's) you'd just have...

Yeah IDK what Push's solution is but newer DHX2's are pretty easy with the 2-piece spacer - https://www.ridefox.com/fox17/help.php?m=bike&id=1100

On the Bomber (like pre-21 DHX2's) you'd just have to clamp the shaft, unscrew the rebound eyelet, insert spacer, and reinstalls eyelet.  User adjustable as long as you have the right tools Wink   

 

Just looked at the full article, it's pretty much just like the newer DHX2's only on the eyelet end instead of the shock body.  So a bit easier than the Bomber, and no need for shaft clamps.

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11/28/2023 10:36am
ZAKBROWN! wrote:
That's not really unique though is it?  It's just a spacer behind the bottom out bumper unless you're also changing eye-to-eye.  Seems like it would mess...

That's not really unique though is it?  It's just a spacer behind the bottom out bumper unless you're also changing eye-to-eye.  Seems like it would mess with HBO though, I know the EXT should be rebuilt to adjust HBO if you change stroke.

jonkranked wrote:
didn't mean to infer that it was unique, but that it's not a feature available on any of the shocks that can be tuned by Avy...

didn't mean to infer that it was unique, but that it's not a feature available on any of the shocks that can be tuned by Avy to the best of my knowledge. 

ZAKBROWN! wrote:
Yeah IDK what Push's solution is but newer DHX2's are pretty easy with the 2-piece spacer - https://www.ridefox.com/fox17/help.php?m=bike&id=1100 On the Bomber (like pre-21 DHX2's) you'd just have...

Yeah IDK what Push's solution is but newer DHX2's are pretty easy with the 2-piece spacer - https://www.ridefox.com/fox17/help.php?m=bike&id=1100

On the Bomber (like pre-21 DHX2's) you'd just have to clamp the shaft, unscrew the rebound eyelet, insert spacer, and reinstalls eyelet.  User adjustable as long as you have the right tools Wink   

 

avy no longer offers the SSD modification for the dh/x2s that have the externally adjustable stroke via the spacer/plate.  the sv8 has a similar adjustment for stroke, but the spacers screw in under the bottom out bumper instead of the main shock body

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11/28/2023 11:10am
Suns_PSD wrote:
It's not adjustable however and Avy accomplishes the same thing using custom shaped & density bumpers for your specific application. Well except the Avy solution is...

It's not adjustable however and Avy accomplishes the same thing using custom shaped & density bumpers for your specific application. Well except the Avy solution is better because the bumper has a rebound effect consistent with the amount of damping it provides, unlike hydraulic bottom out.

Is the rebound statement part your own theory or something you can back up? Because common theory of HBO is pretty clear in that it offers added rebound damping in the same part of the travel where it ads compression damping(it takes force to disengage cone from the cup), which is considered nice bonus when you get that deep into stroke.

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Also HBO.  Usefulness depends on the bike, but in the right use case it's really nice to have. 

Suns_PSD wrote:
It's not adjustable however and Avy accomplishes the same thing using custom shaped & density bumpers for your specific application. Well except the Avy solution is...

It's not adjustable however and Avy accomplishes the same thing using custom shaped & density bumpers for your specific application. Well except the Avy solution is better because the bumper has a rebound effect consistent with the amount of damping it provides, unlike hydraulic bottom out.

I've owned a couple of Avy tuned shocks as well as the current Super Deluxe with HBO.  With HBO you don't need to alter rebound since the HBO only kicks in during compression and doesn't add any spring energy.  HBO feels smoother on large drops when you max out travel - like you're landing on a pillow; however as you point out the HBO on the Push is non-adjustable, so how well it will work on any given bike is unknown. 

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komarek wrote:
Suns_PSD wrote:
This fits a really nice spot in the market. It seems to only have 2 tunes available, A or B based on spring rate. And if...

This fits a really nice spot in the market.

It seems to only have 2 tunes available, A or B based on spring rate. And if you are right on the edge (i.e. 500# spring) you might end up in between instead of in the sweet spot of the tune. Not to mention that it doesn't appear to be frame specific any longer. Of course, I don't have all info only what I see at that link, so who knows.

For the same money, I'd still choose an Avy tuned Bomber CR personally. (I did and have one on order)

jonkranked wrote:

the one thing this has over an avy tuned shock is the user adjustable stroke. 5mm isn't a lot, but its something. 

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11/28/2023 12:26pm
O1D4 wrote:
I'm sure there is a better thread for this 'discussion' but 'e-bikes' already have a name that clearly differentiates them from 'bikes' so there is no...

I'm sure there is a better thread for this 'discussion' but 'e-bikes' already have a name that clearly differentiates them from 'bikes' so there is no need to rename 'bikes' in any way or form.

Silly 

veefour wrote:

Exactly. I've never heard anyone refer to a non powered toothbrush as analogue or acoustic. 

 

metadave wrote:

I've been calling regular bikes "Naturally asperated" for a couple years but it hasn't caught on yet. 

The naming convention was determined decades ago.  Motorized pedal bikes were called mopeds, full human powered bicycles have and always will be bicycles.

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11/28/2023 12:55pm
davekoenig wrote:

The naming convention was determined decades ago.  Motorized pedal bikes were called mopeds, full human powered bicycles have and always will be bicycles.

Please can we just get on with it?
If you want to discuss the differences in bicycles and motorbikes please do that somewhere else.

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davekoenig wrote:

The naming convention was determined decades ago.  Motorized pedal bikes were called mopeds, full human powered bicycles have and always will be bicycles.

This is the most logical thinking that I have seen in the e-bike vs bike naming debate. I'm 100% on board with this.

E-Moped or E-Ped are the only terms I am accepting at this point. Who's with me? lol Laughing

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davekoenig wrote:

The naming convention was determined decades ago.  Motorized pedal bikes were called mopeds, full human powered bicycles have and always will be bicycles.

This is the most logical thinking that I have seen in the e-bike vs bike naming debate. I'm 100% on board with this. E-Moped or E-Ped...

This is the most logical thinking that I have seen in the e-bike vs bike naming debate. I'm 100% on board with this.

E-Moped or E-Ped are the only terms I am accepting at this point. Who's with me? lol Laughing

This is the bike industry, logic was never part of the equation 

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davekoenig wrote:

The naming convention was determined decades ago.  Motorized pedal bikes were called mopeds, full human powered bicycles have and always will be bicycles.

This is the most logical thinking that I have seen in the e-bike vs bike naming debate. I'm 100% on board with this. E-Moped or E-Ped...

This is the most logical thinking that I have seen in the e-bike vs bike naming debate. I'm 100% on board with this.

E-Moped or E-Ped are the only terms I am accepting at this point. Who's with me? lol Laughing

I just call them motorcycles😂

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For those who can't get enough raw alu, Ancillotti's proto is now for sale: Ancillotti bikes. Very sick. 

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Yoda wrote:

For those who can't get enough raw alu, Ancillotti's proto is now for sale: Ancillotti bikes. Very sick. 

sick indeed. But those GX Transmission cranks look like something off of a department store bike circa 1998. The frame makes these cranks look even worse than usual.

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11/29/2023 2:54pm

Is that the new Speshy Enduro? Tongue

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11/29/2023 3:37pm
I thought there was no way this was true, but yeah it sure seems like it. It's super sensitive to miniscule changes but there's almost no way...

I thought there was no way this was true, but yeah it sure seems like it. It's super sensitive to miniscule changes but there's almost no way it's actually 170mm, and if anything it's closer to 180mm. I guess sometimes it "rides like it has more travel than it does" because, well, it actually does.

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High vs low also influences travel a lot too. Putting it in high increases the eye to eye by 3 mm. If you integrate the leverage...

High vs low also influences travel a lot too. Putting it in high increases the eye to eye by 3 mm. If you integrate the leverage curve for the enduro on our site you get 176mm as well Wink

Could you talk more about how the high vs low affects the leverage curve and travel? I went from a ful 29 enduro in high to a mullet with mullet link (which is supposed to be closer to low setting) Bike feels less poppy and I think the spring feels a bit soft.

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