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Looks like a Fast Ride-E: https://www.fast-suspension.com/en/mtb-shock/173-616-ride-e-shock-endur…
we asked and the response was basically "not yet" for whatever reason. geo the most important piece of detail to release when announcing a bike. they hinted at spring '24 release, so maybe something is going to change between now and then?
Interesting. Not that I know anything about bike manufacturing but seems like they are cutting it close to change geo for a spring sale. Still funny they call it a "release" without the geo.
No offense to Intense, but if I was about to buy a fancy DH frame it'd be a Frameworks anyway.
They did something similar to their last enduro bike I think. Maybe it was the tracer or whatever, I can't remember which bike is which, but I think PB did a full bike review without knowing the actual geo lol.
With enough resolution (no idea if it's actually possible), I think you could be able to detect cavitation. If you map out stroke vs. pressure change at low speeds and get a different correlation at higher speeds, you're cavitating.
But all of that will be influenced by the oil getting warmer (expanding and moving the IFP, raising the pressure), the gas (air) behind the IFP getting warmer, raising pressure, etc. I doubt it would be reliable.
But when you consider a Shockwiz has, as far as I can tell, data about the compression ratio of zero and full stroke with no datapoint in the middle to at least try to map out the shape of the curve through the travel and from there on just the pressure during the rides, it's not THAT much different. Okay, the pressure changes are much higher with the air chamber measurement, obviously, which makes the resolution much better, but the principle of operation should be the same?
I have noticed this a lot this year, press releases about new bikes with no price, weight, geo or specific date of release... Why even do a press release at that point?
Hype.
So they are links, but they’re not links. Riiiiight
There is a logic to this madness.
FWIW, like I said, calling the bike a 6-link, not a 6-bar is a sneaky, but a technically correct move. I mentioned 'linkage driven single pivots' before, so I am fine with this being called a 6-link 4-bar. Logic. With a bit of 'fuck logic' added
The design is a 4 bar suspension design wih a linkage driven shock.
It's only 6 links when you need the 6 links to have a defined axle path.
New Whyte E-Lyte has been announced with 140/150 travel, Bosch SX motor with 400wh battery, and only 36.1 pounds for the top end build.
It's been mentioned before here and in other threads and I know weight isn't everything (though everyone loves to talk about it), but other than price how do you sell a 35+ pound trail bike when you can get an e-bike at the same weight? Are e-bikes getting lighter or are mtbs getting heavier?
It is probably a great bike, but that model is built with the same parts as you would find on a WC XC race bike, fox 34s, XC carbon wheels and tires etc. Not really comparable to a 35lbs trail bike. I Wish everyone would just list frame weights, parts are all third party and not specific to the frame anyway.
A 36 lbs e bike is probably equivalent to a 29 lbs trail bike. Light tires, lots of carbon, not durable.
a 36 lbs trail bike is hopefully cheap and durable
Also, is the price not a good enough factor? We're talking about the neighbourhood of 3 to 4 grand of difference after all...
EDIT: went investigating. The 36 pounder is the 140 works model. Like Dave mentioned, carbon frame, DT XMC 1501 carbon rims, trail (-ish) tyres, Fox 34, inline shock and a full XX, possibly even SL, transmission. And 180 mm rotors. 36 pounds is apparently 16,4 kg in normal units.
At 17,5 kg I'm currently running an all aluminium pedal bike at 180/180 mm of travel with a Zeb and a Super Deluxe, 200 mm rotors front and back, EX511 32 spoke rims on Michelin DH tyres and a cable actuated X01/Garbaruk drivetrain with an SX crank (165 mm experiment...) and OneUp pedals.
The price difference is not a 3 to 4 grand neighbourhood like I alluded above, it's basically a doubling of my already fairly expensive build.
So exactly what Dave mentioned. It's two completely different bikes without taking electricity into account. For the money and requirements, you'd probably build a 12 kg downcountry bike without a single issue.
Because selling the bike is more important than making the bike.
So the 6-bar suspension is the new AntiSquat. I remember the beginning of era when Dave Weagle introduced this term into MTB and had spent many years explaining it. That time a ridemonkey.com used to be my first-to-open web site each day. I think 6bars will receive big development and testing efforts. 6bar is even more important/potential up front than under your butt.
I think what bothers me about all of this 4-bar/6-bar conversation is that it feels like mountain bikers have decided on a series of terminology, ignoring the fact that there's ~100 years of precedence in linkage design.
People use linkages to do all sorts of things. There's very specific terminology around them. For the most part, that terminology (as far as I can tell) doesn't really change because of what you use as your output link. A horst link bike is a form of double rocker 4-bar link. It doesn't really cease to be a double rocker 4-bar link if you decide to change which link you mount your wheel to. So a "linkage driven single pivot" is fine, but deciding that this is somehow not a double rocker 4-bar link is strange. There are a lot of semantics about whether or not the bars are "necessary". I mean, sure, the bars don't change the axle path, but pull your "unecessary" bars off and see how far you get.
Have a look at this article here. It does a great job of explaining what I would paraphrase as "hey, you can slap a couple of bars onto a 4 bar link and call it a 6 bar, but there are more advanced ways of taking advantage of this." It then explains some classical 6-bar links and what they are there for.
https://mechanicaldesign101.com/2016/07/26/want-a-patent-try-a-six-bar-…
If I venture up the right peak I'll get a peek at what they been cooking up.
A sneak peak is when you think you're at the top, but then turn a corner and see that you're still a whole 'nother peak away.
From the pics, what makes you say Shimano/cup bleed? Just curious to learn.
It's a guess based on the bleed-port bolt in the bottom-left pic; it looks the same as the one on Shimano brakes (to which you attach a bleed-cup). It could also take a syringe attachment but IME those are usually grub screws (e.g. Hayes).
Been hoping to hear more about that proto tire Shorty v3 HRIII. It's the season for this to hit the market. Loved the V1 shorty (2.5 maxxgip dh) in the loose/loam but lacked versatility, V2 (2.4 DD MG) was kind of a let down, lighter rolled better but missed the V1 cornering fun, Wild Enduro looked good but I didn't fall in love with it, considering the Tacky Chan but it's not checking off all the boxes. Funny all the tires I try and keep going back to DHF DHRII.
I was really happy with the Tacky Chan over the summer as a front tire. It's great on loose over hardpack that makes up the majority of the local trails as long as you are ok with the DHF style lack of transition knobs.
I just switched back to a Magic Marry for the fall/ winter because it punches through the leaves on the trails better but the side knobs can fold as the trails dry out here over the summer, the Tacky Chan doesn't have this issue.
Im happy switching front tires between Magic Marry in fall/ winter and Tacky Chan for spring/summer here in GA.
Anymore info on the forbidden dh rig or v2 Dreadnaught. The current is on sale the same way the v1 Druid was. The dh video said early November for the dh bike and well we are past. Hopping to see some new stuff soon!
All signs point to Dread V2 early in 2024. The team was riding DH protos this year, so that bike should be available this spring as well. I think Forbidden/Synthesis just signed for 2 more years, so there SHOULD be new whips for them to ride.
Hope so. But I can’t but wonder how the dread can get better. The v1 is just about the best bike ever
What is this USD fork? Very interesting. I can't recognize the white logo on right leg.
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