Yes. And I agree that Enduro is not really up to date, only thing that is ok-ish in this day and age is reach and wheelbase...
Yes. And I agree that Enduro is not really up to date, only thing that is ok-ish in this day and age is reach and wheelbase, but head angle? Nope. Seat angle? Double nope? Proportional or adjustable chainstay length? You guessed it. And kinematics are not that great either with Almost 3:1 average LR, anyone over 100kg will have very hard time finding the right coil or air shock that can be pumped to necessary pressure.
What is it about the seat angle and head angle you wouldn't call "modern"? If the HA was over 65 degrees I would agree but its 64 which is spot on IMO, going slacker than that would bring more drawbacks than anything. Proportionally sized chainstays are a nice to have but logistically difficult, and are still pretty rare.
Kinematics are far from the most difficult I've seen, its pretty high but up to around 110kg is not a problem and as long as the spring is appropriate they will work really well, unlike other challenging bikes which have more compromise between grip and bottoming resistance. I think its one of those bikes that people overthink set up for and either try to source excessively high spring rates or run lots of tokens in their air shock, and both end up pretty awful.
For what it's worth, people spotted a few Evil vans testing prototypes at a badass trail near Leavenworth, WA a couple of weeks ago. What the hell would I know, But that doesn't seem like a company that is dissolving.
I don't have one myself, but seeing how popular the Enduro has been, I'd bet a lot of people could benefit from a 'Long Stroke' link...
I don't have one myself, but seeing how popular the Enduro has been, I'd bet a lot of people could benefit from a 'Long Stroke' link for a 205x65mm shock. No idea why Spesh made the leverage ratio so high.
It was worse in X wing version, 57 stroke shortened from 63 for 170mm! it rode pretty well though even with my 105kg weight
For what it's worth, people spotted a few Evil vans testing prototypes at a badass trail near Leavenworth, WA a couple of weeks ago. What the...
For what it's worth, people spotted a few Evil vans testing prototypes at a badass trail near Leavenworth, WA a couple of weeks ago. What the hell would I know, But that doesn't seem like a company that is dissolving.
Yeah maybe theyre doing okay now. But I heard from someone on the inside that things were getting pretty grim for them. Or they were already absorbed by another company and deals are still being finalized and support has already been established. Id be surprised if they did dissolve, but as far as I knew 6 months ago, this person made it sound like this year may be their last. Seeing their deals they randomly put out, made me think they were not blowing smoke.
As far as that posting goes for new people, its not too uncommon for large companies to “search” for people but never hire. Keeps moral of overworked employees stable, and costs low for some time. Again, this is all just possible rumors.
If they did dissolve or get bought out, I hope the DeltaLink does not disappear.
What is it about the seat angle and head angle you wouldn't call "modern"? If the HA was over 65 degrees I would agree but its...
What is it about the seat angle and head angle you wouldn't call "modern"? If the HA was over 65 degrees I would agree but its 64 which is spot on IMO, going slacker than that would bring more drawbacks than anything. Proportionally sized chainstays are a nice to have but logistically difficult, and are still pretty rare.
Kinematics are far from the most difficult I've seen, its pretty high but up to around 110kg is not a problem and as long as the spring is appropriate they will work really well, unlike other challenging bikes which have more compromise between grip and bottoming resistance. I think its one of those bikes that people overthink set up for and either try to source excessively high spring rates or run lots of tokens in their air shock, and both end up pretty awful.
Effective seat angle is nothing to write home about but relatively close to modern bikes, but actual seat angle is slack in absolute terms and for riders who use S4 and 5 sizes puts them way back. Head angle is slacker than recent sj Evo and previous sj Evo. If they offered the same adjustment range or a little slacker (let's say 63.5 +- 0.5) it would work for wider range of situations and riders. And kinematics are good for specialized as what they used to produce before was questionable to say the least just going against the grain for the sake of it. Straight leverage curve is great, if it was from 3-2.2 or so, it would be better still and would work for almost anyone and with more reasonable spring rates, (not needing 600lb spring for 95kg guy etc). And adjustable chainstays are not that hard to implement if you don't want to use same principle as Norco forbidden etc with different front triangles( that you have to make anyway )for some reason.
So I'm in possession of an image friend sent me of a possible new frame design. I'm not posting the photo as I didn't get permission to post it so I mocked up the linkage (links, pivot points) of the new frame. I used a Trek rear end to make the mock-up easier (the rocker on this bike does look a little different than the Trek on in this image above. The pivot points in this mock-up are pretty accurate to the photo. 2 short links, horst pivot. Looks like something I've seen before, but can't pinpoint it. This bike was spotted in the PNW, but not sure that means anything. Looks to be a trail to enduro bike. Probably 140-160mm range based on shock size and stout looking frame.
So I'm in possession of an image friend sent me of a possible new frame design. I'm not posting the photo as I didn't get permission to...
So I'm in possession of an image friend sent me of a possible new frame design. I'm not posting the photo as I didn't get permission to post it so I mocked up the linkage (links, pivot points) of the new frame. I used a Trek rear end to make the mock-up easier (the rocker on this bike does look a little different than the Trek on in this image above. The pivot points in this mock-up are pretty accurate to the photo. 2 short links, horst pivot. Looks like something I've seen before, but can't pinpoint it. This bike was spotted in the PNW, but not sure that means anything. Looks to be a trail to enduro bike. Probably 140-160mm range based on shock size and stout looking frame.
I see the resemblance to DW6 with the short links--but it had a horst pivot on the chainstay.
Sink DW-Link patent is expiring this month, maybe that would explain someone is combining the DW6 linkage with a horst pivot for their next bike...
Also, if it is DW6, is that under the same patent as the original DW-Link that is expiring or is that a newer patent..(?) I assume it's the same but a mod of it.
I see the resemblance to DW6 with the short links--but it had a horst pivot on the chainstay.
Sink DW-Link patent is expiring this month, maybe...
I see the resemblance to DW6 with the short links--but it had a horst pivot on the chainstay.
Sink DW-Link patent is expiring this month, maybe that would explain someone is combining the DW6 linkage with a horst pivot for their next bike...
Also, if it is DW6, is that under the same patent as the original DW-Link that is expiring or is that a newer patent..(?) I assume it's the same but a mod of it.
DW6 has a pivot on the chainstay. Go check an Atherton
I see the resemblance to DW6 with the short links--but it had a horst pivot on the chainstay.
Sink DW-Link patent is expiring this month, maybe...
I see the resemblance to DW6 with the short links--but it had a horst pivot on the chainstay.
Sink DW-Link patent is expiring this month, maybe that would explain someone is combining the DW6 linkage with a horst pivot for their next bike...
Also, if it is DW6, is that under the same patent as the original DW-Link that is expiring or is that a newer patent..(?) I assume it's the same but a mod of it.
The DW6 includes a Horst Link. Case in the Atherton bikes:
slimshady wrote:
"The DW6 includes a Horst Link. Case in the Atherton bikes:"
Ahhh, OK, yes,should have checked the horst on Atherton! .... But this definitely is not an Atherton bike, so someone else employing this design in the package I mocked up.
Could really be anyone considering the DW patent is up.
Did Trek let slip of a new Fox shock in their press blurb about the new slash.
Re: Shock fitment, mentions " Fox Live Valve NEO"
If you watch the Fox Dialed with the bike checks, they actually say the name a few times. Taj also said the name of a new fork dampener that's supposed to come out in 2024. Had it written down somewhere and already lost it. Watch Taj's bike check at the beginning to get the name
slimshady wrote:
"The DW6 includes a Horst Link. Case in the Atherton bikes:"
Ahhh, OK, yes,should have checked the horst on Atherton! .... But this definitely...
slimshady wrote:
"The DW6 includes a Horst Link. Case in the Atherton bikes:"
Ahhh, OK, yes,should have checked the horst on Atherton! .... But this definitely is not an Atherton bike, so someone else employing this design in the package I mocked up.
Could really be anyone considering the DW patent is up.
Not really. The original DW-Link patent is expiring, the suspension layout used in the Atherton bikes is covered under a different patent. That's why the system is called DW6 and not DW-Link.
What is it about the seat angle and head angle you wouldn't call "modern"? If the HA was over 65 degrees I would agree but its 64 which is spot on IMO, going slacker than that would bring more drawbacks than anything. Proportionally sized chainstays are a nice to have but logistically difficult, and are still pretty rare.
Kinematics are far from the most difficult I've seen, its pretty high but up to around 110kg is not a problem and as long as the spring is appropriate they will work really well, unlike other challenging bikes which have more compromise between grip and bottoming resistance. I think its one of those bikes that people overthink set up for and either try to source excessively high spring rates or run lots of tokens in their air shock, and both end up pretty awful.
Where did you hear that Evil may be going out of business? This is the first I've heard of such a rumor.
Seems strange since they’ve got a post on their Instagram from a week ago stating they are looking for people to hire…
Woah woah woah what’s this talk about evil going under?
For what it's worth, people spotted a few Evil vans testing prototypes at a badass trail near Leavenworth, WA a couple of weeks ago. What the hell would I know, But that doesn't seem like a company that is dissolving.
It was worse in X wing version, 57 stroke shortened from 63 for 170mm! it rode pretty well though even with my 105kg weight
Someone confusing Evil with GG?
Yeah maybe theyre doing okay now. But I heard from someone on the inside that things were getting pretty grim for them. Or they were already absorbed by another company and deals are still being finalized and support has already been established. Id be surprised if they did dissolve, but as far as I knew 6 months ago, this person made it sound like this year may be their last. Seeing their deals they randomly put out, made me think they were not blowing smoke.
As far as that posting goes for new people, its not too uncommon for large companies to “search” for people but never hire. Keeps moral of overworked employees stable, and costs low for some time. Again, this is all just possible rumors.
If they did dissolve or get bought out, I hope the DeltaLink does not disappear.
Slash officially on Trek's site https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/mountain-bikes/trail-mountain-…
Including AL frame
Seems like a lot of rider's on the Maven brakes lately, not trying to hide them anymore. Hopefully releasing soon!
The 9.8 in NZ has gone up by $2600... thats just dumb, they cant even sell the current 9.8 with heavy discounts lol
Can someone confirm old full price of the gen 5 8 vs gen 6 8 in USD?
The Slash 8 Gen 6 has gained a full kilo over the Gen 5 despite the Zeb being replaced with a 36.
Couple on the Ozzie site also, not sure whos going to spend 19.5k on one
XX on an enduro sled, I thought it was meant to be the lightweight XC groupset?
That's the SL.
Effective seat angle is nothing to write home about but relatively close to modern bikes, but actual seat angle is slack in absolute terms and for riders who use S4 and 5 sizes puts them way back. Head angle is slacker than recent sj Evo and previous sj Evo. If they offered the same adjustment range or a little slacker (let's say 63.5 +- 0.5) it would work for wider range of situations and riders. And kinematics are good for specialized as what they used to produce before was questionable to say the least just going against the grain for the sake of it. Straight leverage curve is great, if it was from 3-2.2 or so, it would be better still and would work for almost anyone and with more reasonable spring rates, (not needing 600lb spring for 95kg guy etc). And adjustable chainstays are not that hard to implement if you don't want to use same principle as Norco forbidden etc with different front triangles( that you have to make anyway )for some reason.
Looks like it can be run as a full 29er, you must purchase an aftermarket shock link/mount though.
Confirmed Guerilla Gravity is shutting down. A friend of mine just got this email from them this week.
Hurts man, right in the chest. I loved that brand. I steered several of my mates towards them, and they loved how they rode.
Lets not forget GG is a startup with funding rounds so there might be some other issues happening beside Covid / Current market crisis.
Did Trek let slip of a new Fox shock in their press blurb about the new slash.
Re: Shock fitment, mentions " Fox Live Valve NEO"
So I'm in possession of an image friend sent me of a possible new frame design. I'm not posting the photo as I didn't get permission to post it so I mocked up the linkage (links, pivot points) of the new frame. I used a Trek rear end to make the mock-up easier (the rocker on this bike does look a little different than the Trek on in this image above. The pivot points in this mock-up are pretty accurate to the photo. 2 short links, horst pivot. Looks like something I've seen before, but can't pinpoint it. This bike was spotted in the PNW, but not sure that means anything. Looks to be a trail to enduro bike. Probably 140-160mm range based on shock size and stout looking frame.
It's a DW6.
I see the resemblance to DW6 with the short links--but it had a horst pivot on the chainstay.
Sink DW-Link patent is expiring this month, maybe that would explain someone is combining the DW6 linkage with a horst pivot for their next bike...
Also, if it is DW6, is that under the same patent as the original DW-Link that is expiring or is that a newer patent..(?) I assume it's the same but a mod of it.
DW6 has a pivot on the chainstay. Go check an Atherton
The DW6 includes a Horst Link. Case in the Atherton bikes:
slimshady wrote:
"The DW6 includes a Horst Link. Case in the Atherton bikes:"
Ahhh, OK, yes,should have checked the horst on Atherton! .... But this definitely is not an Atherton bike, so someone else employing this design in the package I mocked up.
Could really be anyone considering the DW patent is up.
If you watch the Fox Dialed with the bike checks, they actually say the name a few times. Taj also said the name of a new fork dampener that's supposed to come out in 2024. Had it written down somewhere and already lost it. Watch Taj's bike check at the beginning to get the name
Not really. The original DW-Link patent is expiring, the suspension layout used in the Atherton bikes is covered under a different patent. That's why the system is called DW6 and not DW-Link.