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7/24/2023 4:53am
All of the Vivids so far look to have been using piggyback assemblies that were originally lockout capable. Jack's and Vali's in particular. Pisses me off...

All of the Vivids so far look to have been using piggyback assemblies that were originally lockout capable. Jack's and Vali's in particular.

Pisses me off that RS decided that I don't deserve a lockout lever because I run a 250x70 shock on 2023 SDUs. I hope I get the option here.

Try to source the different piggy bag assy(11.4118.008.003), any qualified suspension workshop should be able to get the work done. 
 

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7/24/2023 6:00am

IMG 7875

 

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IMG 7875

 

Privateer 161 proto, the other site had a quick write up about it yesterday

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7/24/2023 7:34am
bizutch wrote:
Should NOT post pics from PB.  They literally rip off Vital all the time.  If people want to search and find their content on their own...

Should NOT post pics from PB.  They literally rip off Vital all the time.  If people want to search and find their content on their own... fine.  But don't reward those pricks with a direct link on the Vital site.  Done nothing to earn it.

Big Bird wrote:

Does the pink site even still exist? I thought they got bought and shut down months ago? Why do we even still mention them? 

hah...the fan boi's hit you with the thumbs down.  Little do they know...it won't hide your comment.  And to their dismay...you can even delete your comment and/or turn off notifications for this post if you want to move on to other things in life.  Your comments aren't locked for eternity for some zit faced Euro kid to get offended and re-awaken the hate in 3 years.

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7/24/2023 7:38am
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Interesting little chain guide on Mick’s bike, presumably for HP chain slap.   Lower roller looks the same as the new slash, anyone knows who makes...

Interesting little chain guide on Mick’s bike, presumably for HP chain slap.

 

Lower roller looks the same as the new slash, anyone knows who makes it ?32EC65DC-EF11-44A6-A826-652BA4046F43

 

chriskief wrote:

Geez...so many links in a single skinny chain.
I'd be wanting corporate to put a 9 speed on my bike just for my mental health.

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7/24/2023 8:12am
Poleczechy wrote:

100% the new 161. That's Fergus Ryan's bike, he's a Privateer team rider and currently in Whistler. 

yup, it's a Privateer. Joe Connell just won ArdRock on one https://www.pinkbike.com/photo/25211161/  

yup, it's a Privateer. Joe Connell just won ArdRock on one https://www.pinkbike.com/photo/25211161/p5pb25211161.jpg?VersionId=nftC6

 

bizutch wrote:
Should NOT post pics from PB.  They literally rip off Vital all the time.  If people want to search and find their content on their own...

Should NOT post pics from PB.  They literally rip off Vital all the time.  If people want to search and find their content on their own... fine.  But don't reward those pricks with a direct link on the Vital site.  Done nothing to earn it.

Go easy boss, its just a bunch of non-sense mountain cycle stuff.

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7/24/2023 8:17am
Primoz wrote:
I can relate. Wouldn't notice the joke of I hadn't zoomed in to see if it says mineral oil only to do a double take at...

I can relate. Wouldn't notice the joke of I hadn't zoomed in to see if it says mineral oil only to do a double take at what it says 😂

Pretty sure this paves the way for the Optic to be a HP idler trail bike, similar to the new Druid.

 

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-look-norcos-new-carbon-fluid.html

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7/24/2023 10:25am
yup, it's a Privateer. Joe Connell just won ArdRock on one https://www.pinkbike.com/photo/25211161/  

yup, it's a Privateer. Joe Connell just won ArdRock on one https://www.pinkbike.com/photo/25211161/p5pb25211161.jpg?VersionId=nftC6

 

bizutch wrote:
Should NOT post pics from PB.  They literally rip off Vital all the time.  If people want to search and find their content on their own...

Should NOT post pics from PB.  They literally rip off Vital all the time.  If people want to search and find their content on their own... fine.  But don't reward those pricks with a direct link on the Vital site.  Done nothing to earn it.

Onawalk wrote:

Go easy boss, its just a bunch of non-sense mountain cycle stuff.

considering Spomer started the site from scratch, is a great dude who literally does no one harm...and constantly gets his content ideas stolen/replicated/etc ripped off by that specific site...not so much nonsense.  Guy is trying to feed a family.  

And the dude that owned PB before it got sold was totally OK with the intellectual property theft from day 1. Bikes are fun. Doesn't mean you can be a cutthroat douchebag to the people who love them.

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7/24/2023 11:03am
From the other site. Someone at Sram is having a chuckle ;)  

From the other site. Someone at Sram is having a chuckle Wink

p6pb25208951

 

I hope sram replaces the "Black Box" moniker used on all their prototype or unreleased stuff with "Don't post to Vital". 

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7/24/2023 11:57am
All of the Vivids so far look to have been using piggyback assemblies that were originally lockout capable. Jack's and Vali's in particular. Pisses me off...

All of the Vivids so far look to have been using piggyback assemblies that were originally lockout capable. Jack's and Vali's in particular.

Pisses me off that RS decided that I don't deserve a lockout lever because I run a 250x70 shock on 2023 SDUs. I hope I get the option here.

Try to source the different piggy bag assy(11.4118.008.003), any qualified suspension workshop should be able to get the work done. 
 

Going off RRPs, that's a $241 upgrade on a $500 shock, (not to mention the workshop time). Sure it's small beans to most decent shocks out there, but I don't like having the decision made for me.

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7/24/2023 1:41pm
Going off RRPs, that's a $241 upgrade on a $500 shock, (not to mention the workshop time). Sure it's small beans to most decent shocks out...

Going off RRPs, that's a $241 upgrade on a $500 shock, (not to mention the workshop time). Sure it's small beans to most decent shocks out there, but I don't like having the decision made for me.

Street price in Germany is about 133€ compared to RRP 261€. 
Workshop time shouldn‘t be too bad since its a easy swap during service, which you need to do anyway at some point. 
A 250*7x shock is a DH shock most of the time. If you need special products you sometimes have to go a special way, I would say.

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It would be nice to be able to spec a shock with all the details. Getting bearing mount aftermarket shocks is a pain in the ass, different damper tunes are a problem (without a rebuild), etc. 

Getting a shock for a less known frame can be quite a challenge if it falls outside the 'standard' requirements of medium tune and standard eyelets... 

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7/25/2023 4:10am
Poleczechy wrote:

100% the new 161. That's Fergus Ryan's bike, he's a Privateer team rider and currently in Whistler. 

yup, it's a Privateer. Joe Connell just won ArdRock on one https://www.pinkbike.com/photo/25211161/  

yup, it's a Privateer. Joe Connell just won ArdRock on one https://www.pinkbike.com/photo/25211161/p5pb25211161.jpg?VersionId=nftC6

 

bizutch wrote:
Should NOT post pics from PB.  They literally rip off Vital all the time.  If people want to search and find their content on their own...

Should NOT post pics from PB.  They literally rip off Vital all the time.  If people want to search and find their content on their own... fine.  But don't reward those pricks with a direct link on the Vital site.  Done nothing to earn it.

Dude calm down. It's all just bikes. Most of us will probably look at the content on boths sites anyways.

Besides, even vital mtb staff occasionally reposts PB photos here.

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7/25/2023 4:13am
bizutch wrote:
Should NOT post pics from PB.  They literally rip off Vital all the time.  If people want to search and find their content on their own...

Should NOT post pics from PB.  They literally rip off Vital all the time.  If people want to search and find their content on their own... fine.  But don't reward those pricks with a direct link on the Vital site.  Done nothing to earn it.

Big Bird wrote:

Does the pink site even still exist? I thought they got bought and shut down months ago? Why do we even still mention them? 

To be fair, the Outside buyout enabled them to hire Ben Cathro and a bunch of other pro racers and eventually set up a full-time pro-level racing team, which is possibly the coolest thing any MTB media has done in the last couple of years.

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7/25/2023 6:58am
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To be fair, the Outside buyout enabled them to hire Ben Cathro and a bunch of other pro racers and eventually set up a full-time pro-level...

To be fair, the Outside buyout enabled them to hire Ben Cathro and a bunch of other pro racers and eventually set up a full-time pro-level racing team, which is possibly the coolest thing any MTB media has done in the last couple of years.

But on the flipside they have disappeared Levy........

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7/25/2023 7:25am

Exclusive first look for the Vital forum, we’re spending a couple of days with Fast Suspension, checking out the factory and testing the latest and greatest - including an all-new fork! Full report will follow of course, but here are a couple of shots for you in the meantime:

IMG 6115

IMG 6126

 

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7/25/2023 7:55am
iceman2058 wrote:
Exclusive first look for the Vital forum, we’re spending a couple of days with Fast Suspension, checking out the factory and testing the latest and greatest...

Exclusive first look for the Vital forum, we’re spending a couple of days with Fast Suspension, checking out the factory and testing the latest and greatest - including an all-new fork! Full report will follow of course, but here are a couple of shots for you in the meantime:

IMG 6115

IMG 6126

 

Is this fork compatible with slow riders?

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7/25/2023 10:29am
iceman2058 wrote:
Exclusive first look for the Vital forum, we’re spending a couple of days with Fast Suspension, checking out the factory and testing the latest and greatest...

Exclusive first look for the Vital forum, we’re spending a couple of days with Fast Suspension, checking out the factory and testing the latest and greatest - including an all-new fork! Full report will follow of course, but here are a couple of shots for you in the meantime:

IMG 6115

IMG 6126

 

Is this fork compatible with slow riders?

if you have to ask you are not the target audience

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7/25/2023 12:00pm
sspomer wrote:

you vital super sleuths have just won the MTB tech rumors world championships with this bolt. Don't Post to Vital t-shirts coming soon.

gibbon wrote:

Can you get some 'Have you seen Levy?' T-shirts made while you're at it?

Pretty sure he's in some murky Vancouver coffee shop doing spoken word poetry about lycra and Mini Coopers.

Or he secretly works for Vital now... Silly

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7/25/2023 12:02pm
gibbon wrote:

Can you get some 'Have you seen Levy?' T-shirts made while you're at it?

Pretty sure he's in some murky Vancouver coffee shop doing spoken word poetry about lycra and Mini Coopers.

Or he secretly works for Vital now... 

Or he secretly works for Vital now... Silly

This is tech rumors not team rumors

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7/25/2023 8:11pm
gibbon wrote:

Can you get some 'Have you seen Levy?' T-shirts made while you're at it?

Pretty sure he's in some murky Vancouver coffee shop doing spoken word poetry about lycra and Mini Coopers.

Or he secretly works for Vital now... 

Or he secretly works for Vital now... Silly

God let’s hope not. 

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7/26/2023 12:26am
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God let’s hope not. 

I'll never forget his review of a "Status 160" that was actually a 140mm bike.

He made all sorts of comments like how it felt harsh compared to other bikes with 160mm travel...

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7/26/2023 1:36am

guess we now know what's hidden on the proto downhill bikes?mondraker-neat 1

 

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7/26/2023 1:56am
raozaki wrote:
guess we now know what's hidden on the proto downhill bikes?  

guess we now know what's hidden on the proto downhill bikes?mondraker-neat 1

 

It was always going to be a more HP oriented dual link in my mind, but was curious to see if they were gonna go full 6-bar or not, but it doesn't look that way based on this bike at least. I must say it does look very clean and aesthetically pleasing though.

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7/26/2023 3:15am

IMG 0749

 Both Jesse Melamed and Rhys Verner on red Zebs 

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7/26/2023 5:21am Edited Date/Time 7/26/2023 5:33am
raozaki wrote:
guess we now know what's hidden on the proto downhill bikes?  

guess we now know what's hidden on the proto downhill bikes?mondraker-neat 1

 

Perhaps. The other end of the shock is attached to rear triangle instead of lower link, like their other bikes. That can only change the leverage ratio, not the wheel path, anti squat, or anti rise. Right? All of those things could be changed on the new version too, but fundamentally it's still a dual link bike. I'm not saying it's a trivial change, but it's not exactly massive or ground breaking. Seems hardly worth hiding with a cover? But the cover is probably half for marketing anyhow. I mean, with their sponsored racers practically openly hating on the prior dh bike (the one currently still for sale), I can't imagine many other bike companies are looking to copy mondraker's new homework. 

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7/26/2023 5:34am
raozaki wrote:
guess we now know what's hidden on the proto downhill bikes?  

guess we now know what's hidden on the proto downhill bikes?mondraker-neat 1

 

kcy4130 wrote:
Perhaps. The other end of the shock is attached to rear triangle instead of lower link, like their other bikes. That can only change the leverage...

Perhaps. The other end of the shock is attached to rear triangle instead of lower link, like their other bikes. That can only change the leverage ratio, not the wheel path, anti squat, or anti rise. Right? All of those things could be changed on the new version too, but fundamentally it's still a dual link bike. I'm not saying it's a trivial change, but it's not exactly massive or ground breaking. Seems hardly worth hiding with a cover? But the cover is probably half for marketing anyhow. I mean, with their sponsored racers practically openly hating on the prior dh bike (the one currently still for sale), I can't imagine many other bike companies are looking to copy mondraker's new homework. 

the lower link looks to have changed too, its more like a DW lower link now by the looks of it... shorter and flatter in orientation.

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7/26/2023 5:42am Edited Date/Time 7/26/2023 5:45am
raozaki wrote:
guess we now know what's hidden on the proto downhill bikes?  

guess we now know what's hidden on the proto downhill bikes?mondraker-neat 1

 

kcy4130 wrote:
Perhaps. The other end of the shock is attached to rear triangle instead of lower link, like their other bikes. That can only change the leverage...

Perhaps. The other end of the shock is attached to rear triangle instead of lower link, like their other bikes. That can only change the leverage ratio, not the wheel path, anti squat, or anti rise. Right? All of those things could be changed on the new version too, but fundamentally it's still a dual link bike. I'm not saying it's a trivial change, but it's not exactly massive or ground breaking. Seems hardly worth hiding with a cover? But the cover is probably half for marketing anyhow. I mean, with their sponsored racers practically openly hating on the prior dh bike (the one currently still for sale), I can't imagine many other bike companies are looking to copy mondraker's new homework. 

the lower link looks to have changed too, its more like a DW lower link now by the looks of it... shorter and flatter in orientation.

That bike shown is just a 150mm light e bike they released today. It's just speculation that the new dh bike might have the same suspension layout. Hopefully the cover is hiding something a bit more interesting than that. 

Edit: if you want a good laugh, have a read of their marketing spiel: https://mondraker.com/nc/en/zero-suspension-system

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7/26/2023 7:08am

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 New Carbon rims from i9!

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7/26/2023 8:37am
kcy4130 wrote:
That bike shown is just a 150mm light e bike they released today. It's just speculation that the new dh bike might have the same suspension...

That bike shown is just a 150mm light e bike they released today. It's just speculation that the new dh bike might have the same suspension layout. Hopefully the cover is hiding something a bit more interesting than that. 

Edit: if you want a good laugh, have a read of their marketing spiel: https://mondraker.com/nc/en/zero-suspension-system

I love the perfect pedal efficiency as well as zero kickback. Can't get any better than that, but with high AS number, high pedal kick figures and no iddler it doesn't get more BS than that. Some could argue this is misleading advertising.

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