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dolface
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4/7/2023 6:13am
crgcrmny wrote:
Looks like Headset routing for the new Meta..  

Looks like Headset routing for the new Meta..A6AB8B69-50ED-4CA8-83D5-0302304ECD0A

 

It’s not Meta. It’s Tempo

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 Screenshot 2023-04-07 at 6.09.14 AM

 

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4/7/2023 6:37am
Vorsprung Shock?  

Vorsprung Shock?

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Yup, Steve pretty much talks openly about it in the comments.

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4/7/2023 7:33am
Ayme64 wrote:

Dude the ACROSS headset lasted like 3 rides for me.  Imagine, 3 rides and you have to disconnect, brake, transmission, seatpost

They won't sell you the 1.8 lower bearing seperately over here. Only the lower cup assembly for £80 (there are ways around this)

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4/7/2023 8:54am
kcy4130 wrote:
Wolftooth does a direct mount bash ring that has a spider for their chainring. CAMO is term. You have to buy bash guard and chainring. Looks...

Wolftooth does a direct mount bash ring that has a spider for their chainring. CAMO is term. You have to buy bash guard and chainring. Looks quality, but I haven't used it or any wolftooth chainrings so I can't say for sure. Lots cheaper than a whole new drivetrain.

https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/collections/camo/products/camo-bash…

Can attest to Wolftooth making quality chainrings, 2 seasons on one with minimal wear so far. Camo bash looks pretty slick imo, might have to spring for it

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4/7/2023 12:19pm Edited Date/Time 4/7/2023 12:24pm

Anyone know anything about this BrakeAce thingamajig on Sam’s Crestline?

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 Nevermind, found this: https://bikerumor.com/brakeace-brake-sensors/

Ps. Not affiliated in any way, just curious as to what it is

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4/7/2023 1:31pm
Anyone know anything about this BrakeAce thingamajig on Sam’s Crestline?  Nevermind, found this: https://bikerumor.com/brakeace-brake-sensors/ Ps. Not affiliated in any way, just curious as to what it is

Anyone know anything about this BrakeAce thingamajig on Sam’s Crestline?

8E6C42F9-02BF-4100-8391-651EC613E443.jpeg?VersionId=jm7bHDPVsE0aoFjtQU0j.lT0ySed1X

 Nevermind, found this: https://bikerumor.com/brakeace-brake-sensors/

Ps. Not affiliated in any way, just curious as to what it is

4/7/2023 2:06pm

Screenshot 20230407-230558

 New Bike from Revel? 

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 New Bike from Revel? 

Screenshot 20230407-230558

 New Bike from Revel? 

Wouldn't surprise me if they update the geo on the Rascal.

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4/7/2023 3:13pm

Can we talk about how this sport has completely jumped the shark for a second? Screenshot 20230407-170938.png?VersionId=cBBYby.mh

 

OEM parts is $4. This doesn't even come in blingy colors. 

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4/7/2023 3:19pm
readochris wrote:
Has anyone seen any Rockshox athletes running flight attendant on their bikes? I haven’t been able to spot any from my casual peruse of the footage...

Has anyone seen any Rockshox athletes running flight attendant on their bikes? I haven’t been able to spot any from my casual peruse of the footage from the first 2 EDRs. 

I remember Charlie Murray (NZ) was running flight attendant last year after it got released but don’t know for how long that lasted

Yeh that’s right. I’ve been seeing over the summer (our southern summer) that he hasn’t had it on and obviously not on any other athletes it seems this season. Just curious as it seemed targeted as a racing product but the top racers don’t seem to be running it. 

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4/7/2023 4:41pm
Can we talk about how this sport has completely jumped the shark for a second?    OEM parts is $4. This doesn't even come in blingy...

Can we talk about how this sport has completely jumped the shark for a second? Screenshot 20230407-170938.png?VersionId=cBBYby.mh

 

OEM parts is $4. This doesn't even come in blingy colors. 

Maybe the most absurd thing I've ever seen. I'm not against small batch, boutique parts, but anyone spending that money on something so frivilous needs to be audited and forced into buying food for the needy or something. 

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4/7/2023 9:53pm
Can we talk about how this sport has completely jumped the shark for a second?    OEM parts is $4. This doesn't even come in blingy...

Can we talk about how this sport has completely jumped the shark for a second? Screenshot 20230407-170938.png?VersionId=cBBYby.mh

 

OEM parts is $4. This doesn't even come in blingy colors. 

Maybe the most absurd thing I've ever seen. I'm not against small batch, boutique parts, but anyone spending that money on something so frivilous needs to...

Maybe the most absurd thing I've ever seen. I'm not against small batch, boutique parts, but anyone spending that money on something so frivilous needs to be audited and forced into buying food for the needy or something. 

And you know some bloated consultant that rides 8 hours a year is going to buy it and crush his bottom bracket torquing it on with the longest wrench he can find. 

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4/7/2023 11:08pm
crgcrmny wrote:
Looks like Headset routing for the new Meta..  

Looks like Headset routing for the new Meta..A6AB8B69-50ED-4CA8-83D5-0302304ECD0A

 

Screenshot 20230408-160417

 Screenshot 20230408-160442.jpg?VersionId=3UdhqcQr

 Old news and still probably in prototype phase but this even says META 2023 on top tube.

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4/8/2023 5:05am
 New Bike from Revel? 

Screenshot 20230407-230558

 New Bike from Revel? 

Losifer wrote:

Wouldn't surprise me if they update the geo on the Rascal.

Rascal is due for an update but fwiw a dealer told me it's an updated Ranger...

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dolface
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4/8/2023 5:08am
crgcrmny wrote:
Looks like Headset routing for the new Meta..  

Looks like Headset routing for the new Meta..A6AB8B69-50ED-4CA8-83D5-0302304ECD0A

 

Dev_Konors wrote:
   Old news and still probably in prototype phase but this even says META 2023 on top tube.

Screenshot 20230408-160417

 Screenshot 20230408-160442.jpg?VersionId=3UdhqcQr

 Old news and still probably in prototype phase but this even says META 2023 on top tube.

Both versions have been seen, the screen caps of Killian Bron's Meta I posted up-thread show headset routing...

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4/8/2023 6:35am
Can we talk about how this sport has completely jumped the shark for a second?    OEM parts is $4. This doesn't even come in blingy...

Can we talk about how this sport has completely jumped the shark for a second? Screenshot 20230407-170938.png?VersionId=cBBYby.mh

 

OEM parts is $4. This doesn't even come in blingy colors. 

Why anyone would buy that at that price is completely beyond me. Ceramicspeed can get f’d, burgtec makes the same product, in a variety of colors (and are a way cooler company) for $10.

https://burgtec.co.uk/product/shimano-crank-bolt/#

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4/8/2023 8:12am Edited Date/Time 4/8/2023 9:31am
crgcrmny wrote:
Looks like Headset routing for the new Meta..  

Looks like Headset routing for the new Meta..A6AB8B69-50ED-4CA8-83D5-0302304ECD0A

 

Dev_Konors wrote:
   Old news and still probably in prototype phase but this even says META 2023 on top tube.

Screenshot 20230408-160417

 Screenshot 20230408-160442.jpg?VersionId=3UdhqcQr

 Old news and still probably in prototype phase but this even says META 2023 on top tube.

dolface wrote:

Both versions have been seen, the screen caps of Killian Bron's Meta I posted up-thread show headset routing...

I believe he's riding a tempo in that screenshot, forget where I saw it be he was remarking how good the short travel bike was on aggressive trails.

4/8/2023 11:29am
crgcrmny wrote:
Looks like Headset routing for the new Meta..  

Looks like Headset routing for the new Meta..A6AB8B69-50ED-4CA8-83D5-0302304ECD0A

 

Dev_Konors wrote:
   Old news and still probably in prototype phase but this even says META 2023 on top tube.

Screenshot 20230408-160417

 Screenshot 20230408-160442.jpg?VersionId=3UdhqcQr

 Old news and still probably in prototype phase but this even says META 2023 on top tube.

There are two Commencal Teams racing EDR Worldcup, the Enduro Project Team is still on last years prototype with TRP Components and normal cable routing. The second team, Commencal les Orres, seams to be on new Frames with new Sram stuff and headset cable routing. There is a bike check on insta that clearly shows the new Frame.

 

Screenshot 20230408-201554 Firefox.jpg?VersionId=cN

I'm quiet sure that this will be the production frame.

For me the meta V5 is one of the most interesting new bikes of the year, but I'm not sure if I want a bike with headset cable routing, because I want a normal dropperpost and a normal shimano drive train.

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4/8/2023 11:17pm
There are two Commencal Teams racing EDR Worldcup, the Enduro Project Team is still on last years prototype with TRP Components and normal cable routing. The...

There are two Commencal Teams racing EDR Worldcup, the Enduro Project Team is still on last years prototype with TRP Components and normal cable routing. The second team, Commencal les Orres, seams to be on new Frames with new Sram stuff and headset cable routing. There is a bike check on insta that clearly shows the new Frame.

 

Screenshot 20230408-201554 Firefox.jpg?VersionId=cN

I'm quiet sure that this will be the production frame.

For me the meta V5 is one of the most interesting new bikes of the year, but I'm not sure if I want a bike with headset cable routing, because I want a normal dropperpost and a normal shimano drive train.

You wont need to worry about the headset routing as The shop will deal with it when they replaced the cracked frame

note: ive broken 3 commencals in a year.

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4/9/2023 1:47am
There are two Commencal Teams racing EDR Worldcup, the Enduro Project Team is still on last years prototype with TRP Components and normal cable routing. The...

There are two Commencal Teams racing EDR Worldcup, the Enduro Project Team is still on last years prototype with TRP Components and normal cable routing. The second team, Commencal les Orres, seams to be on new Frames with new Sram stuff and headset cable routing. There is a bike check on insta that clearly shows the new Frame.

 

Screenshot 20230408-201554 Firefox.jpg?VersionId=cN

I'm quiet sure that this will be the production frame.

For me the meta V5 is one of the most interesting new bikes of the year, but I'm not sure if I want a bike with headset cable routing, because I want a normal dropperpost and a normal shimano drive train.

You wont need to worry about the headset routing as The shop will deal with it when they replaced the cracked frame note: ive broken 3...

You wont need to worry about the headset routing as The shop will deal with it when they replaced the cracked frame

note: ive broken 3 commencals in a year.

Is the quality of the frames so bad? I have never owned a commencal bike and non of my friends owns one, so I have no comparison. All of their frames appear to be quite burly and overbuild. I know that a lot of old supreme frames failed, but is this also the case in the meta range?

4/9/2023 6:56am
There are two Commencal Teams racing EDR Worldcup, the Enduro Project Team is still on last years prototype with TRP Components and normal cable routing. The...

There are two Commencal Teams racing EDR Worldcup, the Enduro Project Team is still on last years prototype with TRP Components and normal cable routing. The second team, Commencal les Orres, seams to be on new Frames with new Sram stuff and headset cable routing. There is a bike check on insta that clearly shows the new Frame.

 

Screenshot 20230408-201554 Firefox.jpg?VersionId=cN

I'm quiet sure that this will be the production frame.

For me the meta V5 is one of the most interesting new bikes of the year, but I'm not sure if I want a bike with headset cable routing, because I want a normal dropperpost and a normal shimano drive train.

You wont need to worry about the headset routing as The shop will deal with it when they replaced the cracked frame note: ive broken 3...

You wont need to worry about the headset routing as The shop will deal with it when they replaced the cracked frame

note: ive broken 3 commencals in a year.

Is the quality of the frames so bad? I have never owned a commencal bike and non of my friends owns one, so I have no...

Is the quality of the frames so bad? I have never owned a commencal bike and non of my friends owns one, so I have no comparison. All of their frames appear to be quite burly and overbuild. I know that a lot of old supreme frames failed, but is this also the case in the meta range?

I know a lot of people with great Commencal frames. I had a supreme with no issues and  Currently riding the new V5 supreme also.

I’m not sure if they are “overbuilt”, it depends what you are comparing them to?

4/9/2023 6:59am

I’m looking at a Meta SX, any known issues there? Never had issue with my Meta AM. 

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Anyone heard anything about new Fox stuff coming to market? They've got the RAD electronic shock in active development and new fork damper they were testing a while back. GRIP2 is ~5 years old and probably due for a refresh...

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4/9/2023 2:19pm
dolface wrote:
Anyone heard anything about new Fox stuff coming to market? They've got the RAD electronic shock in active development and new fork damper they were testing...

Anyone heard anything about new Fox stuff coming to market? They've got the RAD electronic shock in active development and new fork damper they were testing a while back. GRIP2 is ~5 years old and probably due for a refresh...

GRIP 2 IS 5 YEARS OLD??!?!?!?

Damn i'm getting old

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4/9/2023 3:17pm
Is the quality of the frames so bad? I have never owned a commencal bike and non of my friends owns one, so I have no...

Is the quality of the frames so bad? I have never owned a commencal bike and non of my friends owns one, so I have no comparison. All of their frames appear to be quite burly and overbuild. I know that a lot of old supreme frames failed, but is this also the case in the meta range?

I cracked 2 2022 META TR's at the top/front shock mount
snapped an SX on the chainstay... same as this(not mine)I snapped my Meta SX : commencal (reddit.com)

4/9/2023 3:23pm
sspomer wrote:
from the transmission PDF - "This chainring uses our T-Type design and is backwards compatible with Eagle technology (X-SYNC II)." BUT, this is only described on...

from the transmission PDF - "This chainring uses our T-Type design and is backwards compatible with Eagle technology (X-SYNC II)."

BUT, this is only described on an e-bike chainring page. it is not mentioned on other product pages in the PDF.

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Had a chat with a sram guy and he cleared this up for me - big issue with running new chainring and crankset with old eagle cassette is suboptimal chain line, the new chain is also not advised with the original eagle because the oversized roller will wear out the o.g. Eagle significantly quicker.

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4/9/2023 11:10pm
Sir HC wrote:
katana wrote:
Maybe something like this, on the shop side there’s a bicycle section without products. The site is supremetechnology.eu .   

Maybe something like this, on the shop side there’s a bicycle section without products. The site is supremetechnology.eu . 61D6AF20-3651-4E5C-84B2-42D4610A8AF1

 

There’s a good thread on VitalMX about interters. https://countershox.com/2022/02/11/how-does-countershox-work/
 

some guys said they bought them and will test. I wonder if the product would work better or less noticeable on a lighter mountain bike?

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The Fox GRIP2 damper looks 5 years old, but it got a pretty important update that flew under the radar when they did the VVC adjuster inside the damper 3 years ago. Unfortunately, the knobs on the outside look the same so you can't tell it's different, but it's a pretty clever invention that allows them to fine tune their high speed rebound and compression shims in place on the damper rod without preloading them. The original GRIP2 damper (and lots of other fork dampers in lots of other brands) use the high speed knobs (on compression or rebound) to adjust preload on shims. This achieves the goal of increasing damping force through those shims but it doesn't do so evenly across the speed range, creating a digressive damper tune for heavier riders. Digressive means lots of damping force until you overcome the preload, then it blows wide open. Not ideal, but a pretty common way to deliver adjustable high speed damping for customers that doesn't require taking apart the damper and installing rider-specific shim stacks.

The VVC damper doesn't preload the shims, it actually changes their spring rate via a knob, which allows heavier riders to run more high speed damping AND have it more consistent across various shaft speeds. Think of preloading a coil spring versus changing coil springs- one is much more effective at tuning spring rate than the other. I haven't ridden one, but I love the thinking, and I don't know of another damper that can do what the VVC adjusters do. If you're curious, there's a pretty good video from Fox explaining how they work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krLP9cawQAA

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4/10/2023 4:29am
TEAMROBOT wrote:
The Fox GRIP2 damper looks 5 years old, but it got a pretty important update that flew under the radar when they did the VVC adjuster...

The Fox GRIP2 damper looks 5 years old, but it got a pretty important update that flew under the radar when they did the VVC adjuster inside the damper 3 years ago. Unfortunately, the knobs on the outside look the same so you can't tell it's different, but it's a pretty clever invention that allows them to fine tune their high speed rebound and compression shims in place on the damper rod without preloading them. The original GRIP2 damper (and lots of other fork dampers in lots of other brands) use the high speed knobs (on compression or rebound) to adjust preload on shims. This achieves the goal of increasing damping force through those shims but it doesn't do so evenly across the speed range, creating a digressive damper tune for heavier riders. Digressive means lots of damping force until you overcome the preload, then it blows wide open. Not ideal, but a pretty common way to deliver adjustable high speed damping for customers that doesn't require taking apart the damper and installing rider-specific shim stacks.

The VVC damper doesn't preload the shims, it actually changes their spring rate via a knob, which allows heavier riders to run more high speed damping AND have it more consistent across various shaft speeds. Think of preloading a coil spring versus changing coil springs- one is much more effective at tuning spring rate than the other. I haven't ridden one, but I love the thinking, and I don't know of another damper that can do what the VVC adjusters do. If you're curious, there's a pretty good video from Fox explaining how they work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krLP9cawQAA

It works great, at least on paper. Sadly, all the parts that are stacked in vvc mechanism have to be made to tighter tolerances than fox is capable of doing, so in real world the leading shim either has preload(at least in this case it has tuning range)or float(in which case high speed adjuster does next to nothing and overall damping is also very soft. If some really high end manufacturer like ext of bos came up with this mechanism I would believe they are capable of keeping the tolerances tight enough, but with fox? Forget it, only hight end thing about fox is their marketing. Oh, and prices lol.

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