MTB Tech Rumors and Innovation

I was really interested about the process from the trinity bike, and it would be THE next bike for me, primarily as a dh taking the spot from my supreme. 
Yes you can put a single Crown, different shock stroke and long dropper in there and have an enduro bike. 
But that price is a little too hefty for me but I can totally comprehend that

Saw a picture of the XO groupset at a shop. The cassette appears to have 11 steel cogs and 1 alloy one. The steel is uncolored just like the 11 speed xdome cassettes. The alloy cogs uses the split black and silver design as XX leaks. The derailleur body is same as the XX derailleur except it has a silver alloy inner and outer cage.

Same, I love what they are doing at Trinity and big fan of WRP but I couldn’t wrap my head around that price.  I really wanted to try the steel front end along with the CNC rear end. I really enjoy trying frames, buying and selling but at $6k there’s no way it would hold any resale value. I hope they get some buyers, I’d be stoked to see them at the bike park.

I guess it's just the same as with cars. Each iteration is getting bigger, which then leads to the introduction of new smaller models that slot in "below" the original. 

I meant dh-standart for the BB as in 83mm wide, dh-standard for the hub cause it’s superboost 12x157. Dh bike cause a 225 shock gives 200mm of travel, and then there’s another mounting point on the frame for a 205 shock to get 170mm - for enduro. The geo suits both types of riding. The part with the interchangable BB - yeah, that’s interesting, their prototype idea looks pretty neat and interesting, would be cool if it is a better option to standard drivetrains and gearboxes. I also agree it’s very expensive - the Trinity is exactly what i would look in a new frame, you might say it’s my perfect frame, but it is expensive. And yet again, an Actofive frame (the new model for 2023) is the same money, previous one was, i think, close to this amount as well - so there’s a market for such models.  

 new phoenix incoming? BK specifically asked for the bike not to be shown - didnt he also give away Martini?
This is just recent from Cardrona NZ.

Could it be that gorgeous lugged carbon beast they're testing (pics a few pages back)?

Part of the embiggening of models has to be a better understanding of suspension kinematics and modern drivetrains that make big bikes more efficient. 
 

Sample size of one, but my current 170mm bike pedals at least as well as my previous 130mm bike.

Not to through shade on Trinity, but a lot of the cost will be from "wasted" devlopment time as well, you could see with their first few iterations that they were trying to reinvent the wheel a bit, as opposed to taking accepted and perfectly functional ideas and just implement it on their frame geometry (specifically about bearing seating and pivot hardware).

A great contrast is Neko used Transition bearing and pivot kits (collet style main pivot etc) as it saved him from making custom parts, and its a great robust solution that you can buy for cheap. Trinity didn't go this route, and you've seen small adjustments and changes along the way.

This is just one example, another is their headtube, since Reynolds don't make a steel head tube that is strong enough for DH riding (people try and they ovalize over time) it forces steel frame builders to mill a headtube from a round, much much more expensive than an aluminium version and more expensive comparatively than the carbon process.

I'm sure they have learnt valuble lessons from all their development and it will make an amazing bike, but their choice to do every from scratch from day 1 just is very expensive overall.

Nope he didn’t give away martini, just leant it to someone for nz national champs

Looks like there are some new wireless droppers being tested

https://esmtb.com/la-tija-telescopica-manual-sin-cable-que-usan-en-la-c…

That’s not a wireless dropper, that’s a toboggan dropper.  

To be fair it doesn’t have wires though 

A quick release seat collar is equally practical and infinitely cheaper

Regarding the 2023 Super Deluxe,

Disclaimer- I don't have dyno readings ;-)

I've had the good fortune of receiving support from Rockshox for my race team 'RaceKraft' which is a Jr Devo team. We have 6 bikes set up with the Super Deluxe Ultimate Coil. I'm a total shock nerd and have spent some time revalving these shocks for my riders. We've only had a couple of trips to the desert and to race Bootleg a few weeks ago.

First off, the architecture of these things is rad. It's pretty clear that durability was a major focus. The shock shaft and eyelet are made of one piece and it's a beautiful piece of kit. The corners under the bumper are all nicely radiused where shocks often fail. The bushing overlap must be double of virtually every other shock out there.The piston is shaped like a cup which moves the bushing up to the top of the stack, up by the HBO piston. This has to make them soo much more durable for so many of today's wonderful bicycles.

Next up, service and tuning is straightforward and requires minimal special tools. Rockshox has tune kits with 6 compression and 2 rebound stacks to choose from. From there a tuner could shuffle the shimz to their heart's desire.

Service Manual. https://www.sramconnect.com/globalassets/document-hierarchy/service-man…

Piston tuning guide- https://www.sramconnect.com/globalassets/document-hierarchy/tuning-manu…

We've had great luck so far with a couple different shim tunes for riders of varying size and bike model. They changed to 11mm shims on the compression side, but they're available out there.

They feel pretty supportive but with a glued ride that feels plush yet solid and fast rolling.

The disassembly is super straightforward and easy to bleed. Being that it's a SRAM product, I started hooking up a reverb syringe to the IFP bleed port to dial in the bleed and chase out bubbles. A tool I already had. A SRAM brake syringe is also compatible assuming it's never had dot fluid in it.

I think I read somewhere that with their 5 click LS adjust that one click is equivalent to a different tune. I'm not sure of that as we haven't had enough test time, but it's so nice that the "nominal" setting is 3/halfway out as Dave_ Camp described a few pages back. It seems like if a stack that allows the rider to stay in the middle and have a couple clicks in each direction to fine tune for tracks/bike park/mud then that's a user friendly system.

The HSC is a new and unusual system that I have not seen before but that doesn't mean it's never been done this way. The HSC, being completely separate from the stack in the resi, pressurizes the oil flow going to the stack like putting your thumb over the garden hose (champagne bottle?). This will force more shim stack flex which would kick in the HSC end of the stack. It seems to me that it would feel firmer throughout the stroke which would suggest LSC has  some blow off, but perhaps it is more perceptible on the HSC end of things? Maybe as the shaft speed increases the high speed damping increases a bunch. The stack isn't mechanically loaded like most HSC circuits. @Dave_Camp am I way off on this? The shimstack in the resi isn't accessible or tuneable as there is no information about disassembly or service of this part of the unit. 

Why wouldn't adjustable HBO always be a sweet feature? This shock still sports a large tapered bottom out bumper that seems to do the majority of the work. Why not have both for sending it?

It's kinda crazy that all of these features and quality come at a pretty reasonable price and are mass produced/specced out there.

Hit me up for questions and post any findings of your own out there.

Comparing to a DHX2, is the SD ultimate coil 2023 as good ? I am sure it's more reliable ( not hard) but in term of functioning 

Where did you find the Video?

30 mins with Mic Williams of WRP and Trinity. Brian Cahal and Mic go over the new bike. (tech rumor nerds get it first)

now on site - https://www.vitalmtb.com/community/sspomer/blog/03/06/2023/entry/96951 and in our podcast channel if you just want to listen, too

At the risk of sounding "boomer", I'm going to say that gearboxes are nowhere near ready for bicycles. (maybe shuttled downhill only?)

Anyone who has rebuilt any transmission, car / motorcycle / tractor, knows that the amount of unavoidable drag /resistance / friction /watt-sucking is shocking.

downvote me because you love Honda clickbait

The WRP and Honda gearboxes are/were literally just relocated derailleurs in a box… no extra drag. If you’re talking about pinion etc. then yes, sure

I truly don’t feel the additional drag in my pinion system. I ride to the trailhead (30 miles road). However I don’t love the grip shifter and I blew my main seal pretty quick (warrantied). 

The enduro black and white photos are just a paint job. The headset and the hanger and unchanged 

Technically there is some more drag as you have more bearings and another chainset that adds drag.  But yeah, involute gear gearboxes have a steep hill to climb to beat modern 12spd drivetrains...

^ Fair enough. They definitely aren’t XC ready but I do feel they could be beneficial in both DH and potentially Enduro already

 Looks like DVO are working on something new?

Whatever it is, I hope they ditch the "this is the only roman font we have on this computer" stanchion markings.

Haven't listened to the whole 30-minute Trinity video yet. Did anybody catch if/when the derailleur-in-a-box will be available to customers or how much it might cost? There's a lot of cool things they did with that bike, but the poor man's Honda gearbox is clearly the coolest.

Looks like a regular Onyx D1 to me; it's kind of flown under the radar for a while but it seems like a really solid fork. The only differences I'm seeing are the stanchion markings (possibly for prototyping?) and the gloss finish.

I do not agree, the axle portion is redesigned too.

As well more a new shock knob design: https://www.instagram.com/p/CpYqPqNPrkR/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y%3D

Looks like it didn’t inherit the adjustable chain stays from the Kenevo SL.