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2/28/2023 2:58pm
sspomer wrote:
push elevensix S feature here - https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/push-releases-generation-3-their-elevensix-mountain-bike-shock mostly new internals with tweaks to adjuster knobs. existing "R" shocks can get swapped out to new bits for...

push elevensix S feature here - https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/push-releases-generation-3-their-elev…

mostly new internals with tweaks to adjuster knobs. existing "R" shocks can get swapped out to new bits for $160. shock price is $1600.

R (left) vs S (right) visual comparison

elevensixRvselevensixS

 

price is insane....  better to pickup a used one and have it modded for $160.  Or just buy the new RS and save yourself 1k.

If RockShox was machining their high end shocks stateside at push’s standards they’d be a hell of a lot more expensive even disregarding volume.

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2/28/2023 3:00pm

Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide. Case closed.

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2/28/2023 3:26pm
TEAMROBOT wrote:
Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide...

Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide. Case closed.

don't think that's a flexstay, looks like a gap behind the bb and a pivot point

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2/28/2023 3:33pm
TEAMROBOT wrote:
Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide...

Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide. Case closed.

26aintdead wrote:

don't think that's a flexstay, looks like a gap behind the bb and a pivot point

The bike does not have a pivot at the rear axle, and I don't think there is a pivot at the BB, I can't see there being enough room behind the crank and the non-drive side looks solidly attached. 

2/28/2023 3:57pm
TEAMROBOT wrote:
Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide...

Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide. Case closed.

26aintdead wrote:

don't think that's a flexstay, looks like a gap behind the bb and a pivot point

It's a point at the seatstay (or chainstay in the place of a Horst pivot in the Cannondale Scalpel) that flexes. There's a regular pivot above the BB.

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2/28/2023 4:37pm Edited Date/Time 2/28/2023 8:07pm

That is and isn't what I was expecting. 

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2/28/2023 6:02pm

At least it looks potentially slightly easier to service the shock than the Trek Supercaliber which is HORRENDOUS.

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2/28/2023 6:18pm
TEAMROBOT wrote:
Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide...

Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide. Case closed.

Point taken, but I also wonder if it could be something with the new flat-top chain? I wouldn't be too surprised to see a new X-Sync profile since the second version debuted with Eagle almost exactly 7 years ago. Whatever it is I'm sure the guide is just there for the extra security like you said.

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2/28/2023 6:26pm
sspomer wrote:
push elevensix S feature here - https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/push-releases-generation-3-their-elevensix-mountain-bike-shock mostly new internals with tweaks to adjuster knobs. existing "R" shocks can get swapped out to new bits for...

push elevensix S feature here - https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/push-releases-generation-3-their-elev…

mostly new internals with tweaks to adjuster knobs. existing "R" shocks can get swapped out to new bits for $160. shock price is $1600.

R (left) vs S (right) visual comparison

elevensixRvselevensixS

 

price is insane....  better to pickup a used one and have it modded for $160.  Or just buy the new RS and save yourself 1k.

is the 2023 Super Deluxe that good? When this DHX2 blows up again (inevitable) I'd consider one, stock in Aus is nil however. Rocking horse shit.

2/28/2023 7:13pm
brash wrote:

is the 2023 Super Deluxe that good? When this DHX2 blows up again (inevitable) I'd consider one, stock in Aus is nil however. Rocking horse shit.

I certainly haven't heard anything to the contrary. Even if it might not be quite as soft as the DHX2, the reliability (so far) and HBO are measurable improvements, plus it's cheaper.

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2/28/2023 8:29pm

Eagle only in March, Sid and Boxxer have their own release dates down the road

XX/XO is March.

GX is June.

unsure on suspension releases.

Source: the back of a weet-bix packet.

Primoz wrote:

Does your weet-bix packet mention anything cable actuated?

Man,

You can literally go out today and buy all the XX1 components your little heart desires that are still cable actuated, Canadian online parts suppliers have it all in stock (TBS bike parts) except the crankset.  Please, just go buy it, and ride yer bike, and stop worrying about it.  Its not that big a deal, you'll be just fine.

Maybe chill out on your obsession with new SRAM highest tier only being AXS, which is only speculation. 

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2/28/2023 11:11pm
brash wrote:

is the 2023 Super Deluxe that good? When this DHX2 blows up again (inevitable) I'd consider one, stock in Aus is nil however. Rocking horse shit.

2023 Super Deluxe, is ok, but not great. The HBO addition is nice, (but ultimately not that important) but unfortunately now changing high speed compression changes rebound, which is very suboptimal.

 

In short, they reinvented the wheel, when the 2022 is a better product when it comes to compression and rebound damping, all to implement HBO, which wasn't needed that desperately. 

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2/28/2023 11:37pm
TEAMROBOT wrote:
Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide...

Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide. Case closed.

All it proves is how bad Sram clutch systems are. I have been running Shimano Deore 12s for the last 3 seasons on my enduro which spends a lot of time in the Park as well, and on my agressive HT, and haven't experienced any chain drop during that time, not even once. Meanwhile a good friend that has XO Eagle has been dropping chains all the time even on mellow enough trails. Get a Shimano derailleur and you won't need a chain guide. It's has other issues but chain dropping isn't one.

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2/28/2023 11:42pm
TEAMROBOT wrote:
Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide...

Not really a tech rumor, but if carbon flexstay S-works prototype spy shot cross country race bikes have chainguides in 2023, everyone should have a chainguide. Case closed.

All it proves is how bad Sram clutch systems are. I have been running Shimano Deore 12s for the last 3 seasons on my enduro which...

All it proves is how bad Sram clutch systems are. I have been running Shimano Deore 12s for the last 3 seasons on my enduro which spends a lot of time in the Park as well, and on my agressive HT, and haven't experienced any chain drop during that time, not even once. Meanwhile a good friend that has XO Eagle has been dropping chains all the time even on mellow enough trails. Get a Shimano derailleur and you won't need a chain guide. It's has other issues but chain dropping isn't one.

Sample size of one. I’ve run X01 AXS and GX AXS for the last 3 seasons with precisely one dropped chain that I recall, from a crash. 

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2/28/2023 11:56pm
brash wrote:

is the 2023 Super Deluxe that good? When this DHX2 blows up again (inevitable) I'd consider one, stock in Aus is nil however. Rocking horse shit.

2023 Super Deluxe, is ok, but not great. The HBO addition is nice, (but ultimately not that important) but unfortunately now changing high speed compression changes...

2023 Super Deluxe, is ok, but not great. The HBO addition is nice, (but ultimately not that important) but unfortunately now changing high speed compression changes rebound, which is very suboptimal.

 

In short, they reinvented the wheel, when the 2022 is a better product when it comes to compression and rebound damping, all to implement HBO, which wasn't needed that desperately. 

Same situation here. My dhx2 works good but blows up after 15-20 rides. I want to ride a shock without be affraid to have problem.

That was the same problem with the CC double barrel coil cs

 

Rockshox will be the next one

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3/1/2023 12:02am
Primoz wrote:

Does your weet-bix packet mention anything cable actuated?

Nothing. Sorry.

even bought a new box today to see if that one had an update. Nothing.

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3/1/2023 2:56am

$1600 for a shock is crazy expensive. For that amount of money I would much rather buy a cheaper shock (like a RS) and spent a few days with a tuner to get a revalve for my speed and weight, and have a better performing shock overall. 

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3/1/2023 6:43am Edited Date/Time 3/1/2023 6:47am

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 New Specialized "Supercaliber" and new SRAM stuff.

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3/1/2023 7:00am Edited Date/Time 3/1/2023 7:02am
 New Specialized "Supercaliber" and new SRAM stuff.

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 New Specialized "Supercaliber" and new SRAM stuff.

I wonder if there is a little link hiding under there or if they are connecting directly to the shock? I suspect a link for lateral rigidity

SRAM still keeping that new crank a secret??? Besides the hole in it what am I missing? A power meter or something?

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3/1/2023 7:29am
 New Specialized "Supercaliber" and new SRAM stuff.

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 New Specialized "Supercaliber" and new SRAM stuff.

I wonder if there is a little link hiding under there or if they are connecting directly to the shock? I suspect a link for lateral...

I wonder if there is a little link hiding under there or if they are connecting directly to the shock? I suspect a link for lateral rigidity

SRAM still keeping that new crank a secret??? Besides the hole in it what am I missing? A power meter or something?

or because it's .*~aero~*.

Also likely that there is a chainring-based power meter option. The new SRAM Force AXS dropped today, and they are offering chainring-integrated power meters AND crank-based power meters. Apparently chainring-based is more accurate and stiffer, but nice to see a crank option so your power meter doesn't die when your chainrings wear out. 

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3/1/2023 7:37am
2023 Super Deluxe, is ok, but not great. The HBO addition is nice, (but ultimately not that important) but unfortunately now changing high speed compression changes...

2023 Super Deluxe, is ok, but not great. The HBO addition is nice, (but ultimately not that important) but unfortunately now changing high speed compression changes rebound, which is very suboptimal.

 

In short, they reinvented the wheel, when the 2022 is a better product when it comes to compression and rebound damping, all to implement HBO, which wasn't needed that desperately. 

Steve-  changing HSC does nothing to your rebound setting (on either SDLX air or coil).  I'll need to see your dyno graphs proving otherwise.

 

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3/1/2023 7:41am
 New Specialized "Supercaliber" and new SRAM stuff.

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 New Specialized "Supercaliber" and new SRAM stuff.

I wonder if there is a little link hiding under there or if they are connecting directly to the shock? I suspect a link for lateral...

I wonder if there is a little link hiding under there or if they are connecting directly to the shock? I suspect a link for lateral rigidity

SRAM still keeping that new crank a secret??? Besides the hole in it what am I missing? A power meter or something?

Masjo wrote:
or because it's .*~aero~*. Also likely that there is a chainring-based power meter option. The new SRAM Force AXS dropped today, and they are offering chainring-integrated...

or because it's .*~aero~*.

Also likely that there is a chainring-based power meter option. The new SRAM Force AXS dropped today, and they are offering chainring-integrated power meters AND crank-based power meters. Apparently chainring-based is more accurate and stiffer, but nice to see a crank option so your power meter doesn't die when your chainrings wear out. 

I really find it silly that they are possibly bringing that integrated power meter to MTB. Just hoping they will make a T-Type 104 BCD chainring for us Quarq spider users. I guess if they don't then companies like Wolftooth etc will. 

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3/1/2023 7:49am
$1600 for a shock is crazy expensive. For that amount of money I would much rather buy a cheaper shock (like a RS) and spent a...

$1600 for a shock is crazy expensive. For that amount of money I would much rather buy a cheaper shock (like a RS) and spent a few days with a tuner to get a revalve for my speed and weight, and have a better performing shock overall. 

Push shocks are valved for your weight and speed, plus they’ll re-valve it for you for shipping costs within 60 days if you’re not happy with the ride. I can’t fault anyone for not paying the $$$ for a Push, but if you’re going to spend the $$$ you might as well end up with a shock with a warranty.

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$1600 for a shock is crazy expensive. For that amount of money I would much rather buy a cheaper shock (like a RS) and spent a...

$1600 for a shock is crazy expensive. For that amount of money I would much rather buy a cheaper shock (like a RS) and spent a few days with a tuner to get a revalve for my speed and weight, and have a better performing shock overall. 

codahale wrote:
Push shocks are valved for your weight and speed, plus they’ll re-valve it for you for shipping costs within 60 days if you’re not happy with...

Push shocks are valved for your weight and speed, plus they’ll re-valve it for you for shipping costs within 60 days if you’re not happy with the ride. I can’t fault anyone for not paying the $$$ for a Push, but if you’re going to spend the $$$ you might as well end up with a shock with a warranty.

agreed that price is heavy and not for everyone/most riders. fwiw, if shock is sent in for service each year, warranty is reset for another year, not to mention if you get a new bike, they'll configure the shock to the new bike. when we were w/ darren, he said that shock #47 from 2016 (or some long-ass time ago), came in for service, still going strong. different ways to perceive "cost" or value.

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$1600 for a shock is crazy expensive. For that amount of money I would much rather buy a cheaper shock (like a RS) and spent a...

$1600 for a shock is crazy expensive. For that amount of money I would much rather buy a cheaper shock (like a RS) and spent a few days with a tuner to get a revalve for my speed and weight, and have a better performing shock overall. 

I would rather buy a cane creek instead of rs

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3/1/2023 8:28am
It's a point at the seatstay (or chainstay in the place of a Horst pivot in the Cannondale Scalpel) that flexes. There's a regular pivot above...

It's a point at the seatstay (or chainstay in the place of a Horst pivot in the Cannondale Scalpel) that flexes. There's a regular pivot above the BB.

spec pivot

 

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3/1/2023 9:46am
 New Specialized "Supercaliber" and new SRAM stuff.

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 New Specialized "Supercaliber" and new SRAM stuff.

Looks good! Hopefully it will be 15k+$

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Any day now…..

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3/1/2023 10:44am
I wonder if there is a little link hiding under there or if they are connecting directly to the shock? I suspect a link for lateral...

I wonder if there is a little link hiding under there or if they are connecting directly to the shock? I suspect a link for lateral rigidity

SRAM still keeping that new crank a secret??? Besides the hole in it what am I missing? A power meter or something?

In the picture there's a bolt in the top tube, behind the shock near the seat tube, suggesting that there is a short link to drive the shock.

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3/1/2023 10:45am
sharpy212 wrote:
Any day now…..

F7331A1F-4CF2-4FB7-B013-E2D615B26CF4.png?VersionId=4fUvGuydX2kDwzNZ

Any day now…..

New (refreshed) Force AXS dropped today. I think the last time they had a load of stuff to release, it was pretty much weekly from the first one forward.

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