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Noeserd 10/2/2022 7:33am
10/2/2022 7:33am Edited Date/Time 10/2/2022 8:27am
nucleardaisy wrote:
Hunt Proven carbon wheels have been added to their website with pricing and full specs. I would imagine an official launch soon. Basically an Enduro wheelset...
Hunt Proven carbon wheels have been added to their website with pricing and full specs. I would imagine an official launch soon. Basically an Enduro wheelset with 'tuned' carbon rims, and an XC model both with lifetime warranty and sub £900 price.

https://www.huntbikewheels.com/pages/proven


Noeserd wrote:
Might aswell buy aluminium wheels at that point with those weights And please don't talk about lifetime warranty, a good dtswiss rim is around 70 bucks...
Might aswell buy aluminium wheels at that point with those weights


And please don't talk about lifetime warranty, a good dtswiss rim is around 70 bucks, Even if you manage to wreck 5 rims in few years which is unlikely you are still on a better position in terms of pricing
Edthorne wrote:
Man I wish they were that cheap in Canada. An EX511 goes for $206 CAD, and a lot of people demo rims like this pretty frequently...
Man I wish they were that cheap in Canada. An EX511 goes for $206 CAD, and a lot of people demo rims like this pretty frequently where I live. Add in the cost of wheel builds and spokes for the average rider who doesn't have the knowledge and tooling to rebuild a wheel, and those NQA carbon hoops start to look real good.

After a few years of mid season wheel builds, I made the jump to LG1 Carbon Race rims, and am so far very glad I did.
Yeah but for example e13 only covers 1 wheel build, after you break another wheel you're on your own with the 2nd building but they at least cover both ways shipping because they want you to ship the broken wheel back.

On hunt wheels you have to cover shipping and import taxes to usa (if there is any) if you're in canada because they don't have an office there but seems like they're covering repair labor, if repair is not possible replacing the wheel.


Faster Than U 10/2/2022 5:29pm
10/2/2022 5:29pm
watchcwgo wrote:
Interested to hear about the motor on the ibis. . .
It’s a Shimano ep8, so no good.
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Pedal4life 10/2/2022 6:50pm
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And that right there is why I will not be buying a Commencal eBile like I wanted unless they go to Bosch I won’t be a repeat customer
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Primoz 10/2/2022 10:23pm
10/2/2022 10:23pm Edited Date/Time 10/2/2022 10:30pm
https://www.instagram.com/p/CjOv2jWOAAg/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y%3D




Got this linked to me.

Looks like running a mismatched setup will be a PITA, even more so than Shimano brakes and Sram drivetrain. And bleeding might be a PITA too as it looks like it will be hard to clean up the fluid from between the reservoir and the handlebar. You're going to get spillage in there for sure...

And like a comment on IG says, looks like they are optimised for internal routing Smile
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mtbman99 10/2/2022 11:01pm
10/2/2022 11:01pm
Noeserd wrote:
Might aswell buy aluminium wheels at that point with those weights And please don't talk about lifetime warranty, a good dtswiss rim is around 70 bucks...
Might aswell buy aluminium wheels at that point with those weights


And please don't talk about lifetime warranty, a good dtswiss rim is around 70 bucks, Even if you manage to wreck 5 rims in few years which is unlikely you are still on a better position in terms of pricing
Edthorne wrote:
Man I wish they were that cheap in Canada. An EX511 goes for $206 CAD, and a lot of people demo rims like this pretty frequently...
Man I wish they were that cheap in Canada. An EX511 goes for $206 CAD, and a lot of people demo rims like this pretty frequently where I live. Add in the cost of wheel builds and spokes for the average rider who doesn't have the knowledge and tooling to rebuild a wheel, and those NQA carbon hoops start to look real good.

After a few years of mid season wheel builds, I made the jump to LG1 Carbon Race rims, and am so far very glad I did.
Noeserd wrote:
Yeah but for example e13 only covers 1 wheel build, after you break another wheel you're on your own with the 2nd building but they at...
Yeah but for example e13 only covers 1 wheel build, after you break another wheel you're on your own with the 2nd building but they at least cover both ways shipping because they want you to ship the broken wheel back.

On hunt wheels you have to cover shipping and import taxes to usa (if there is any) if you're in canada because they don't have an office there but seems like they're covering repair labor, if repair is not possible replacing the wheel.


A friend had to wait a month before he could get his replacement carbon rim so it’s not always ideal.
LookinForIt 10/2/2022 11:57pm
10/2/2022 11:57pm
Primoz wrote:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CjOv2jWOAAg/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y%3D [img]https://i.imgur.com/R43gRiB.jpeg[/img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/WJWyguA.png[/img] Got this linked to me. Looks like running a mismatched setup will be a PITA, even more so than Shimano brakes and Sram...
https://www.instagram.com/p/CjOv2jWOAAg/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y%3D




Got this linked to me.

Looks like running a mismatched setup will be a PITA, even more so than Shimano brakes and Sram drivetrain. And bleeding might be a PITA too as it looks like it will be hard to clean up the fluid from between the reservoir and the handlebar. You're going to get spillage in there for sure...

And like a comment on IG says, looks like they are optimised for internal routing Smile
Even without mismatched setups, I like having my shifter inboard from my brakes (long thumbs?) and this might make that... Difficult
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Primoz 10/3/2022 12:17am
10/3/2022 12:17am
Use the left matchmaker on the right lever and vice versa. Take a look at my bike check in my profile, you'll see what I mean 😉
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matmattmatthew 10/3/2022 6:32am
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Primoz wrote:
Use the left matchmaker on the right lever and vice versa. Take a look at my bike check in my profile, you'll see what I mean...
Use the left matchmaker on the right lever and vice versa. Take a look at my bike check in my profile, you'll see what I mean 😉
I do this, left on the right and right on the left. I have my AXS shifter and dropper lever both inboard of my Code brakes via matchmaker. Been running this setup for a couple of years and it's been perfect.
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D(C) 10/3/2022 7:54am
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Noeserd wrote:
Might aswell buy aluminium wheels at that point with those weights And please don't talk about lifetime warranty, a good dtswiss rim is around 70 bucks...
Might aswell buy aluminium wheels at that point with those weights


And please don't talk about lifetime warranty, a good dtswiss rim is around 70 bucks, Even if you manage to wreck 5 rims in few years which is unlikely you are still on a better position in terms of pricing
Carbon rims can save a bit of weight, but the main advantage to me is that they don’t dent or require truing. Keeping an alloy rim straight can be a difficult task. Yes, carbon rims break, but they are perfect until the moment they do. And a carbon rim that weighs a few extra grams is going to be quite strong.
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Primoz 10/3/2022 8:21am
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I prefer riding out a race/vacation on a bent and bodged rim than on a cracked one to be honest... Though I do build my wheels myself, so I'm not really a relevant datapoint...
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Mbarosko 10/3/2022 9:11am
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watchcwgo wrote:
Interested to hear about the motor on the ibis. . .
Faster Than U wrote:
It’s a Shimano ep8, so no good.
Actually looks to be a Bosch drive unit not Shimano.
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bicycle019 10/3/2022 9:36am
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brash wrote:
Ibis eeb [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/09/30/13061/s1200_8BE865DA_270F_4725_855E_C958434A7E40.jpg[/img]
Ibis eeb
Is that a headlight on the front of the bike?? Shocked
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dolface 10/3/2022 9:46am
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bicycle019 wrote:
Is that a headlight on the front of the bike?? Shocked
No, it's the new logo:
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bicycle019 10/3/2022 9:52am
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bicycle019 wrote:
Is that a headlight on the front of the bike?? Shocked
dolface wrote:
No, it's the new logo: [img]https://s3.amazonaws.com/www.bikerumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/27085112/Ibis_Ripmo_V2S_BruceBanner_Green_LM-6-Large.jpeg[/img]
No, it's the new logo:
Look at the handlbar...
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baronKanon 10/3/2022 10:07am
10/3/2022 10:07am
Primoz wrote:
I prefer riding out a race/vacation on a bent and bodged rim than on a cracked one to be honest... Though I do build my wheels...
I prefer riding out a race/vacation on a bent and bodged rim than on a cracked one to be honest... Though I do build my wheels myself, so I'm not really a relevant datapoint...
Understand that, but the thing is that often a heavy duty carbon rim needs more force to break than a similar alloy rim, meaning that the wheel may not break at all, and if it does, an alloy rim would break as well.
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dolface 10/3/2022 10:15am
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bicycle019 wrote:
Look at the handlbar...
D'oh! Time for more coffee...
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Edthorne 10/3/2022 11:01am
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Primoz wrote:
I prefer riding out a race/vacation on a bent and bodged rim than on a cracked one to be honest... Though I do build my wheels...
I prefer riding out a race/vacation on a bent and bodged rim than on a cracked one to be honest... Though I do build my wheels myself, so I'm not really a relevant datapoint...
baronKanon wrote:
Understand that, but the thing is that often a heavy duty carbon rim needs more force to break than a similar alloy rim, meaning that the...
Understand that, but the thing is that often a heavy duty carbon rim needs more force to break than a similar alloy rim, meaning that the wheel may not break at all, and if it does, an alloy rim would break as well.
This was my main point. After almost a full season on a carbon rim that's about the same weight as a lot of burly alloy rims, it hasn't missed a beat. More than I can say for the alloy rims I've had to repeatedly replace in the past. I view the NQA as more of an assurance that if something goes wrong I have a cheap long term solution, and that the manufacturer believes their rim to be strong enough to endure being smashed into rocks repeatedly, with every miscalculated line and slashed tire.

This isn't to say they're infallible, or that the warranty process is always fun and devoid of cost. I've seen almost every brand of NQA rim break, even some people I know have gone through multiple rims (We Are One).

On top of that, it's unfortunately pretty common practice for brands to force customers to cover the shipping cost of their warranty replacements, and they almost always require the original to be sent back to them, or require proof of destruction from the dealer who processed the claim.
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Primoz 10/3/2022 11:08am
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Which rims do you run?
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nskerb 10/3/2022 11:15am
10/3/2022 11:15am
Those re-worked sram brakes look about as good as my dogs dinner. But in 2 years I'll be used to them and think they look pretty sweet.
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AndehM 10/3/2022 11:18am
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Edthorne wrote:
This was my main point. After almost a full season on a carbon rim that's about the same weight as a lot of burly alloy rims...
This was my main point. After almost a full season on a carbon rim that's about the same weight as a lot of burly alloy rims, it hasn't missed a beat. More than I can say for the alloy rims I've had to repeatedly replace in the past. I view the NQA as more of an assurance that if something goes wrong I have a cheap long term solution, and that the manufacturer believes their rim to be strong enough to endure being smashed into rocks repeatedly, with every miscalculated line and slashed tire.

This isn't to say they're infallible, or that the warranty process is always fun and devoid of cost. I've seen almost every brand of NQA rim break, even some people I know have gone through multiple rims (We Are One).

On top of that, it's unfortunately pretty common practice for brands to force customers to cover the shipping cost of their warranty replacements, and they almost always require the original to be sent back to them, or require proof of destruction from the dealer who processed the claim.
I've broken a couple of WAO rims, and the shipping cost is only like $30. No need to send back the broken rim. Far cheaper than a new alloy rim or the half price crash replacement that other carbon rim companies want.

That said, I'm planning on using EX511s for my N+1 purchase this winter, at least to start. If they hold up, great. If I bend / destroy them, then I'll just replace the rims with those hot new WAO Convergence rims that they are only selling with the new Arrivals.
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jason.west.750 10/3/2022 11:18am
10/3/2022 11:18am Edited Date/Time 10/3/2022 11:21am
I use carbon rims just for that reason. Pretty much no maintenance! I use ebay carbon rims and all the different versions over the years have been awesome.
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anotherbikerguy 10/3/2022 11:55am
10/3/2022 11:55am
Spotted a couple of the Ibis e-bikes in boxes at a dealer in CA this past weekend. (Not going to say where, but they weren't trying very hard to hide them, and one was in the process of being assembled.) Official launch must be pretty soon if the bikes have already arrived at shops.
jason.west.750 10/3/2022 12:07pm
10/3/2022 12:07pm Edited Date/Time 10/3/2022 7:45pm
anotherbikerguy wrote:
Spotted a couple of the Ibis e-bikes in boxes at a dealer in CA this past weekend. (Not going to say where, but they weren't trying...
Spotted a couple of the Ibis e-bikes in boxes at a dealer in CA this past weekend. (Not going to say where, but they weren't trying very hard to hide them, and one was in the process of being assembled.) Official launch must be pretty soon if the bikes have already arrived at shops.
How do they look? Please tell me they look better in person then they do online.
anotherbikerguy 10/3/2022 12:39pm
10/3/2022 12:39pm
jason.west.750 wrote:
How do they look? Please tell me they look better in person then they do online.
Did not get a clear look at the frame itself.
TheShortestCharles 10/3/2022 2:48pm
10/3/2022 2:48pm
I will neither confirm nor deny anything about the Ibis, but I will say it looks really good in person
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Losifer 10/4/2022 7:55am
10/4/2022 7:55am
On the new B Practice podcast, Dak talks about the upcoming Intensee DH frame, hinting that they will be production ready and announced soon.

A couple of design changes, farewell gravy boat…
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Edthorne 10/4/2022 8:55am
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Primoz wrote:
Which rims do you run?
I've been on a set of the LG1 Carbon Race DH. A friend of mine did manage to crack one, but he had a new one within a few days and hasn't had any issues since. As for me, I've been on them all season, and they look pretty beat, but haven't missed a beat riding in Quebec, as well as a trip to Morzine at the height of the drought.

Previously I mostly ran EX3's
CascadeComponents 10/4/2022 11:05am
10/4/2022 11:05am
One odd thing with the Oso... 155mm of travel with a 60mm stroke shock and 170mm of travel with a 65mm stroke shock would mean that last 5mm of shock stroke has an average leverage ratio of 3. Having a leverage ratio around 3 for the last little bit of travel while the average leverage ratio for the first 60mm of shock stroke is 2.58 would be very weird. So it likely has more than 155mm with a 60mm stroke or less than 170mm with a 65mm stroke. Or the leverage curve is shaped like a U, but I think those days of suspension design are behind us.
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