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Banana.split.oreos I've never seen torx bolts on any Sram brakes from the factory or from an aftermarket adapter kit. They are all 5 mm Allen. You have to buy Torx bolts aftermarket separately from any brakes or adapters (they are intended for flat mount brakes).
@lloyd506 it is on the seat stay, but that seatstay is mounted to the front triangle. With a normal linkage driven single pivot, there's a rocker in between. Said rocker, just like with the Norco Range, is near the BB and the chainstay is the 'floating' link (like the seatstay is with a normal horst link configuration or the rear triangle is with dual short link suspension).
Horst link turned upside down.
And here's a bonus approximation of that Forbidden:
It's not single pivot because there are 2 pivots (main/high and rear/seat-stay) between the wheel and frame, but it's also not horst because a Horst Link is specifically a pivot (on the main swingarm, which itself has a main pivot near the BB ) that is below and in front of the rear axle. The Forbidden has a pivot on the main swingarm, sure, but it's above and in front of the rear axle, and the main pivot is well above both the BB and the rest of the linkage, so not really a Horst link.
I do think the shock should be moved further up the downtube though. I think the bottom eyelet is in front of the seattube.
@just6979 it's a four bar linkage, so not a single pivot. As for the Horst linkness, it's a naming convention where a single pivot was differentiated from the Horst link, which at the time meant a single pivot (or faux bar) vs. a four bar linkage. With the advent of dual short link suspension systems and further variations on the multilink theme, saying something is a 'Horst link' just makes it known that one of the primary links is a long one with a shorter rocker in the mix as well. That's why we say it's a reversed (upside-down) horst link as it's easy to describe the layout.
After all, Lawwill and Eminent are four bar designs as well, but can't be classified as neither a horst link nor a dual short link design. Then there's Yeti's rail (rails actually, 303 and all), which fall into the same category (technically, kinematics wise, a rail is an infinitely long link).
On the other hand I am the nitpicker saying something isn't a 6-bar when it obviously isn't so I guess I'm lazy just when it benefits me
I also heard that in the rumor mill regarding sight and optic having some type of high pivot (HSP or otherwise)... Idk, I really do not want to see that happen, maybe some do, but I don't really see the benefits of a bike with an idler that isn't a legit enduro bike.
Specialized has been notorious for using duct tape to hide stuff or throw people off
If i could and for the size large, id pull reach back a little, maybe to 480-2 and put anther 10mm of stack in it. -its stack is too low for how good the rest of the bike is.
I owned a c2 for awhile in 2021 but let a friend borrow it and he crashed it, he bought it off me and got it repaired.
im looking at one for my Boy but no stock here at the moment, if they release 2023's with HP, thats me out, HP belongs on DH bikes only.
@Primoz @TheShortestCharles: If the most recent mock up TheShortestCharles did is pretty close to accurate, what are both your thoughts on WHY they would update to this design if the leverage curve is basically the same? Just to produce a 'new bike' (likely)?, more ability to tune the curves?, lighter, more rearward axle, etc, etc.?
-I do think this is a new and great way for Specialized and others to rapid prototype. Have a few basic sizes of frame tubes in-stock in house and then have the lugs 3D printed, links and other things CNC'd then glue up and bang proto ready to go. Also, maybe they are doing this as an experimental DH F1 style thing with them being able to tune the chassis stiffness of the frames exactly for a rider. Benefit of this carbon lugged frame is maybe a drop in frame weight and the ability to provide custom flex patterns for each of the two world cup riders. And then use that flex data for the future mass-produced carbon demo.
The guys at Forbidden, were with Norco, I believe they were the devs behind the Aurum HSP, and had a hand in the Shore.