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O1D4 7/4/2022 5:07pm
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That video also had a shot of the 'announced' Transition Relay but in a different colour...


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Lacanuck24 7/4/2022 11:17pm
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interesting way to release a new bike.

lighter weight with 60nm is gonna be braaaaap!



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JamesR_2026 wrote:
If they are testing a proto on Le Pleney they really want it to be seen. I can't think of a less secret place to test!
On the other hand that is probably the best spot in the world to test DH bikes as you have unlimited number of steep and technical trails accessible by a single lift. Thats why most of the racing field was there last week in preparation for the next round! Its really hard to keep anything secret these days with everyone carrying decent camera in their pocket, so you might as well cover the bike and throw it into the wild
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Poleczechy 7/5/2022 5:20am
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em_comp wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/07/04/12680/s1200_Screenshot_2022_07_04_23_24_07_811_com.google.android.youtube.jpg[/img]

Pivot went from the ugliest ebike to an absolute stunner.
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Eoin 7/5/2022 5:21am
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That pivot is gorgeous, but I doubt there will be a version below $10k
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Manufacturers are doing every single thing under their power to deceive the authorities and hide electric motors in plain sight so they can just sell the living shit out of them and the forests will be covered in motorized vehicles hiding in plain sight.

If they weren't trying to be shady as fokk about hiding moped motors, they'd all making them bling/bling shiny like a Pro Circuit aftermarket pipe on a motocross bike. But they're all trying to hide them.

Maybe a law needs to come down the pipes that anything sold in the US as an e-bike must have a giant dildo hanging off it so people out for a hike will know exactly what kind of person just zipped by them without speaking three times in a half hour.
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bermslapper69 7/5/2022 7:47am
7/5/2022 7:47am
bizutch wrote:
Manufacturers are doing every single thing under their power to deceive the authorities and hide electric motors in plain sight so they can just sell the...
Manufacturers are doing every single thing under their power to deceive the authorities and hide electric motors in plain sight so they can just sell the living shit out of them and the forests will be covered in motorized vehicles hiding in plain sight.

If they weren't trying to be shady as fokk about hiding moped motors, they'd all making them bling/bling shiny like a Pro Circuit aftermarket pipe on a motocross bike. But they're all trying to hide them.

Maybe a law needs to come down the pipes that anything sold in the US as an e-bike must have a giant dildo hanging off it so people out for a hike will know exactly what kind of person just zipped by them without speaking three times in a half hour.
Oh my god calm down they’re just bikes lmao
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slimshady 7/5/2022 7:53am
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bizutch wrote:
Manufacturers are doing every single thing under their power to deceive the authorities and hide electric motors in plain sight so they can just sell the...
Manufacturers are doing every single thing under their power to deceive the authorities and hide electric motors in plain sight so they can just sell the living shit out of them and the forests will be covered in motorized vehicles hiding in plain sight.

If they weren't trying to be shady as fokk about hiding moped motors, they'd all making them bling/bling shiny like a Pro Circuit aftermarket pipe on a motocross bike. But they're all trying to hide them.

Maybe a law needs to come down the pipes that anything sold in the US as an e-bike must have a giant dildo hanging off it so people out for a hike will know exactly what kind of person just zipped by them without speaking three times in a half hour.
bermslapper69 wrote:
Oh my god calm down they’re just bikes lmao
Nope, they're ebikes.
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bulletbass man 7/5/2022 9:18am
7/5/2022 9:18am Edited Date/Time 7/5/2022 9:23am
Interesting that they have a burly and xc/trail suspension platforms on the bike in different photos. Will be interesting to see if it reaches the public with different options and if one model may be up forked for a more aggressive geo.

As far as ebike hate I got none for the bikes. But that said the vast majority of ebikers where I live are the worst. But to be fair they were the worst when they were on trail bikes with trust forks too.
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TheShortestCharles 7/5/2022 8:50pm
7/5/2022 8:50pm
bulletbass man wrote:
Interesting that they have a burly and xc/trail suspension platforms on the bike in different photos. Will be interesting to see if it reaches the public...
Interesting that they have a burly and xc/trail suspension platforms on the bike in different photos. Will be interesting to see if it reaches the public with different options and if one model may be up forked for a more aggressive geo.

As far as ebike hate I got none for the bikes. But that said the vast majority of ebikers where I live are the worst. But to be fair they were the worst when they were on trail bikes with trust forks too.
Same as some of their current models; the Trail 429 has 'Trail' (DPS, 34 FIT4) and 'Enduro' (DPX2, 34 GRIP2) builds
Brian_Peterson 7/6/2022 7:58am
7/6/2022 7:58am
bizutch wrote:
Manufacturers are doing every single thing under their power to deceive the authorities and hide electric motors in plain sight so they can just sell the...
Manufacturers are doing every single thing under their power to deceive the authorities and hide electric motors in plain sight so they can just sell the living shit out of them and the forests will be covered in motorized vehicles hiding in plain sight.

If they weren't trying to be shady as fokk about hiding moped motors, they'd all making them bling/bling shiny like a Pro Circuit aftermarket pipe on a motocross bike. But they're all trying to hide them.

Maybe a law needs to come down the pipes that anything sold in the US as an e-bike must have a giant dildo hanging off it so people out for a hike will know exactly what kind of person just zipped by them without speaking three times in a half hour.
It's all fun and games until you find yourself on a bike with a giant dildo hanging off it...

But, on the other hand, I rode with a guy the other day... Older guy, used to ride road back in the 80s and 90s.. Age and weight has caught up with him. He borrowed an ebike and was able to hang with us on on most of the climbs. He had a blast riding with his boys and seems like a strong candidate to buy one. Hell, I'm closing in on 50, so I can see me on one within the next 10 years..

The only downside I see to ebikes is that it lowers a barrier of entry. It eliminates the suffering that scares off a lot of people. That means more bikes on already crowded trails. On the upside, it also potentially mean more voices in the fight for trails. But, just like any other newbie, they have to be taught.

I have no issues with class 1 pedal assist bikes on the trails...
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bizutch 7/6/2022 9:41am
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bizutch wrote:
Manufacturers are doing every single thing under their power to deceive the authorities and hide electric motors in plain sight so they can just sell the...
Manufacturers are doing every single thing under their power to deceive the authorities and hide electric motors in plain sight so they can just sell the living shit out of them and the forests will be covered in motorized vehicles hiding in plain sight.

If they weren't trying to be shady as fokk about hiding moped motors, they'd all making them bling/bling shiny like a Pro Circuit aftermarket pipe on a motocross bike. But they're all trying to hide them.

Maybe a law needs to come down the pipes that anything sold in the US as an e-bike must have a giant dildo hanging off it so people out for a hike will know exactly what kind of person just zipped by them without speaking three times in a half hour.
Brian_Peterson wrote:
It's all fun and games until you find yourself on a bike with a giant dildo hanging off it... But, on the other hand, I rode...
It's all fun and games until you find yourself on a bike with a giant dildo hanging off it...

But, on the other hand, I rode with a guy the other day... Older guy, used to ride road back in the 80s and 90s.. Age and weight has caught up with him. He borrowed an ebike and was able to hang with us on on most of the climbs. He had a blast riding with his boys and seems like a strong candidate to buy one. Hell, I'm closing in on 50, so I can see me on one within the next 10 years..

The only downside I see to ebikes is that it lowers a barrier of entry. It eliminates the suffering that scares off a lot of people. That means more bikes on already crowded trails. On the upside, it also potentially mean more voices in the fight for trails. But, just like any other newbie, they have to be taught.

I have no issues with class 1 pedal assist bikes on the trails...
The problem is your view doesn't hold up long term, let alone even in the very short term. E-bikes are impossible to regulate, they're already being used illegally daily regardless of that silly and quite useless "Class" system & technology has already blown past the meager Class 1.

Class 3 looks like a 1. SurRon looks like a 3 & a 2 & a 1.
SurRon has already shattered a guys jaw & escaped. I've already seen two SurRons poaching Pisgah in less than a month. I see e-bikes poaching every single trail in Pisgah & they're illegal on all of the trails.

The Stark Varg e-moto is here & a full supercross ready platform that's DEAD SILENT.

I've already had kids rip by me on trail using Strider full electric motos. Those kids aren't going back to pedal bikes as they get older. Electric motor tech is way past that foolish and naive "Class 1" notion & the riders don't give one crap about any rule anywhere.

People want toys. Then they want bigger toys. And these aren't jet skis on a small lake. E-motos & e-mopeds....they just disappear in the forest if you try to catch them.

We're so far gone
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krabo83 7/6/2022 9:59am
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bizutch wrote:
Manufacturers are doing every single thing under their power to deceive the authorities and hide electric motors in plain sight so they can just sell the...
Manufacturers are doing every single thing under their power to deceive the authorities and hide electric motors in plain sight so they can just sell the living shit out of them and the forests will be covered in motorized vehicles hiding in plain sight.

If they weren't trying to be shady as fokk about hiding moped motors, they'd all making them bling/bling shiny like a Pro Circuit aftermarket pipe on a motocross bike. But they're all trying to hide them.

Maybe a law needs to come down the pipes that anything sold in the US as an e-bike must have a giant dildo hanging off it so people out for a hike will know exactly what kind of person just zipped by them without speaking three times in a half hour.
Brian_Peterson wrote:
It's all fun and games until you find yourself on a bike with a giant dildo hanging off it... But, on the other hand, I rode...
It's all fun and games until you find yourself on a bike with a giant dildo hanging off it...

But, on the other hand, I rode with a guy the other day... Older guy, used to ride road back in the 80s and 90s.. Age and weight has caught up with him. He borrowed an ebike and was able to hang with us on on most of the climbs. He had a blast riding with his boys and seems like a strong candidate to buy one. Hell, I'm closing in on 50, so I can see me on one within the next 10 years..

The only downside I see to ebikes is that it lowers a barrier of entry. It eliminates the suffering that scares off a lot of people. That means more bikes on already crowded trails. On the upside, it also potentially mean more voices in the fight for trails. But, just like any other newbie, they have to be taught.

I have no issues with class 1 pedal assist bikes on the trails...
bizutch wrote:
The problem is your view doesn't hold up long term, let alone even in the very short term. E-bikes are impossible to regulate, they're already being...
The problem is your view doesn't hold up long term, let alone even in the very short term. E-bikes are impossible to regulate, they're already being used illegally daily regardless of that silly and quite useless "Class" system & technology has already blown past the meager Class 1.

Class 3 looks like a 1. SurRon looks like a 3 & a 2 & a 1.
SurRon has already shattered a guys jaw & escaped. I've already seen two SurRons poaching Pisgah in less than a month. I see e-bikes poaching every single trail in Pisgah & they're illegal on all of the trails.

The Stark Varg e-moto is here & a full supercross ready platform that's DEAD SILENT.

I've already had kids rip by me on trail using Strider full electric motos. Those kids aren't going back to pedal bikes as they get older. Electric motor tech is way past that foolish and naive "Class 1" notion & the riders don't give one crap about any rule anywhere.

People want toys. Then they want bigger toys. And these aren't jet skis on a small lake. E-motos & e-mopeds....they just disappear in the forest if you try to catch them.

We're so far gone
please take your „problems with e-bikes discussion“ to another thread! it‘s about new tech in hear, thx.
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styriabeef 7/6/2022 10:11am
7/6/2022 10:11am
Yes, it's happening. I was against it, now that I have one and I use it to my advantage. F#ck negativity, and put your energy into trail stewardship or to persuade manufacturers to put money into financing trail and land access. Don't rant in a forum where no one is part of the group you're ranting about. Go out and ride your bike, or eBike.
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sspomer 7/6/2022 10:29am
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krabo83 wrote:
please take your „problems with e-bikes discussion“ to another thread! it‘s about new tech in hear, thx.
this. posts going into the weeds of ebike acceptance or denial we be nuked from this thread.
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bulletbass man 7/6/2022 10:45am
7/6/2022 10:45am
krabo83 wrote:
please take your „problems with e-bikes discussion“ to another thread! it‘s about new tech in hear, thx.
sspomer wrote:
this. posts going into the weeds of ebike acceptance or denial we be nuked from this thread.
https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/Downsides-of-ebikes-and-what-…

Made a thread to discuss it here if anyone has something more to say.
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LookinForIt 7/6/2022 5:24pm
7/6/2022 5:24pm
sspomer wrote:
pit bits 1 photos from lenzerheide https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/PIT-BITS-1-Lenzerheide-World-Cup-DH,13700/Dominions-new-4-piston-T4,152470/sspomer,2 [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/07/06/12685/s1200_Drops_7_7_Dominions_new_4_piston_T4_2.jpg[/img]
pit bits 1 photos from lenzerheide
https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/PIT-BITS-1-Lenzerheide-World-C…

My favourite part of WC weekends, the pit bits!

Looking forwards to the TRP drivetrain becoming public!
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millsr4 7/6/2022 5:32pm
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That other site released a video on new DH bikes in Lenzerheide and flashed this image while talking about the new Demo.


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JamesR_2026 7/6/2022 7:38pm
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JamesR_2026 wrote:
New Forbidden DH bike to be revealed at Lenzerheide? Connor says "stoked to get some time on the big bike before flying off to Switzerland on...
New Forbidden DH bike to be revealed at Lenzerheide?
Connor says "stoked to get some time on the big bike before flying off to Switzerland on Monday" in his latest insta post
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cfh0PuwJYQ7/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
So um, I was right about this last week.
New Forbidden DH bike being revealed at Lenzerheide!
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jonkranked 7/6/2022 7:42pm
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sspomer wrote:
pit bits 1 photos from lenzerheide https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/PIT-BITS-1-Lenzerheide-World-Cup-DH,13700/Dominions-new-4-piston-T4,152470/sspomer,2 [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/07/06/12685/s1200_Drops_7_7_Dominions_new_4_piston_T4_2.jpg[/img]
pit bits 1 photos from lenzerheide
https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/PIT-BITS-1-Lenzerheide-World-C…

LookinForIt wrote:
My favourite part of WC weekends, the pit bits!

Looking forwards to the TRP drivetrain becoming public!
still no new saint.
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carlinojoevideo 7/6/2022 8:31pm
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millsr4 wrote:
That other site released a video on new DH bikes in Lenzerheide and flashed this image while talking about the new Demo. [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/07/06/12686/s1200_Capture.jpg[/img]
That other site released a video on new DH bikes in Lenzerheide and flashed this image while talking about the new Demo.


That looks like the standard demo.

Much different than this

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millsr4 wrote:
That other site released a video on new DH bikes in Lenzerheide and flashed this image while talking about the new Demo. [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/07/06/12686/s1200_Capture.jpg[/img]
That other site released a video on new DH bikes in Lenzerheide and flashed this image while talking about the new Demo.


That's the current one.
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O1D4 7/6/2022 9:41pm
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the other site also has one shot of the new Forbidden DH bike...
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TimBud 7/6/2022 10:15pm
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O1D4 wrote:
the other site also has one shot of the new Forbidden DH bike...
Posted it for you
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TheShortestCharles 7/6/2022 11:00pm
7/6/2022 11:00pm
Looks like an inverted Horst-link similar to the Range or old Darkmatter, but with the lower link pivoting above the BB.
Martin_Prophet 7/6/2022 11:11pm
7/6/2022 11:11pm
millsr4 wrote:
That other site released a video on new DH bikes in Lenzerheide and flashed this image while talking about the new Demo. [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/07/06/12686/s1200_Capture.jpg[/img]
That other site released a video on new DH bikes in Lenzerheide and flashed this image while talking about the new Demo.


carlinojoevideo wrote:
That looks like the standard demo. Much different than this [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/07/06/12687/s1200_184B12BF_C5E5_461A_902F_AE0A9B43AA56.jpg[/img]
That looks like the standard demo.

Much different than this

Finn will running the new Demo this Weekend
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