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Sonofbovril2 3/10/2022 5:56am
3/10/2022 5:56am
Brevard_Bikewrench wrote:
Surprised no one has noticed some tweaks to the session the TFR team is on. The idler is now in plain sight, and no longer has...
Surprised no one has noticed some tweaks to the session the TFR team is on. The idler is now in plain sight, and no longer has the chain stay on both sides. Hopefully this will fix some of the chain drop issues!

Speaking of chains dropping, apparently under hard riding, the Jekyll is horrible in the chain retention department. Mitch dropped a chain at the Ironton BME resulting in a DNF. Wonder if anyone has thought to put a full lower guide on?

Some are already ahead of the curve with regards to the lower guide...

https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/users/44569/photos/149607/s1600_Neko_Mulally_s_custom_rig.jpg
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Sonofbovril2 3/10/2022 6:02am
3/10/2022 6:02am
sspomer wrote:
seth sherlock's prototype intense from windrock today. [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12150/s1200_B0E2937A_AF78_4310_AEB7_3C6FFEF27D7F.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12149/s1200_02B798E7_A427_4081_9E6A_90FB6D40A21C.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12147/s1200_FBB9BEC5_252D_4734_8F22_88A095CFF682.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12148/s1200_1E45E505_8053_42F7_8C64_18B22FC324E1.jpg[/img]
seth sherlock's prototype intense from windrock today.





stoic_machine wrote:
Can someone push on the seat and make a video please. I feel if Ellsworth made a DH bike it would look similar.
Can someone push on the seat and make a video please. I feel if Ellsworth made a DH bike it would look similar.
I'm guessing the long front part of that rocker link is to reduce the leverage ratio and allow the use of a longer stroke shock for more control over the damping? That upper shock eyelet will see a lot of pivot rotation though...
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Jason_Schroeder 3/10/2022 6:23am
3/10/2022 6:23am
Hot off the press, more details of the Intense prototype





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dolface 3/10/2022 6:35am
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stoic_machine wrote:
Can someone push on the seat and make a video please. I feel if Ellsworth made a DH bike it would look similar.
Can someone push on the seat and make a video please. I feel if Ellsworth made a DH bike it would look similar.
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Primoz 3/10/2022 6:37am
3/10/2022 6:37am Edited Date/Time 3/10/2022 6:43am
RiderMikeCheck1 wrote:
Wonder if Jeff is going with non-ideal super high pivot so he can avoid patents? Where Neko is running the I-track pivot since he's not a...
Wonder if Jeff is going with non-ideal super high pivot so he can avoid patents? Where Neko is running the I-track pivot since he's not a retail company they let him borrow the design. Jeff has to play by different rules and probably doesn't want to license anything so he's stuck with a too-high high-pivot with a 8" long rocker haha.

Also, scary that this is still a 'work in progress' frame this far along. Jeff's instagram post said "this project making good progress". Not something you really want to be saying a couple weeks before the world cup season. That's something you post in November or December. haha.

Primoz wrote:
I-track does not deal with pivot height. The I-track patent covers having the idler on a suspension member that is not the front triangle or the...
I-track does not deal with pivot height. The I-track patent covers having the idler on a suspension member that is not the front triangle or the swingarm in the case of a single pivot design. So it covers link mounted idlers on 4 and 6-bar suspension designs.

Having the idler concentric to one of the pivots on the front triangle if I recall correctly means it's 'frame mounted', as is the case with the Range.
Krispy wrote:
It looks like the idler on the Intense is attached to the swing arm so it would be I Track?
As noted regarding the Range, not if it's concentric to the pivot. It's hard to determine if it is or if it's not from the images we have.

As for the rocker, I'm guessing the rocker will be basically perpendicular to the shock and more or less to the chainstay too at full squish (or quite near perpendicular for all intents and purposes). Add to that peak load of a bottom out and you're loading the rocker immensely, with all that load (in tension) going through what appears to be very little material under the bolt.

Hopefully there's more material than there appears to be, but like I mentioned, I wouldn't be surprised if there were some failures down the line...

And all it would need to improve things would be to draw a straight line over the pivot area and not have it S-shaped...
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jonkranked 3/10/2022 7:31am
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mntnmrtn wrote:
Is that a proto TRP or E Thirteen drivetrain too ? I don't recall seeing those cranks anywhere yet.
my guess would be TRP, derailleur looks like it has the hall lock lever. i've heard they're working on cranks too.
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mixmastamikal 3/10/2022 8:14am
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Shout out to PHcross for the rendering. Not bad at all given what you had to work with.



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sspomer wrote:
seth sherlock's prototype intense from windrock today. [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12150/s1200_B0E2937A_AF78_4310_AEB7_3C6FFEF27D7F.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12149/s1200_02B798E7_A427_4081_9E6A_90FB6D40A21C.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12147/s1200_FBB9BEC5_252D_4734_8F22_88A095CFF682.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/09/12148/s1200_1E45E505_8053_42F7_8C64_18B22FC324E1.jpg[/img]
seth sherlock's prototype intense from windrock today.





Is that a new E13 crank?
bikeboardorblade 3/10/2022 10:39am
3/10/2022 10:39am
Zuestman wrote:
Is that a new E13 crank?
Are there pinch bolts? E13 has a strange affinity for pinch bolts
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matmattmatthew 3/10/2022 10:40am
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I'm no engineer, but that top shock mount on the rocker link looks like it will see a ton of rotation. I wonder if they have needle bearings or something to help with friction during rotation. I've run RWC needle bearings on a few bikes and in my experience, there is a tangible benefit.
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Christiaan_van der Laan 3/10/2022 11:33am
3/10/2022 11:33am
aenema wrote:
That rocker link has to be the longest ever and I'm sure won't cause any flex/stress on shock or bolts. Plus it is pretty hideous.
Agree, holy long rocker link batman! the hardware needs fine tuning as well it appears. but at least it is better looking than the M29. Now let's hope the team is fast on them and actually like them, as I got the impression none were really getting along with the previous proto's
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hamncheez2003 3/10/2022 12:07pm
3/10/2022 12:07pm
I can see why Gwin covers his up. Not exactly a looker. Shame, since that Cero m29 was one of the best looking bikes of the last 10 years.
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Shane_Hensley 3/10/2022 12:59pm
3/10/2022 12:59pm
I just love how no matter what INTENSE does you all have some negative comments!!! How about this? How about we wait and see what happens?? What a novel idea!! If INTENSE did nothing you we say "great, another season same bike". If INTENSE creates something new "that thing is hideous and will be shit". How about we at the very least applaud the brand for trying something new? It takes a bold person to step out with a different approach AND this is DH racing, not like DH racing sells bikes? Unless AG, Seth or DAK do really well this weekend, then some of you keyboard warriors will be saying "I knew it would be awesome"......
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Krispy 3/10/2022 1:07pm
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Primoz wrote:
I-track does not deal with pivot height. The I-track patent covers having the idler on a suspension member that is not the front triangle or the...
I-track does not deal with pivot height. The I-track patent covers having the idler on a suspension member that is not the front triangle or the swingarm in the case of a single pivot design. So it covers link mounted idlers on 4 and 6-bar suspension designs.

Having the idler concentric to one of the pivots on the front triangle if I recall correctly means it's 'frame mounted', as is the case with the Range.
Krispy wrote:
It looks like the idler on the Intense is attached to the swing arm so it would be I Track?
Primoz wrote:
As noted regarding the Range, not if it's concentric to the pivot. It's hard to determine if it is or if it's not from the images...
As noted regarding the Range, not if it's concentric to the pivot. It's hard to determine if it is or if it's not from the images we have.

As for the rocker, I'm guessing the rocker will be basically perpendicular to the shock and more or less to the chainstay too at full squish (or quite near perpendicular for all intents and purposes). Add to that peak load of a bottom out and you're loading the rocker immensely, with all that load (in tension) going through what appears to be very little material under the bolt.

Hopefully there's more material than there appears to be, but like I mentioned, I wouldn't be surprised if there were some failures down the line...

And all it would need to improve things would be to draw a straight line over the pivot area and not have it S-shaped...
You can see that the idler is bolted to the swingarm. Not concentric.
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sspomer 3/10/2022 1:11pm
3/10/2022 1:11pm
in the pits today, confirmed it is i-Track. they're waiting on i-Track stickers to arrive, but they'll be on the bikes tonight it sounds like
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Nzdinosaur 3/10/2022 1:47pm
3/10/2022 1:47pm
Awesome they've ditched the vpp, could be the return of great results on Intense again
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creativefletch 3/10/2022 2:04pm
3/10/2022 2:04pm
Literally two posts apart:

"but at least it is better looking than the M29."

"Shame, since that Cero m29 was one of the best looking bikes of the last 10 years"

Beauty is in the eye of the bee holder, or something like that I guess.

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Brevard_Bikewrench 3/10/2022 2:08pm
3/10/2022 2:08pm Edited Date/Time 3/10/2022 2:15pm
Anybody else wondering how the intense team accesses the shock for adjustments? Would be a pain if you have to take the shock off or remove the bottom cover every time you want to fiddle with a rebound knob.
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Shane_Hensley wrote:
I just love how no matter what INTENSE does you all have some negative comments!!! How about this? How about we wait and see what happens...
I just love how no matter what INTENSE does you all have some negative comments!!! How about this? How about we wait and see what happens?? What a novel idea!! If INTENSE did nothing you we say "great, another season same bike". If INTENSE creates something new "that thing is hideous and will be shit". How about we at the very least applaud the brand for trying something new? It takes a bold person to step out with a different approach AND this is DH racing, not like DH racing sells bikes? Unless AG, Seth or DAK do really well this weekend, then some of you keyboard warriors will be saying "I knew it would be awesome"......
Found Jeff's burner account
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Stewyeww 3/10/2022 3:28pm
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Expect to see some new frames for Neko in the next couple days!
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peecee 3/10/2022 4:15pm
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Brook looks like his liking the idler still


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Tim Horton 3/10/2022 4:34pm
3/10/2022 4:34pm
First post.
Somebody mentioned "I'm not an engineer but"

I are engineer, and our FEA says
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Stewyeww 3/10/2022 4:48pm
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Tim Horton wrote:
First post. Somebody mentioned "I'm not an engineer but" I are engineer, and our FEA says [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/10/12162/s1200_Image16.jpg[/img]
First post.
Somebody mentioned "I'm not an engineer but"

I are engineer, and our FEA says
The rocker is actually made out of an old hockey stick
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jason.west.750 3/10/2022 7:56pm
3/10/2022 7:56pm Edited Date/Time 3/10/2022 7:59pm
hamncheez2003 wrote:
I can see why Gwin covers his up. Not exactly a looker. Shame, since that Cero m29 was one of the best looking bikes of the...
I can see why Gwin covers his up. Not exactly a looker. Shame, since that Cero m29 was one of the best looking bikes of the last 10 years.
I think its cool looking! It would be neat if it stays alloy. Intense carbon (other then the Sniper)is gimmicky.
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Karabuka 3/11/2022 2:05am
3/11/2022 2:05am Edited Date/Time 3/11/2022 2:08am


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baronKanon 3/11/2022 2:11am
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Karabuka wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/11/12163/s1200_Screenshot_20220311_065352_Instagram.jpg[/img]


Topaz2 with new graphics?
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peecee 3/11/2022 2:44am
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How big are nekos rotors ? Look bigger than 220mm surely ?

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Primoz 3/11/2022 3:15am
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What a typo with the name :D

I think he mentioned in one of the episodes that it's 240? Or somewhere else maybe? Can't find it to be honest.
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peecee wrote:
How big are nekos rotors ? Look bigger than 220mm surely ? [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/11/12164/s1200_86EFD9A6_3ED0_484A_B69E_C8EA9E560AB2.jpg[/img]
How big are nekos rotors ? Look bigger than 220mm surely ?

They are and don't call me Shirley.
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Brevard_Bikewrench 3/11/2022 5:32am
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peecee wrote:
How big are nekos rotors ? Look bigger than 220mm surely ? [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/11/12164/s1200_86EFD9A6_3ED0_484A_B69E_C8EA9E560AB2.jpg[/img]
How big are nekos rotors ? Look bigger than 220mm surely ?

They’re the 246mm Galfer rotors.
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