Well whatever that unbranded bike is on the new pictures it looks really nice. And given those photos have been taken in some swiss trains/lifts BMC is a possibilty I haven't thought about.
maybe a looong shot but chainstay shape looks a lot like canyon, maybe new strive?
On the most recent pinkbike podcast they mentioned asking BMC if it was theirs and they got a response along the lines of "We can't go into the specifics but we have a new long travel bike coming that's a very new style for us
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A better look at the lower link:
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/02/25/10537/s1200_STFU.jpg[/img]
A better look at the lower link:
Well, there is some kind of logo on the seat tube.
Could be this? Would def fit with the seat tube clamp design / chainstay visual similarity theory?
Might also not be, any other thoughts on triangle shaped logos (assuming its not something as simple as a size sticker)
Well, there is some kind of logo on the seat tube.
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/02/26/10541/s1200_Screen_Shot_2021_02_26_at_3.20.40_PM.jpg[/img]
Could be this? Would def fit with the seat tube clamp design / chainstay...
Well, there is some kind of logo on the seat tube.
Could be this? Would def fit with the seat tube clamp design / chainstay visual similarity theory?
Might also not be, any other thoughts on triangle shaped logos (assuming its not something as simple as a size sticker)
The BMC logo is just 'BMC' italicized, so what you can see could fit the bottom left of the 'B'. That might be a bit too long of a logo for that tube though.
A better look at the lower link:
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/02/25/10537/s1200_STFU.jpg[/img]
A better look at the lower link:
With the longer diagonal upper link and short lower link this actually looks like it could be based on the linkage on an older BMC trail fox (I still have a 2009 in my basement which has a pretty large triangular upper link compared to their newer models). It just has the shock moved to the lower link and the links moved closer together and the upper a bit forward.
Seems pretty obvious that it‘s a BMC as they use pretty much the same suspension layout as Giant do.
The „only“ thing different is the lower link driven shock.
I can‘t see Canyon go this route as their whole lineup uses a classic fourbar design.
This new suspension layout seems to have all the positive characteristics like the lower link VPP designs without infringing the patents from Santacruz.
Also the wheel path through the suspension cycle might be more vertical then on the classic VPP, which might be a big plus.
Patents are also regional, maybe they can be prolonged, etc.?
Anywho, the VPP patent has supposedly run out (I think we discussed it here?), I mentioned DW doesn't design bikes to the wording that is in the patent as far as I've seen, etc. So I guess it's more or less free game
Patents are also regional, maybe they can be prolonged, etc.?
Anywho, the VPP patent has supposedly run out (I think we discussed it here?), I mentioned...
Patents are also regional, maybe they can be prolonged, etc.?
Anywho, the VPP patent has supposedly run out (I think we discussed it here?), I mentioned DW doesn't design bikes to the wording that is in the patent as far as I've seen, etc. So I guess it's more or less free game
patent / IP rules vary from country to country. i remember for a while there was a brand of bikes in the EU that couldn't sell certain models in the US because it would have infringed on the FSR patent, can't remember which one though.
in the US patents cannot be renewed after 20 years. there are circumstances when extensions are granted, but that's typically only when there are delays in the patent review process.
Regarding the fsr, the first Genius from Scott with the pullshock (um... 2004?) was a Horst link and couldn't be sold in the US. They then went single pivot because of that, Canyon didn't have a US presence, etc. That changed as soon as the patent (which was valid only in the US) expired with Scott moving back to horst link (as did Transition among others) and Canyon soon moving to US as well.
Hey Prime Bozz! So is that officially a high pivot Horst link? Or does it become something different when that lower forward pivot migrates up?
Fun...
Hey Prime Bozz! So is that officially a high pivot Horst link? Or does it become something different when that lower forward pivot migrates up?
Fun fact... I got to meet Horst at the AMP shop in So Cal on my way to my first DH race in Laguna in the late nineties. Same trip that I was accused of burglarizing Marzocci.
I know I'm going back in time a bit here both in the forum and IRL, but what's with the Marzocchi story? Those guys probly burglarized themselves...
SRAM are developing a mechanical anti-dive/pitch/endo system, where the bike has a dual-use lever that sends fluid to a rear caliper, and the rear caliper sends fluid to the front caliper. The new part here is that the rear caliper pivots. When the pads grab the rotor, the caliper is sent forward and a little valve hits a bumper to open and close a valve to allow fluid flow to the front caliper. Then the bike starts to pitch forward and the rear tire comes off the ground, the back tire stops spinning and the rear caliper goes back to it's static state, which cuts off fluid flow to the front caliper by not touching the bumper, then the front caliper lets the front rotor go, and the back tire comes nicely back to the ground. I expect this will be geared more toward beginner-style bikes or E-bike folks, but it's pretty nifty. Check out the article. You can just skip to the 'what' part if you want the details.
Seems pretty obvious that it‘s a BMC as they use pretty much the same suspension layout as Giant do.
The „only“ thing different is the lower...
Seems pretty obvious that it‘s a BMC as they use pretty much the same suspension layout as Giant do.
The „only“ thing different is the lower link driven shock.
I can‘t see Canyon go this route as their whole lineup uses a classic fourbar design.
This new suspension layout seems to have all the positive characteristics like the lower link VPP designs without infringing the patents from Santacruz.
Also the wheel path through the suspension cycle might be more vertical then on the classic VPP, which might be a big plus.
VPP patent expired a few years back. Diamondback now has a version of it in the market and Intense now still uses the design but doesn’t market it as VPP anymore (JS Tuned).
VPP patent expired a few years back. Diamondback now has a version of it in the market and Intense now still uses the design but doesn’t...
VPP patent expired a few years back. Diamondback now has a version of it in the market and Intense now still uses the design but doesn’t market it as VPP anymore (JS Tuned).
I didn't know that it expired. Good to know.
But anyways, the new design from BMC(?) looks promising.
Grabbed a few screenshots from that [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhrXiuiJkjQ&feature=emb_title]Vanzacs cornering clinic [/url] of the upcoming Norco that's been popping up for a while. The video's 720p, so still...
Grabbed a few screenshots from that Vanzacs cornering clinic of the upcoming Norco that's been popping up for a while. The video's 720p, so still not exactly high-res, but I figured I might as well post them. Definitely seems a 'park edition' of the next Range, similar to what they did with the Shore (I'm thinking 180/170 travel on the park model versus 170/160 on the regular one).
Just curious, is there any evidence that the new Norco is actually the new Sight/Range etc and not just the new DH bike?
It seems to be almost always run with a DC fork and by their DH team, and Jesse Melamed mentioned in the most recent Downtime Podcast that the Norco guys were running the "new DH bike" at the Crankworx summer series last year (although he obviously doesn't ride for Norco and may not know anymore than anyone else).
So yeah, is there anything to suggest that its not the new Aurum, or are we just basing the assumption that it's a Sight/Range on the fact that the first photo of it was with a SC fork?
The frame has water bottle mounts, the seat tube also looks reasonably steep, the current Range has been around for a while and all of their new models got a slight travel increase. But you're right, I don't recall seeing some (if any) photos of it with a sc fork. At this point they might be delaying the release to the model year 2022.
Blackbox Zeb on Sam's Giga. Old one from before release or what?
Funny how they've edited the steerer creaking out of the raw audio. I thought that was a feature? At least it has been on both steerers I have had.
Could be a thing of parts shortage and Sam running what he has available.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CLdp6FcBpRV/?igshid=1k06vrgpfz4ci
Could be this? Would def fit with the seat tube clamp design / chainstay visual similarity theory?
Might also not be, any other thoughts on triangle shaped logos (assuming its not something as simple as a size sticker)
The „only“ thing different is the lower link driven shock.
I can‘t see Canyon go this route as their whole lineup uses a classic fourbar design.
This new suspension layout seems to have all the positive characteristics like the lower link VPP designs without infringing the patents from Santacruz.
Also the wheel path through the suspension cycle might be more vertical then on the classic VPP, which might be a big plus.
Anywho, the VPP patent has supposedly run out (I think we discussed it here?), I mentioned DW doesn't design bikes to the wording that is in the patent as far as I've seen, etc. So I guess it's more or less free game
edit: patents filed prior to 1995 were valid 17 years from date of issuance.
in the US patents cannot be renewed after 20 years. there are circumstances when extensions are granted, but that's typically only when there are delays in the patent review process.
https://wheelbased.com/2021/02/25/braking-system-for-a-bicycle-by-sram/
But anyways, the new design from BMC(?) looks promising.
It seems to be almost always run with a DC fork and by their DH team, and Jesse Melamed mentioned in the most recent Downtime Podcast that the Norco guys were running the "new DH bike" at the Crankworx summer series last year (although he obviously doesn't ride for Norco and may not know anymore than anyone else).
So yeah, is there anything to suggest that its not the new Aurum, or are we just basing the assumption that it's a Sight/Range on the fact that the first photo of it was with a SC fork?