Sorry to burst your bubble, but the true F1 of cycling is triathlon. It's almost unlimited in what they can design. DH is a rally series at best (something along the lines of R5 or even lower, old Group N/S2000 category for example) and, like I said previously, will be until we get back to the days of Honda RN-01 and Nico Vouilloz's crazy one-offs. Then we could say it's the F1 of our sport, at least somewhat.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the true F1 of cycling is triathlon. It's almost unlimited in what they can design. DH is a rally series...
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the true F1 of cycling is triathlon. It's almost unlimited in what they can design. DH is a rally series at best (something along the lines of R5 or even lower, old Group N/S2000 category for example) and, like I said previously, will be until we get back to the days of Honda RN-01 and Nico Vouilloz's crazy one-offs. Then we could say it's the F1 of our sport, at least somewhat.
Triathletes are not Cyclists. TT Riders are maybe being referred to? 'Cause it's the Running / Swimming aspect of Tri seeming a bit of a stretch
F1 fever-dreams have run their course - utter nonsense.
Licensing requirements, limitations upon part inventory per season, testing restrictions, curfew requirements, mandated materials and strict dimension figures, tire usage limits, outside supplier limits, entry fee budget requirements, weigh-ins post qualifying, post race, and lastly mandated parts w/ mandated ride heights.
So, still in the context of the direction insisted to be the discipline/sports only future is the intentional omission of small brands only to elevate cost, disproportionate to any real need to consumers.
Urlpls. Seriously. There was talk of 50 enduro bikes for every DH bikes sold from 'one of the big brands in the industry' quite a while...
Urlpls. Seriously. There was talk of 50 enduro bikes for every DH bikes sold from 'one of the big brands in the industry' quite a while ago, but 500?? Worldwide?! That's insane, seriously. I mean I see no point in owning a DH bike (when my trail/enduro/whatever-that-pedals can do bikeparks), but I didn't think it's THAT bad.
I know that another brand with an on-going strong multi-year world cup presence sell under 800 of their DH bikes a year globally. It's not a...
I know that another brand with an on-going strong multi-year world cup presence sell under 800 of their DH bikes a year globally. It's not a big category of business. They spend the $$ on the program as they believe it helps their brand and keeps the enduro and other bikes moving. F1 is a good analogy - custom high dollar program that creates a halo around the more commercial products. Source - brand COO.
I would guess that most brands sell more DH bikes as rental fleet filler than to individual customers.
I am also very curious about Marshy, as he is a very likeable guy and the Syndicate like a family. When I read about his retirement, I thought he was tired of the circuit life, but apparently not... Probably the man has bills to pay and royalties from fenders aren't as big as those on Led Zep songs...
The Syndicate from the outside looks like a dream team to be a part of. It's very different internally!
Mechanics are some of the lowest paid on the circuit, shit expenses, sorting your own flights and logistics. Shit, if i remember correctly at one point the mechanics were getting paid by the riders they were wrenching for. I can see why Marshy had enough
The Syndicate from the outside looks like a dream team to be a part of. It's very different internally!
Mechanics are some of the lowest paid...
The Syndicate from the outside looks like a dream team to be a part of. It's very different internally!
Mechanics are some of the lowest paid on the circuit, shit expenses, sorting your own flights and logistics. Shit, if i remember correctly at one point the mechanics were getting paid by the riders they were wrenching for. I can see why Marshy had enough
The Syndicate from the outside looks like a dream team to be a part of. It's very different internally!
Mechanics are some of the lowest paid...
The Syndicate from the outside looks like a dream team to be a part of. It's very different internally!
Mechanics are some of the lowest paid on the circuit, shit expenses, sorting your own flights and logistics. Shit, if i remember correctly at one point the mechanics were getting paid by the riders they were wrenching for. I can see why Marshy had enough
How do you know that? Don’t just talk out of your ass to start shit. If he wasn’t treated well I don’t think he would have stuck with them for 2 decades! Also it isn’t too uncommon for the riders to pay for mechanics... look at Aaron Gwin and John Hall just to mention one. I think the reason Marshy left is because Douggie left too! Douggie is still working in the background but not as a mechanic so maybe Marshy was seeking for some change! Although I have noticed his departure was quite sudden.
The Syndicate from the outside looks like a dream team to be a part of. It's very different internally!
Mechanics are some of the lowest paid...
The Syndicate from the outside looks like a dream team to be a part of. It's very different internally!
Mechanics are some of the lowest paid on the circuit, shit expenses, sorting your own flights and logistics. Shit, if i remember correctly at one point the mechanics were getting paid by the riders they were wrenching for. I can see why Marshy had enough
That seems odd considering they've had guys like Marshy and Doug on the team for a long time...
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the true F1 of cycling is triathlon. It's almost unlimited in what they can design. DH is a rally series...
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the true F1 of cycling is triathlon. It's almost unlimited in what they can design. DH is a rally series at best (something along the lines of R5 or even lower, old Group N/S2000 category for example) and, like I said previously, will be until we get back to the days of Honda RN-01 and Nico Vouilloz's crazy one-offs. Then we could say it's the F1 of our sport, at least somewhat.
Hmmm, fundamentally, I disagree with all of your comments here.
Road bikes, in reality, haven't really changed in the last decade or two. Alongside that, the interest and engagement with the top triathletes is *not as high* across social media as the really top downhill riders. So, let's pick apart what you've said.
1) "It's almost unlimited what they can design" > Incorrect. They're pretty much bound by UCI rules, which have a minimum weight limit for starts. https://www.triathlon.org/uploads/docs/itusport_competition-rules_2017…
2) The WRC is the highest level of production car racing in the world. Toyota have just built a car SPECIFICALLY to then race. R5 rules are still based on a production chassis. In downhill, there are no homologation rules. You don't have to sell any, and you can modify the frame however you want.
3) F1 is also bound by VERY tight technical rules. Yes, Mercedes are the fastest. But, even the average fan couldn't tell the different between cars if you took the liveries off.
As far as I see it, Mountain biking is hitting the part of the curve where all the gains are fairly marginal. The grim donut from the pink site was very interesting, but again, that was on one track and wasn't vs a downhill bike. F1 is about being creative within the rules and finding an advantage. We're never going to truly see that in downhill because the budget isn't (thankfully) 200million€ plus per year. However, teams and manufacturers can push the boundaries, try new things and it's still THE biggest and most watched race series in the world of mountain biking. Enduro will never come close based on its current format.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the true F1 of cycling is triathlon. It's almost unlimited in what they can design. DH is a rally series...
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the true F1 of cycling is triathlon. It's almost unlimited in what they can design. DH is a rally series at best (something along the lines of R5 or even lower, old Group N/S2000 category for example) and, like I said previously, will be until we get back to the days of Honda RN-01 and Nico Vouilloz's crazy one-offs. Then we could say it's the F1 of our sport, at least somewhat.
Hmmm, fundamentally, I disagree with all of your comments here.
Road bikes, in reality, haven't really changed in the last decade or two. Alongside that, the...
Hmmm, fundamentally, I disagree with all of your comments here.
Road bikes, in reality, haven't really changed in the last decade or two. Alongside that, the interest and engagement with the top triathletes is *not as high* across social media as the really top downhill riders. So, let's pick apart what you've said.
1) "It's almost unlimited what they can design" > Incorrect. They're pretty much bound by UCI rules, which have a minimum weight limit for starts. https://www.triathlon.org/uploads/docs/itusport_competition-rules_2017…
2) The WRC is the highest level of production car racing in the world. Toyota have just built a car SPECIFICALLY to then race. R5 rules are still based on a production chassis. In downhill, there are no homologation rules. You don't have to sell any, and you can modify the frame however you want.
3) F1 is also bound by VERY tight technical rules. Yes, Mercedes are the fastest. But, even the average fan couldn't tell the different between cars if you took the liveries off.
As far as I see it, Mountain biking is hitting the part of the curve where all the gains are fairly marginal. The grim donut from the pink site was very interesting, but again, that was on one track and wasn't vs a downhill bike. F1 is about being creative within the rules and finding an advantage. We're never going to truly see that in downhill because the budget isn't (thankfully) 200million€ plus per year. However, teams and manufacturers can push the boundaries, try new things and it's still THE biggest and most watched race series in the world of mountain biking. Enduro will never come close based on its current format.
(Yes, I work on the fringes of F1).
Replace the dh bikes with enduro bikes and nothing will change. This sport isn't model bike dependent, at least in my personal opinion.
Considering the global sales of dh bikes, maybe they actually should change them.
I had a long answer written regarding the three points, but we're way off topic here. And there's a DH sales numbers thread opened already, maybe this debate would fit there better.
As for the points, I was aiming purely at the technology and uniqueness of the categories, not at the athletes, spectators and the like. And we've been over this, DH race bikes do have to be sold, it's in the UCI rules.
I thought the same but then remembered that he left Lapierre to get out from under Bruni's shadow. If Minnaar hasn't made plans to retire I...
I thought the same but then remembered that he left Lapierre to get out from under Bruni's shadow. If Minnaar hasn't made plans to retire I can see Vergier wanting to move somewhere he can be top dog.
You mean Specialized right? Loris was on the gravity team with Loic and Finn that first season after Lapierre before he went to Santa Cruz
I had a feeling over the last few weeks of racing that might be the case. She's fought pretty hard the last few years to keep up to pompom, Rach and tahnee that with the new gen of top five ladies heating up it might be too much. The last few weeks of women's racing have been the best in recent memory with many from the top 10 putting down amazing runs and sending it.
Hart to a new Polygon team? their bike is the Xquareone (square one - warner made a square comment during commentating). with tracey no longer racing WC's Polygon may want a WC racer. unsure about Mick, but he's been racing a long time too. edit: sounds like she's staying with UR racing, who has multiple frame sponsors over the years, but no confirmation if they will continue with Polygon.
Hart to a new Polygon team? their bike is the Xquareone (square one - warner made a square comment during commentating). with tracey no longer racing...
Hart to a new Polygon team? their bike is the Xquareone (square one - warner made a square comment during commentating). with tracey no longer racing WC's Polygon may want a WC racer. unsure about Mick, but he's been racing a long time too. edit: sounds like she's staying with UR racing, who has multiple frame sponsors over the years, but no confirmation if they will continue with Polygon.
I think most people are taking Warner’s Square team comment to mean Cube..
maybe his square comment was a link to the pythagoras theorem. you know, the 2 sides of a rectengular triangle squared equals the third side squared. so the comment was meant for the triangle of the commencals rear end.
Hart to a new Polygon team? their bike is the Xquareone (square one - warner made a square comment during commentating). with tracey no longer racing...
Hart to a new Polygon team? their bike is the Xquareone (square one - warner made a square comment during commentating). with tracey no longer racing WC's Polygon may want a WC racer. unsure about Mick, but he's been racing a long time too. edit: sounds like she's staying with UR racing, who has multiple frame sponsors over the years, but no confirmation if they will continue with Polygon.
I think most people are taking Warner’s Square team comment to mean Cube..
agreed that was the obvious one at first, but in light of this development it's a possibility. a square is a polygon too, so it could be interpreted either way.
The only other thought on Hart was the comment he made on WynTv where he said "the futures bright" which was an advertising line for the Orange mobile network in the UK (the futures bright, the futures Orange) and there logo was an orange square - so might mean a move to Orange?? A bit left field I guess but who knows!!!
The only other thought on Hart was the comment he made on WynTv where he said "the futures bright" which was an advertising line for the...
The only other thought on Hart was the comment he made on WynTv where he said "the futures bright" which was an advertising line for the Orange mobile network in the UK (the futures bright, the futures Orange) and there logo was an orange square - so might mean a move to Orange?? A bit left field I guess but who knows!!!
That would be awesome to see Orange back at the world cups and with a British rider!
F1 fever-dreams have run their course - utter nonsense.
Licensing requirements, limitations upon part inventory per season, testing restrictions, curfew requirements, mandated materials and strict dimension figures, tire usage limits, outside supplier limits, entry fee budget requirements, weigh-ins post qualifying, post race, and lastly mandated parts w/ mandated ride heights.
So, still in the context of the direction insisted to be the discipline/sports only future is the intentional omission of small brands only to elevate cost, disproportionate to any real need to consumers.
This year he was doing stuff with Commencal Muc off, then I swear I saw him working on a Pivot in a video recently.
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Mechanics are some of the lowest paid on the circuit, shit expenses, sorting your own flights and logistics. Shit, if i remember correctly at one point the mechanics were getting paid by the riders they were wrenching for. I can see why Marshy had enough
Road bikes, in reality, haven't really changed in the last decade or two. Alongside that, the interest and engagement with the top triathletes is *not as high* across social media as the really top downhill riders. So, let's pick apart what you've said.
1) "It's almost unlimited what they can design" > Incorrect. They're pretty much bound by UCI rules, which have a minimum weight limit for starts. https://www.triathlon.org/uploads/docs/itusport_competition-rules_2017…
2) The WRC is the highest level of production car racing in the world. Toyota have just built a car SPECIFICALLY to then race. R5 rules are still based on a production chassis. In downhill, there are no homologation rules. You don't have to sell any, and you can modify the frame however you want.
3) F1 is also bound by VERY tight technical rules. Yes, Mercedes are the fastest. But, even the average fan couldn't tell the different between cars if you took the liveries off.
As far as I see it, Mountain biking is hitting the part of the curve where all the gains are fairly marginal. The grim donut from the pink site was very interesting, but again, that was on one track and wasn't vs a downhill bike. F1 is about being creative within the rules and finding an advantage. We're never going to truly see that in downhill because the budget isn't (thankfully) 200million€ plus per year. However, teams and manufacturers can push the boundaries, try new things and it's still THE biggest and most watched race series in the world of mountain biking. Enduro will never come close based on its current format.
(Yes, I work on the fringes of F1).
Considering the global sales of dh bikes, maybe they actually should change them.
As for the points, I was aiming purely at the technology and uniqueness of the categories, not at the athletes, spectators and the like. And we've been over this, DH race bikes do have to be sold, it's in the UCI rules.
Can remember some pretty cool riddles.. This Square comment have got som pretty interesting takes. Makes me miss the rumorRidler
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