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I find the whoop sponsorship ironic, since the HR data on the broadcasts to showcase how inaccurate Whoop is.  It is possible Bruni has a HR...

I find the whoop sponsorship ironic, since the HR data on the broadcasts to showcase how inaccurate Whoop is. 

It is possible Bruni has a HR of 150bpm 3/4 of the way through a DH race run, but highly unlikely. 

Elite DH racers do hit pretty high HR numbers. Source

A-The-heart-rate-distribution-of-elite-mountain-bike-downhill-racers-during-a

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Vital MTB forumites: MTB needs outside sponsorship!

Whoop sponsors WC MTB.

Also Vital MTB forumites: Not like THAT!

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I find the whoop sponsorship ironic, since the HR data on the broadcasts to showcase how inaccurate Whoop is.  It is possible Bruni has a HR...

I find the whoop sponsorship ironic, since the HR data on the broadcasts to showcase how inaccurate Whoop is. 

It is possible Bruni has a HR of 150bpm 3/4 of the way through a DH race run, but highly unlikely. 

pinkrobe wrote:
Elite DH racers do hit pretty high HR numbers. Source

Elite DH racers do hit pretty high HR numbers. Source

A-The-heart-rate-distribution-of-elite-mountain-bike-downhill-racers-during-a

I think his comment was more that 150bpm would be erroneously low. 

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I find the whoop sponsorship ironic, since the HR data on the broadcasts to showcase how inaccurate Whoop is.  It is possible Bruni has a HR...

I find the whoop sponsorship ironic, since the HR data on the broadcasts to showcase how inaccurate Whoop is. 

It is possible Bruni has a HR of 150bpm 3/4 of the way through a DH race run, but highly unlikely. 

Came to say this exact thing. It just made them look stupid whenever they put up rider's HR data, which was either 1) inaccurate or 2) non-dramatic.

 

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jonkranked wrote:

Wonder if/how this will impact the teams sponsored by Garmin

Same impact the Vittoria sponsorship had on Maxxis or schwalbe riders/teams. Zero

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dolface wrote:

Vital MTB forumites: MTB needs outside sponsorship!

Whoop sponsors WC MTB.

Also Vital MTB forumites: Not like THAT!

This.

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I find the whoop sponsorship ironic, since the HR data on the broadcasts to showcase how inaccurate Whoop is.  It is possible Bruni has a HR...

I find the whoop sponsorship ironic, since the HR data on the broadcasts to showcase how inaccurate Whoop is. 

It is possible Bruni has a HR of 150bpm 3/4 of the way through a DH race run, but highly unlikely. 

Much of the HR data they showed throughout the season (DH & XC) was inaccurate. It was pretty laughable. 

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2/20/2024 11:19am

"Loic is really redlining in this section. All the way up to... let's look at the Whoop window... 140 beats per minute!"

 

"Ummm... is he racing mountain bikes at the pinnacle of the sport or going for a jog, Cedric?"

 

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2/20/2024 11:37am Edited Date/Time 2/20/2024 11:38am
I find the whoop sponsorship ironic, since the HR data on the broadcasts to showcase how inaccurate Whoop is.  It is possible Bruni has a HR...

I find the whoop sponsorship ironic, since the HR data on the broadcasts to showcase how inaccurate Whoop is. 

It is possible Bruni has a HR of 150bpm 3/4 of the way through a DH race run, but highly unlikely. 

I was thinking that all last season. If you compare his and Finn's HR either Bruni's a freak or the product is a complete waste of time.

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2/20/2024 12:27pm

Look. Mercedes have some clunkers and you guys were never hot enough to wear Diesel. WHOOP and WBD didn’t work live, and would be uninteresting even if it did, and it seems too close to the bro science / supplement crowd…but that’s mountain bikers so yeah…they’re a billion dollar company, and that’s all that matter. Let’s watch the trickledown trickle down! 
(…my WHOOP just alerted me to stop holding my breath)

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Much of the HR data they showed throughout the season (DH & XC) was inaccurate. It was pretty laughable. 

That appears to be a trend with them. In googling their hardware struggles with accuracy for high intensity short duration activities. 

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2/20/2024 1:07pm

Before I jump in and hate on the WHOOP thing, I need to go back and see if I was a fan of anything else with spectacularly stupid title sponsors in the past.....I love computers and data but after never hearing of the company until a couple of hours ago it does appear that they encompass all of the worst aspects of modern tech, so yeah......not optimistic

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2/20/2024 1:45pm

New #USDH series coming this year - Southwest Downhill Series!

February 20th, 2024 – The all new Southwest Downhill Series has announced their 2024 race schedule. The downhill-specific series aims to provide an elevated level of regional racing in the Southwestern U.S. and will serve as the premier outlet for amateur competition in the region. All Southwest Downhill events are USA Cycling sanctioned and designed to prepare athletes for national level competition.

2024 Southwest Downhill Series:

Snow Valley Resort, Running Springs | June 7-9

China Peak Mountain Resort, Lakeshore | July 12-14

Snow Valley Resort, Running Springs | August 9-11

Vailocity Bike Park, Temecula | September 13-15

“Our goal with this series is to prioritize athlete experience above all else. We want to produce races that give athletes the upward mobility close to home that I wish was available during the early stages of my DH career. Other downhill regional series such as the NW Cup, DH Rockies, and Downhill Southeast all do a great job promoting the sport in their regions. The Southwest needs its own elevated downhill series and I am thrilled to finally bring this to life. See you at the races!” – Steven Walton, Series Director

For the latest Southwest Downhill Series news, visit our website and follow long on Instagram or soutwestDH.com

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2/20/2024 1:59pm
Ceecee wrote:

Big whoop

I was coming to say that if no one else had 🤣

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2/20/2024 2:54pm Edited Date/Time 2/20/2024 2:57pm

awesome, now all american dh needs is a sanctioned dh series north of the Mason Dixon line.   Somehow UsOpen is the only sanctioned race in the entire Northeast?

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2/20/2024 5:17pm
I find the whoop sponsorship ironic, since the HR data on the broadcasts to showcase how inaccurate Whoop is.  It is possible Bruni has a HR...

I find the whoop sponsorship ironic, since the HR data on the broadcasts to showcase how inaccurate Whoop is. 

It is possible Bruni has a HR of 150bpm 3/4 of the way through a DH race run, but highly unlikely. 

pinkrobe wrote:
Elite DH racers do hit pretty high HR numbers. Source

Elite DH racers do hit pretty high HR numbers. Source

A-The-heart-rate-distribution-of-elite-mountain-bike-downhill-racers-during-a

150bpm while on a DH race run seems low.

Assuming Loic has a somewhat normal max HR, I would expect to see more in the 180+ range during or right after a sprint. 

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2/21/2024 3:43am Edited Date/Time 2/21/2024 3:43am
veefour wrote:
I was thinking that all last season. If you compare his and Finn's HR either Bruni's a freak or the product is a complete waste of...

I was thinking that all last season. If you compare his and Finn's HR either Bruni's a freak or the product is a complete waste of time.

 6 times World Champion, 16 World Cup wins and 3 time World Cup overall, I would lean towards the freak side.

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2/21/2024 5:16am Edited Date/Time 2/21/2024 5:24am
veefour wrote:
I was thinking that all last season. If you compare his and Finn's HR either Bruni's a freak or the product is a complete waste of...

I was thinking that all last season. If you compare his and Finn's HR either Bruni's a freak or the product is a complete waste of time.

casey79 wrote:

 6 times World Champion, 16 World Cup wins and 3 time World Cup overall, I would lean towards the freak side.

When he was Finn's age he was 2 x Elite World Champion and had 2 more WC wins, so IMO the gap isn't as big as you're inferring.

I also can't help notice that you tend to fall on the side of defending the UCI on here and the other site, if you don't mind me asking, are you in any way affiliated?

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veefour wrote:
When he was Finn's age he was 2 x Elite World Champion and had 2 more WC wins, so IMO the gap isn't as big as...

When he was Finn's age he was 2 x Elite World Champion and had 2 more WC wins, so IMO the gap isn't as big as you're inferring.

I also can't help notice that you tend to fall on the side of defending the UCI on here and the other site, if you don't mind me asking, are you in any way affiliated?

Bruni will go down as one of the GOAT's, Finn has the potential but time will tell. 

0% affiliated with UCI, Discovery, WB etc. If anything I have more personal and business contacts with non UCI, Disco etc. businesses.

I simply see the constant bashing (some warranted, most not) of the current organisers tiresome and am happy to point out how RB has/had plenty of issues that people ignore.

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dolface wrote:

Vital MTB forumites: MTB needs outside sponsorship!

Whoop sponsors WC MTB.

Also Vital MTB forumites: Not like THAT!

while i agree with the sentiment, this one is a bit of a headscratcher (the whoop sponsorship that is).  i'm not sure what their angle is trying to get into cycling as their hardware lacks core / critical functionality needed for cycling. plus, there are plenty of established players in the wearables / computers space for cycling. 

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2/21/2024 6:46am
dolface wrote:

Vital MTB forumites: MTB needs outside sponsorship!

Whoop sponsors WC MTB.

Also Vital MTB forumites: Not like THAT!

jonkranked wrote:
while i agree with the sentiment, this one is a bit of a headscratcher (the whoop sponsorship that is).  i'm not sure what their angle is...

while i agree with the sentiment, this one is a bit of a headscratcher (the whoop sponsorship that is).  i'm not sure what their angle is trying to get into cycling as their hardware lacks core / critical functionality needed for cycling. plus, there are plenty of established players in the wearables / computers space for cycling. 

I don't think they're trying to get into cycling so much as they're trying to expand their customer base.

IMO their value isn't as a real-time data device, it's as a performance and trend monitor (disclaimer: I have one and that's how I use it) that gives you data on your performance and capacity over time. This makes it easier to figure out how to peak for a given event, factors that contribute to good performance (their sleep-tracking works well for me for this) etc.

Many cyclists are a great customer for this kind of data which is why I think they're they're doing this.

/derail

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With the athletes I coach: I have the majority of the endurance athletes run whoop straps, just to track their sleep and recovery.   They are already paying me a bunch of money every month for my listening and observation skills, and I do value an additional metric to look at total load on the athlete enough to ask these folks to subscribe.  

We use ecg chest straps paired to the athletes power meter head units to monitor and record heart rate info during training and racing.

People with “high performance mindset” can and do often push themselves too hard, and are oblivious to it.  A product that specifically tells ya when to chill out isn’t for “normal” couch bound people- it’s for try-hards who are working too hard on and off the bike and don’t have the presence of mind to take it easy when needed... self-reflection is free, but it’s not a skill that modern society prioritizes.

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veefour wrote:
I was thinking that all last season. If you compare his and Finn's HR either Bruni's a freak or the product is a complete waste of...

I was thinking that all last season. If you compare his and Finn's HR either Bruni's a freak or the product is a complete waste of time.

casey79 wrote:

 6 times World Champion, 16 World Cup wins and 3 time World Cup overall, I would lean towards the freak side.

Y'all are missing something very obvious- Bruni's jersey is SO TIGHT that he can't breathe, and that's why his heartrate is as low as it is...

 

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veefour wrote:
When he was Finn's age he was 2 x Elite World Champion and had 2 more WC wins, so IMO the gap isn't as big as...

When he was Finn's age he was 2 x Elite World Champion and had 2 more WC wins, so IMO the gap isn't as big as you're inferring.

I also can't help notice that you tend to fall on the side of defending the UCI on here and the other site, if you don't mind me asking, are you in any way affiliated?

casey79 wrote:
Bruni will go down as one of the GOAT's, Finn has the potential but time will tell.  0% affiliated with UCI, Discovery, WB etc. If anything...

Bruni will go down as one of the GOAT's, Finn has the potential but time will tell. 

0% affiliated with UCI, Discovery, WB etc. If anything I have more personal and business contacts with non UCI, Disco etc. businesses.

I simply see the constant bashing (some warranted, most not) of the current organisers tiresome and am happy to point out how RB has/had plenty of issues that people ignore.

Which likely proves the idea that people will overlook a ton of issues if the coverage is inexpensive and easy to access (and for some... includes Rob Warner).

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dolface wrote:
I don't think they're trying to get into cycling so much as they're trying to expand their customer base. IMO their value isn't as a real-time...

I don't think they're trying to get into cycling so much as they're trying to expand their customer base.

IMO their value isn't as a real-time data device, it's as a performance and trend monitor (disclaimer: I have one and that's how I use it) that gives you data on your performance and capacity over time. This makes it easier to figure out how to peak for a given event, factors that contribute to good performance (their sleep-tracking works well for me for this) etc.

Many cyclists are a great customer for this kind of data which is why I think they're they're doing this.

/derail

interesting, thanks for sharing.  how do you like it? for cycling do you use it in conjunction with another device (garmin / suunto / wahoo / etc)?  not trying to get too far off track, but i do tend to nerd out on devices & tech. 

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2/21/2024 10:48am
dolface wrote:

Vital MTB forumites: MTB needs outside sponsorship!

Whoop sponsors WC MTB.

Also Vital MTB forumites: Not like THAT!

jonkranked wrote:
while i agree with the sentiment, this one is a bit of a headscratcher (the whoop sponsorship that is).  i'm not sure what their angle is...

while i agree with the sentiment, this one is a bit of a headscratcher (the whoop sponsorship that is).  i'm not sure what their angle is trying to get into cycling as their hardware lacks core / critical functionality needed for cycling. plus, there are plenty of established players in the wearables / computers space for cycling. 

dolface wrote:
I don't think they're trying to get into cycling so much as they're trying to expand their customer base. IMO their value isn't as a real-time...

I don't think they're trying to get into cycling so much as they're trying to expand their customer base.

IMO their value isn't as a real-time data device, it's as a performance and trend monitor (disclaimer: I have one and that's how I use it) that gives you data on your performance and capacity over time. This makes it easier to figure out how to peak for a given event, factors that contribute to good performance (their sleep-tracking works well for me for this) etc.

Many cyclists are a great customer for this kind of data which is why I think they're they're doing this.

/derail

Seconded. I thought Whoop was well known in the cycling world. A ton of people around me have been using them for the past 3 years or so to track all aspects of recovery, they usually pair this with a power meter and base their training around all of that info and make a reference point of data on how to potentially recreate a “good day” numbers wise. 

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2/21/2024 10:59am Edited Date/Time 2/21/2024 11:01am
casey79 wrote:
Bruni will go down as one of the GOAT's, Finn has the potential but time will tell.  0% affiliated with UCI, Discovery, WB etc. If anything...

Bruni will go down as one of the GOAT's, Finn has the potential but time will tell. 

0% affiliated with UCI, Discovery, WB etc. If anything I have more personal and business contacts with non UCI, Disco etc. businesses.

I simply see the constant bashing (some warranted, most not) of the current organisers tiresome and am happy to point out how RB has/had plenty of issues that people ignore.

Thanks for the reply.

For sure RB had some issues, but they were much easier to ignore as it was free.

If you're going to charge for a service it needs to be something worth paying for. IMO WB/D haven't achieved that as yet.

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2/21/2024 11:25am

i might have missed this, but does anyone know why the BME at Rock Creek was suddenly moved to Windrock?

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mickey wrote:
With the athletes I coach: I have the majority of the endurance athletes run whoop straps, just to track their sleep and recovery.   They are...

With the athletes I coach: I have the majority of the endurance athletes run whoop straps, just to track their sleep and recovery.   They are already paying me a bunch of money every month for my listening and observation skills, and I do value an additional metric to look at total load on the athlete enough to ask these folks to subscribe.  

We use ecg chest straps paired to the athletes power meter head units to monitor and record heart rate info during training and racing.

People with “high performance mindset” can and do often push themselves too hard, and are oblivious to it.  A product that specifically tells ya when to chill out isn’t for “normal” couch bound people- it’s for try-hards who are working too hard on and off the bike and don’t have the presence of mind to take it easy when needed... self-reflection is free, but it’s not a skill that modern society prioritizes.

this touches on a relevant aspect - the kind of rider/racer that is willing to invest in coaching services is much more likely to also pay for a monthly subscription than a more casual rider, who is more likely to pony up a one time purchase fee for a piece of hardware (like garmin). 

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veefour wrote:
I was thinking that all last season. If you compare his and Finn's HR either Bruni's a freak or the product is a complete waste of...

I was thinking that all last season. If you compare his and Finn's HR either Bruni's a freak or the product is a complete waste of time.

casey79 wrote:

 6 times World Champion, 16 World Cup wins and 3 time World Cup overall, I would lean towards the freak side.

Losifer wrote:
Y'all are missing something very obvious- Bruni's jersey is SO TIGHT that he can't breathe, and that's why his heartrate is as low as it is...

Y'all are missing something very obvious- Bruni's jersey is SO TIGHT that he can't breathe, and that's why his heartrate is as low as it is...

 

It's the dyneema fibers. He's one fiber away from a heart transplant 

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