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It's always been true that for 'just a few pounds more' you could have a more capable bike, that often ends up being less fun in the real world. Even though I just bought a full power, I quite like the SL category and where it's going. Also the Amflow weights are sort of fantasy. The Avinox motors really never pedal that naturally from everyone I've spoken with. Yes, the reluctor ring provides great traction and a slow ramp up in power, but it still never feels that connected to the rider's input. Furthermore, once the builds are proper, they...

There are some people (including me) who do not want full power tho. I just bought my first e-bike, and after trying the CX5 motor, it was clear to me that full power isn't remotely interesting to me. Where I tried the bike, after 1h of riding I had completed all the trails (6 laps), I wasn't motivated to keep on riding and didn't feel tired (except upper body hehe), and the bike felt like a tank while descending. Not super fun. I'm on the TQ60 (edit: Sight VLT TQ, for those wondering) now and it seems like it the...

Rode the new pivot at a shop over the weekend. I have a g4 levo. The new dji stuff is insanely fast, its only usable on roads. Its like surron response just with pedals. I dont see how something with this much power doesn't create conflict.

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The extra power doesn't appeal to me at all. What i want is a lighter ebike, and I'm happy to put in more effort to achieve it. What is a non-negotiable, is range - I have to have the same range as my full fat brothers. For these reasons, a Fuel+ appeals to me much more than any of these Avinox bikes. Am I missing something? I've not seen any light (sub 45lbs) Avinox ebikes?

the new trek Fuel+ with MX leverage and 205*65 shox give 162mm travel, with TQ 60 , I thinks that it 's the closest bike to your Relay

Just give it a thumb throttle and call it a day. 800% "Assist" is just a joke. When the motor is doing more than 50% of the work you are being pushed. You are cosplaying a cyclist. These bikes shouldn't be called pedal assist, they should be called CosPeds.

What Avinox pulled off is impressive engineering but I would have rather seen them stay in the 90-100 Nm Range and therefore make the motor smaller und lighter. Having a Bosch CX4 bike myself (Canyon Strive:ON) I really don't miss more power but less weight would be really appreciated.

Another review I watched said it's fixed on the M2S, and the M2 is quieter than M1 but not as quiet as the M2S.

a race to the bottom imo.

The Rocky Mountain Instinct Powerplay SL would be worth a look too. Could potentially over-stroke the shock and throw a 170mm fork on there