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If the response on the other site from Propain is any indication that some companies do read these forums, I see no reason to hold back on things we feel strongly about. Seems to have worked in getting Propain to ditch cable tourism. Maybe there's still time for SC to re-tool their moulds and ditch cable suicide.

This makes so much sense. I couldn't figure out who the market was for XT autoshift, but it seems like the big brains at Shimano were using Mick Hannah to race and develop autoshift on the EDR e-bike so they could roll it out later on commuter e-bikes. Checks out. Kinda like the Canyon KISS system- doesn't make sense for actual MTB users, makes a ton of sense for commuter e-bikes and for high-income Germans using expensive e-MTB's as commuter bikes.

Link glide/Cues is down right amazing and the cost of the groups is less than a transmission derailleur. We were having issues with someone blasting through cassettes and one bike brand's high torque output skipping under super heavy loads. Linkglide groups solved those and many other issues this year. My Rootdown is getting linkglide this winter for Christmas so I never have to worry about it again.

Assuming people (especially in this forum) don't buy framesets and swap the parts they already have (and love) is silly lol. Last 8 years building from frames only the drivetrain is the ONE component that has been able to transfer from bike to bike. That's why this feels like a step back. Pay $500-$1000 more for the frame and now you've gotta open your wallet again and drop another rack on a wireless drivetrain that I'm sure is nice, but I can (and will) live without.

I love the mechanical nature of my bikes and understanding how it works. It’s some how less appealing to me when it all goes into a little black box.

You say that, but I pulled a fresh XT 12 speed drivetrain off a bike a month ago in favour of 10 speed deore link glide. 100% I'd pull transmission too, no doubt in my mind.

New Knolly Delirium : https://knollybikes.com/en-ca/products/delirium_g6

Why does everyone in the industry feel a need to make drastic new advancements every 6 months, spend tons of money on R&D which drives up the cost on new products that we didn't really need in the first place so then they have to hopefully force the consumer into having to buy these new products. For example wireless only frames. Just keep producing the same drivetrains that worked and consumers will by replacement cassettes, mechs and chains as needed the tooling is already paid for and the profit margins are higher the longer they are still available to sell...

I think the "Has a proper bike rack and understands the basics of how things work crew" is unfortunately smaller than some bike companies hope or think it is when they're expanding a platform so quickly. I guess I should note, I live in an area that usually has more wallet than understanding so I may be in a minority area, but it hasn't been great so far unless the rider has a greater understanding of what they're using and how to take care of it. And you'd think that would be good for bike shops, but when you have...

Big brands know you were going to buy a Raaw or a Forbidden. You think they’re trying to compete with those brands? Heck no. They’re happy to let them get in on the niche end of the game. Big brands don’t have time to chase trends. They make big fancy bikes for people with teslas and rivianz. Dakine Fanny and pit vipers and discretionary income. A couple kids on the way that the big brands want to get into the Fam asap. At least half the people at the big brands don’t even ride. They come from tech and vacuum...

amen to that!

I'm not anti innovation, but I am pro choice. Having choices removed is a step backwards IMO.

I'm not sure if anyone here has actually set up T-Type yet, but its kind of bullshit to set up compared to a regular set up, especially compared to older AXS, which was excellent. Sure, you get used to it if you're doing it every day, but it requires enough App/random information access that you might not have out on the trail if something goes wrong to actually make it shift properly again. For example, we have it on a fleet of demo E-bikes and we have checked the install of the drivetrain multiple times to the instructions in this...

I wonder what the weight penalty is for adding internal routing to a carbon frame. A lot of the penetrations aren't in low stress areas, so there must be some more material to account for it.

How much do you know about capitalism?

what irks me with this is the frames are getting simpler and cheaper to produce for them without laminating tubes into the frame but prices will rise nonetheless. the industry is gonna try to milk us until MTB is back to being a niche sport.

The whole wireless only thing is really representative of what bothers me about the bike industry. Changing things for the sole reason to sell us something more expensive. Why would they not put a small hole in the head tube and in the chain stay, can fit little plugs in it if they arent needed. Its different than say 1x drivetrains or dropper posts where there is a clear and undeniable benefit. What is better about a wireless drivetrain vs a properly tuned cable one? We get rid of a $3 cable and cable housing and add a battery?

I think it's officially being released tomorrow, but it looks like Knolly posted a video for the new Delirium early. I've heard it's going to be a pretty limited release, though (only 100 frames).

Just drank some coffee so I'll play (ha). 1) On an academic level, someone who has a strong understanding of physics and mechanical engineering can chime in regarding how forces are distributed through the chassis into the ground via rider feedback. I'm not super interested in this, only because I already know the "levers" I can pull on the change this for the better (or worse) via frame geometry. The big takeaway here we all know to be true is riding through your hands is hard, riding through your legs is much easier. This hypothesis underlies this entire thread. 2)...

Looks like some shops already have all the information on what's coming for these new gen SC bikes. New shock tunnel design, front shock mount sitting in the frame, integrated head tube badge and wireless only.