Long travel Ebike (190/170): covers everything from Bike Park to lunch ride trail rides.
Slopestyle bike: just got this, but effecitvely wanted a DJ bike with gears for pumptrack but also city rides and kid rides. This bike could have been a regular DJ or even a trail bike (think 5010 type bike).
Now I hate to be that guy, but based on current availability and sales, I would almost argue the unbeatable combo for under 10k
Cheap long travel avinox ebike e.g. the new decoy
Cheap short travel avinox ebike e.g, the base amflow, or could consider a massively discounted trek exe or Norco fluid VLT
that way you can always offer a bike to a friend, never really be out of a bike, never be under or overbiked, keep one charger at home one in the car etc etc
The obvious answer to a two bike garage dilemma is a larger garage. Sheesh.
Your decision is mad by deciding if you prefer to overbike or underbike. I’ll take underbike 9 times out of 10, so it’s an hardtail (with sliders for SS when I want) that does everything from the pump track, commute, and 50 mile trail or gravel rides, and a 120mm bike. Got a 160mm bike that almost never gets used because I’d rather underbike the descent than overbike the 2-3 hour climb.
I'm with Robot and ebruner. I voted trail + enduro and that's pretty much my setup. I have an Ibis Ripley V5 (130/140) and an Ibis HD6 (165/180). The Ripley can be run 29" front and rear or MX and the HD6 is MX only. I have a dedicated set of fairly light 29" wheels, a set of DH strength MX wheels, and a set of MX enduro wheels that float between the two. At the extremes they are 5 or 6lbs apart and with the enduro wheels they are probably 2 or 3lbs apart. It's a pretty good spread. I could go with something a little lighter on the trail bike side and still be happy, but it works well as is.
I currently live nowhere near a chair lift but don't mind peddling an enduro bike around. It takes care of all the trails I currently ride and any trips to almost anything short of DH specific trails. My PBJ is strangely pointing out the needs in my riding that need work. I'm fortunate to have the pump tracks around me though. Those would be my current 2.
“all e-bikes are better than any regular bike” is one of the most insane, fat-lazy-guy-coded, bad mountain biker takes i have ever read
congratulations
If you don’t have the time or live in a good location for all day epic riding, e-bikes are a solid choice. It’s pretty akin to downhill bikes, they make sense if you live in the right location.
Locally, a lot of people are doing 2-4 hour trail rides that turn into 1-2 hours on the e-bike and it doesn’t really matter what order you hit stuff in.
If I could choose I’d keep my Offering V4 in 151/170 coil and pair it with something like the Yeti ASR built a bit more like a trail bike with a 130 fork but still light and fast to enjoy more exploring kind of riding and longer days
I used to fall under the light trail + enduro vote. I think the announcement of the orbea wild lt with the 600 battery coming in at 46lbs has me really interested in it plus a highly configurable enduro bike like a madonna v3. But i am in an area where an ebike makes sense and I travel enough to ride that a proper enduro makes sense to me. I also don't have as much time to ride as I used to, so my riding tends to be pretty unvaried aka if I didn't have an ebike I would/should just go down to one enduro bike.
I just got a Heckler yesterday, so that's definitely in there. That and a long travel Enduro, say, a Nomad or SB160, something like that. If you don't live at Whistler or Windrock, in the US, you can ride most bike parks on a 6.5 travel bike without bashing it to bits, so this would work. Nice E-bike and a long-travel Enduro.
Luckily, I have a decent shed, so it fits a couple more, including, of course, a DJ bike. I live near an asphalt pump track / skatepark, so this is kind of a "necessary" third bike. Riding a dual-suspension bike on a pump-track is just plain silly.
Like @yahmon, I have a V1 Spur and a light built SB160. The lightness of the Spur is really fun and mine isn't even built that light. I could easily loose a pound of wheel weight. It feels kinda like a slalom bike- smallish and whippy. The Spur replaced a Top Fuel which never seemed to fit me quite right. The SB160 is built about as light as I'd want it as it sees a lot of high country climbing to get to the good descending. Its a speed machine and the faster and harder its pushed the better it feels.
As @teamrobot and others have mentioned, I've often wondered what both bikes would feel like with different wheel/tire combos. A question for those who do swap wheelsets for a different bike feel: do you find the brakes and drivetrain all line up well when you go back and forth between wheelsets?
trail and enduro crossover. love pedaling and I get the chills every time I steal my wife's 5010 over my deviate. just a pedal efficient bike in general is a real hit. just more fun to ride, feels like the power and effort is actually going somewhere. my big deviate is undoubtably more 'comfortable' but it's definitely not efficient, even if i replaced the shock with a steel bar (or Intend hover with it's tooth chipping road lockout, LOL)
Like @yahmon, I have a V1 Spur and a light built SB160. The lightness of the Spur is really fun and mine isn't even built that...
Like @yahmon, I have a V1 Spur and a light built SB160. The lightness of the Spur is really fun and mine isn't even built that light. I could easily loose a pound of wheel weight. It feels kinda like a slalom bike- smallish and whippy. The Spur replaced a Top Fuel which never seemed to fit me quite right. The SB160 is built about as light as I'd want it as it sees a lot of high country climbing to get to the good descending. Its a speed machine and the faster and harder its pushed the better it feels.
As @teamrobot and others have mentioned, I've often wondered what both bikes would feel like with different wheel/tire combos. A question for those who do swap wheelsets for a different bike feel: do you find the brakes and drivetrain all line up well when you go back and forth between wheelsets?
To answer your question about swapping wheelsets... yes it's far better then you think it would be. I keep all of the bikes in my families fleet on 200mm sram hs2 rotors and sram metallic pads. There are 7 wheelsets between 6 bikes and of those 7 wheelsets, 6 are dt350 hubs, 1 is i9 hubs, 4/6 of the bikes utilize transmission cassettes and 2 utilize eagle cassettes. I had to shim the brake rotor on the i9 hub with .5mm shims so that I can swap wheels without touching brake calipers. All of the bikes shift fine and no derailleur adjustments are necessary, even when pulling cassette/freehub body combos off to swap the wheels back and forth between eagle/transmission equipped bikes.
Over biked, under biked and just right biked are all things I enjoy at certain times... what is more enjoyable then any of those, is to be on the right tires at the right time. Having spare wheelsets, or wheelsets that you can swap between bikes is pretty choice, and I do it more often then you'd think.
“all e-bikes are better than any regular bike” is one of the most insane, fat-lazy-guy-coded, bad mountain biker takes i have ever read
congratulations
hey I’m not that fat
for my advanced age.
your congratulations are confusing because it almost feels like you’re trying to hurt me. But I’m not quite sure because you used “-coded” like our 8th grader. It’s giving dorkmaxx (on god), you gotta lock in and clock that eebs are goated twin
Two main factors, what is around you to ride and what enjoyment you would like to have. I had a chairlift BS session a week or two ago with a buddy and was asked what bike would I keep out of my current roster if I had to sell all but one (150/130 trail bike, 170/150 enduro bike, 150 steel HT, 170 DC old school HT, 26'er DH bike and pumptrack/dj bike) and pretty quickly concluded I would keep my trail bike (Druid V1) over the rest. I get a secondary fork, coil shock and wheelset to separate normal trail riding/gravity orientated descending.
All that to say, I am very fortunate to have the ability to split hairs on choosing what to ride and do like having the overhead of reaching for a more situation appropriate steed as the need arises. The analogy I like to use is modern pickups and towing: Sure you can tow 11,000+ pounds with a F-150 but you would be safer, more comfortable and mechanically abusing the truck less doing it with a F250/350.
Dreadnought and electric Druid, lots of overlap going down but i have a pretty narrrow band of what I ride so the decision is based on if I’m feeling like pedaling up or cruising up.
I’ll hop in here. I am riding a Druid currently as my one bike. I’d love to have a Revel Ritual or an Ibis HD next model at some point for tackling steeper things and going to the bike park. I do not think I need a full DH bike, though they do look mighty fun.
I ride the Druid at parks and have a good time, but can see the benefit of extra travel. I may wind up throwing the cascade long link back in at some point for that as well. Definitely get the ole buzz hitting the bu, though when I do.
A drop bar hardtail that I can use as a trail bike and be totally under-biked, and a ~130mm trail bike I can build like an enduro bike and use as an enduro/DH bike and be totally under-biked.
I'd love a DH bike for the odd time I'd use it, but I wouldn't get the value from it. And I've spent the last decade pedalling enduro bikes around and I'm just bored of how they feel so I've really lost interest in the 160-170 part of the market. Doing more with less has become the most fun way to ride for me.
I like ebikes, think they're fantastic. I thought I'd be buying one a few years ago after an injury and was even excited about it, but didn't need to in the end. And I ended up relieved... I just don't really want one myself.
To answer your question about swapping wheelsets... yes it's far better then you think it would be. I keep all of the bikes in my families...
To answer your question about swapping wheelsets... yes it's far better then you think it would be. I keep all of the bikes in my families fleet on 200mm sram hs2 rotors and sram metallic pads. There are 7 wheelsets between 6 bikes and of those 7 wheelsets, 6 are dt350 hubs, 1 is i9 hubs, 4/6 of the bikes utilize transmission cassettes and 2 utilize eagle cassettes. I had to shim the brake rotor on the i9 hub with .5mm shims so that I can swap wheels without touching brake calipers. All of the bikes shift fine and no derailleur adjustments are necessary, even when pulling cassette/freehub body combos off to swap the wheels back and forth between eagle/transmission equipped bikes.
Over biked, under biked and just right biked are all things I enjoy at certain times... what is more enjoyable then any of those, is to be on the right tires at the right time. Having spare wheelsets, or wheelsets that you can swap between bikes is pretty choice, and I do it more often then you'd think.
Might be an unpopular opinion, but I think swapping wheels and tires matters more than swapping bikes. I'd rather pedal a reasonably efficient enduro bike on light wheels with trail casings than a downcountry bike on DH casings. And the gap between an enduro on lighter tires and a downcountry on trail tires just isn't big enough to justify a second bike — especially since I'm never on XC trails.
I used to run a shorter-travel trail bike alongside the enduro. Now I just have the one bike — 170 front / 160 rear — and two wheelsets.
An ebike to ride when you have limited time or its too hot or you think its too wet or you're too tired or because the trail sucks.
An enduro or 150ish bike to ride the fun trails and still pedal but also to put into a bag so you can travel to cool places to ride all the good shit all around the world.
I hate to say this but you need 3.An ebike to ride when you have limited time or its too hot or you think its too...
I hate to say this but you need 3.
An ebike to ride when you have limited time or its too hot or you think its too wet or you're too tired or because the trail sucks.
An enduro or 150ish bike to ride the fun trails and still pedal but also to put into a bag so you can travel to cool places to ride all the good shit all around the world.
A downhill bike because it feels so good.
The end.
Man of culture. This is what’s in my garage.
Frame swapping the pedal bike to a Yeti LT. Lighter 29” wheel setup for trail days, mullet for shuttle days where I’m not using the DH rig. Going to miss my Bronson though.
I feel like it’s a long travel for summer and short travel for winter kind of thing. I would’ve been switching it up weekly that’s for...
I feel like it’s a long travel for summer and short travel for winter kind of thing. I would’ve been switching it up weekly that’s for sure.
Right, which is why I struggle with it. I’m reaching for the DH bike and Enduro bike within the same week repeatedly. We’ve got ~4 months out of the year the bike park is open. I’m not skipping trail rides for four months.
I guess maybe if you own a trail bike to go along with it but kind of defeats the one bike thing.
My mainstays for northeast riding are a 130/140 Stumpjumper for trail riding and a full-on DH bike for park riding. I had been running the Stumpjumper and a Capra for a while, but the overlap was too much to justify having two pedal bikes. I kept the park wheels from my Capra to beef up the Stumpjumper for any full-on pedal days.
Currently rocking:
Now I hate to be that guy, but based on current availability and sales, I would almost argue the unbeatable combo for under 10k
that way you can always offer a bike to a friend, never really be out of a bike, never be under or overbiked, keep one charger at home one in the car etc etc
“all e-bikes are better than any regular bike” is one of the most insane, fat-lazy-guy-coded, bad mountain biker takes i have ever read
congratulations
The obvious answer to a two bike garage dilemma is a larger garage. Sheesh.
Your decision is mad by deciding if you prefer to overbike or underbike. I’ll take underbike 9 times out of 10, so it’s an hardtail (with sliders for SS when I want) that does everything from the pump track, commute, and 50 mile trail or gravel rides, and a 120mm bike. Got a 160mm bike that almost never gets used because I’d rather underbike the descent than overbike the 2-3 hour climb.
I'm with Robot and ebruner. I voted trail + enduro and that's pretty much my setup. I have an Ibis Ripley V5 (130/140) and an Ibis HD6 (165/180). The Ripley can be run 29" front and rear or MX and the HD6 is MX only. I have a dedicated set of fairly light 29" wheels, a set of DH strength MX wheels, and a set of MX enduro wheels that float between the two. At the extremes they are 5 or 6lbs apart and with the enduro wheels they are probably 2 or 3lbs apart. It's a pretty good spread. I could go with something a little lighter on the trail bike side and still be happy, but it works well as is.
I currently live nowhere near a chair lift but don't mind peddling an enduro bike around. It takes care of all the trails I currently ride and any trips to almost anything short of DH specific trails. My PBJ is strangely pointing out the needs in my riding that need work. I'm fortunate to have the pump tracks around me though. Those would be my current 2.
If you don’t have the time or live in a good location for all day epic riding, e-bikes are a solid choice. It’s pretty akin to downhill bikes, they make sense if you live in the right location.
Locally, a lot of people are doing 2-4 hour trail rides that turn into 1-2 hours on the e-bike and it doesn’t really matter what order you hit stuff in.
If I could choose I’d keep my Offering V4 in 151/170 coil and pair it with something like the Yeti ASR built a bit more like a trail bike with a 130 fork but still light and fast to enjoy more exploring kind of riding and longer days
Bike 1 is 160-180mm rear travel enduro bike, bike 2 is a DJ. All you'll ever need.
I used to fall under the light trail + enduro vote. I think the announcement of the orbea wild lt with the 600 battery coming in at 46lbs has me really interested in it plus a highly configurable enduro bike like a madonna v3. But i am in an area where an ebike makes sense and I travel enough to ride that a proper enduro makes sense to me. I also don't have as much time to ride as I used to, so my riding tends to be pretty unvaried aka if I didn't have an ebike I would/should just go down to one enduro bike.
I just got a Heckler yesterday, so that's definitely in there. That and a long travel Enduro, say, a Nomad or SB160, something like that. If you don't live at Whistler or Windrock, in the US, you can ride most bike parks on a 6.5 travel bike without bashing it to bits, so this would work. Nice E-bike and a long-travel Enduro.
Luckily, I have a decent shed, so it fits a couple more, including, of course, a DJ bike. I live near an asphalt pump track / skatepark, so this is kind of a "necessary" third bike. Riding a dual-suspension bike on a pump-track is just plain silly.
Like @yahmon, I have a V1 Spur and a light built SB160. The lightness of the Spur is really fun and mine isn't even built that light. I could easily loose a pound of wheel weight. It feels kinda like a slalom bike- smallish and whippy. The Spur replaced a Top Fuel which never seemed to fit me quite right. The SB160 is built about as light as I'd want it as it sees a lot of high country climbing to get to the good descending. Its a speed machine and the faster and harder its pushed the better it feels.
As @teamrobot and others have mentioned, I've often wondered what both bikes would feel like with different wheel/tire combos. A question for those who do swap wheelsets for a different bike feel: do you find the brakes and drivetrain all line up well when you go back and forth between wheelsets?
trail and enduro crossover. love pedaling and I get the chills every time I steal my wife's 5010 over my deviate. just a pedal efficient bike in general is a real hit. just more fun to ride, feels like the power and effort is actually going somewhere. my big deviate is undoubtably more 'comfortable' but it's definitely not efficient, even if i replaced the shock with a steel bar (or Intend hover with it's tooth chipping road lockout, LOL)
efficient 160mm enduro bike thank you very much!
To answer your question about swapping wheelsets... yes it's far better then you think it would be. I keep all of the bikes in my families fleet on 200mm sram hs2 rotors and sram metallic pads. There are 7 wheelsets between 6 bikes and of those 7 wheelsets, 6 are dt350 hubs, 1 is i9 hubs, 4/6 of the bikes utilize transmission cassettes and 2 utilize eagle cassettes. I had to shim the brake rotor on the i9 hub with .5mm shims so that I can swap wheels without touching brake calipers. All of the bikes shift fine and no derailleur adjustments are necessary, even when pulling cassette/freehub body combos off to swap the wheels back and forth between eagle/transmission equipped bikes.
Over biked, under biked and just right biked are all things I enjoy at certain times... what is more enjoyable then any of those, is to be on the right tires at the right time. Having spare wheelsets, or wheelsets that you can swap between bikes is pretty choice, and I do it more often then you'd think.
Megatower + Spur = Fun on any trail
hey I’m not that fat
for my advanced age.
your congratulations are confusing because it almost feels like you’re trying to hurt me. But I’m not quite sure because you used “-coded” like our 8th grader. It’s giving dorkmaxx (on god), you gotta lock in and clock that eebs are goated twin
Two main factors, what is around you to ride and what enjoyment you would like to have. I had a chairlift BS session a week or two ago with a buddy and was asked what bike would I keep out of my current roster if I had to sell all but one (150/130 trail bike, 170/150 enduro bike, 150 steel HT, 170 DC old school HT, 26'er DH bike and pumptrack/dj bike) and pretty quickly concluded I would keep my trail bike (Druid V1) over the rest. I get a secondary fork, coil shock and wheelset to separate normal trail riding/gravity orientated descending.
All that to say, I am very fortunate to have the ability to split hairs on choosing what to ride and do like having the overhead of reaching for a more situation appropriate steed as the need arises. The analogy I like to use is modern pickups and towing: Sure you can tow 11,000+ pounds with a F-150 but you would be safer, more comfortable and mechanically abusing the truck less doing it with a F250/350.
Dreadnought and electric Druid, lots of overlap going down but i have a pretty narrrow band of what I ride so the decision is based on if I’m feeling like pedaling up or cruising up.
Vampire Fastarossa,
143-163-193.
Trail-enduro-DH. One frame.
I’ll hop in here. I am riding a Druid currently as my one bike. I’d love to have a Revel Ritual or an Ibis HD next model at some point for tackling steeper things and going to the bike park. I do not think I need a full DH bike, though they do look mighty fun.
I ride the Druid at parks and have a good time, but can see the benefit of extra travel. I may wind up throwing the cascade long link back in at some point for that as well. Definitely get the ole buzz hitting the bu, though when I do.
A drop bar hardtail that I can use as a trail bike and be totally under-biked, and a ~130mm trail bike I can build like an enduro bike and use as an enduro/DH bike and be totally under-biked.
I'd love a DH bike for the odd time I'd use it, but I wouldn't get the value from it. And I've spent the last decade pedalling enduro bikes around and I'm just bored of how they feel so I've really lost interest in the 160-170 part of the market. Doing more with less has become the most fun way to ride for me.
I like ebikes, think they're fantastic. I thought I'd be buying one a few years ago after an injury and was even excited about it, but didn't need to in the end. And I ended up relieved... I just don't really want one myself.
Might be an unpopular opinion, but I think swapping wheels and tires matters more than swapping bikes. I'd rather pedal a reasonably efficient enduro bike on light wheels with trail casings than a downcountry bike on DH casings. And the gap between an enduro on lighter tires and a downcountry on trail tires just isn't big enough to justify a second bike — especially since I'm never on XC trails.
I used to run a shorter-travel trail bike alongside the enduro. Now I just have the one bike — 170 front / 160 rear — and two wheelsets.
I hate to say this but you need 3.
An ebike to ride when you have limited time or its too hot or you think its too wet or you're too tired or because the trail sucks.
An enduro or 150ish bike to ride the fun trails and still pedal but also to put into a bag so you can travel to cool places to ride all the good shit all around the world.
A downhill bike because it feels so good.
The end.
Ok fine three bike quiver but analog: 120, 160, 200
Man of culture. This is what’s in my garage.
Frame swapping the pedal bike to a Yeti LT. Lighter 29” wheel setup for trail days, mullet for shuttle days where I’m not using the DH rig. Going to miss my Bronson though.
You made a weapon.
Only thing I struggle with is converting between dh and enduro. Maybe it’s me but swapping DC forks and drivetrain is a PITA.
Not practical for everyone but this is where I rather have a dedicated DH bike.
I feel like it’s a long travel for summer and short travel for winter kind of thing. I would’ve been switching it up weekly that’s for sure.
Right, which is why I struggle with it. I’m reaching for the DH bike and Enduro bike within the same week repeatedly. We’ve got ~4 months out of the year the bike park is open. I’m not skipping trail rides for four months.
I guess maybe if you own a trail bike to go along with it but kind of defeats the one bike thing.
Id have to go for a Enduro Ebike for pedaling around + DH bike for shuttles and park
Having a third for city riding would be nice, but if I had to go with two those would be priority.
My mainstays for northeast riding are a 130/140 Stumpjumper for trail riding and a full-on DH bike for park riding. I had been running the Stumpjumper and a Capra for a while, but the overlap was too much to justify having two pedal bikes. I kept the park wheels from my Capra to beef up the Stumpjumper for any full-on pedal days.
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