So who's going to post the two Trek 32" bikes from the B2B site?
That’s pretty stupid thing to post. I bet a lot of people here have a lot of information on hundreds of bikes that are under embargo, but we’re not dickhead so we don’t just go leaking stuff. This is for people to find stuff out in the wild and post it like if a website messes up by posting a bike early or somebody sees something in the wild or spy shots or whatever not just straight up leaking stuff from your bikeshops account
Except Sram's 11 SPD is 42t max and comparing granny gears you have to take wheel roll out into account as well as a larger wheel...
Except Sram's 11 SPD is 42t max and comparing granny gears you have to take wheel roll out into account as well as a larger wheel is effectively a harder gear. A 30t on a 29er is about the same as a 32t on a 27,5 and a 34t on a 26 inch bike.
I also said if your terrain supports it, there are places where it makes more sense to have a 28t in the front with a 52t in the back on a 29er than a 30t. Double so if you're thinking about going 165 mm or shorter on the cranks. And like I've always said in cases like these, you're welcome to come over and try out these terrains.
That’s pretty stupid thing to post. I bet a lot of people here have a lot of information on hundreds of bikes that are under embargo...
That’s pretty stupid thing to post. I bet a lot of people here have a lot of information on hundreds of bikes that are under embargo, but we’re not dickhead so we don’t just go leaking stuff. This is for people to find stuff out in the wild and post it like if a website messes up by posting a bike early or somebody sees something in the wild or spy shots or whatever not just straight up leaking stuff from your bikeshops account
WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE BRAAAAAAANDS! THE POOR BRANDS!
That’s pretty stupid thing to post. I bet a lot of people here have a lot of information on hundreds of bikes that are under embargo...
That’s pretty stupid thing to post. I bet a lot of people here have a lot of information on hundreds of bikes that are under embargo, but we’re not dickhead so we don’t just go leaking stuff. This is for people to find stuff out in the wild and post it like if a website messes up by posting a bike early or somebody sees something in the wild or spy shots or whatever not just straight up leaking stuff from your bikeshops account
Is that the rule? Are there rules?
Because catalog snaps have happened heaps of times in the OG thread. Obviously don’t lose your job - but these are just brands owned by banks / syndicates / second generation founders nepo kids - and we are the 0.01% who care to see this stuff. newschoolers.com has an epic next year gear thread where everyone is sharing catalog snaps and tradeshow samples. I think this audience is hyper niche and most of the stuff on this thread never makes it past this group of weirdos. I’m sure bike brand product managers lurk - but they already know this stuff.
Spy shots in the wild are truly the gold standard. But anonymous drops of freshies - if you can - keep this thread HOT!
I'm dealing with the dreaded chain not seating/ skipping on the 3rd cog issue on my SO's bike with T90. Shifts great across the range then...
I'm dealing with the dreaded chain not seating/ skipping on the 3rd cog issue on my SO's bike with T90. Shifts great across the range then the ramps on the 3rd cog are too wide or cassette was manufactured out of tolerance spacing. Looking into a cassette warranty now.
I find the new T type setup scheme to be more confusing and janky. I never had an issue adjusting a B limit screw or H/L stop. Jamming hex spanner into a slot as a setup datum and hand tensioning the "B limit" while torquing correctly, with EXACTLY the right (proprietary) chain length does not feel like a step forward. All this feels like they just wanted to save money by reusing the electric group tooling for mechanical by not having to tap holes in the castings for actual adjustment screws.
Funny enough, I was just about to google a remedy for this haha. I can’t figure out how to get this to work properly. And it’s...
Funny enough, I was just about to google a remedy for this haha. I can’t figure out how to get this to work properly. And it’s only the third gear on my GX cassette. It didn’t have as much issue on my xo wirelsss. I swaped as I bent the Duilio and getting an eagle 90 shifter cable and derailer was significantly cheaper than just replacing the XO with just the body.
Also had issues with my 90 setup. Turned out to be not enough cable tension, but the weird part is it only affected one cog in the middle of the cassette. Since fixing that it’s been fantastic.
Can’t remember if it was said earlier, but it sure feels like SRAM made the mechanical stuff harder to setup as a way to steer people toward AXS.
For those of you unhappy with 90, would you rather have gx t type given all the issues, or is the Jab the only solution? My...
For those of you unhappy with 90, would you rather have gx t type given all the issues, or is the Jab the only solution? My X01 eagle is still working great and will continue to for a long time, but every bike I've pedaled with eagle 90 felt reasonably good.
Another Transmission compatible solution is the Ratio Technology Mech. I've got one on long-term test for Vital with a review dropping later this year.
For those of you unhappy with 90, would you rather have gx t type given all the issues, or is the Jab the only solution? My...
For those of you unhappy with 90, would you rather have gx t type given all the issues, or is the Jab the only solution? My X01 eagle is still working great and will continue to for a long time, but every bike I've pedaled with eagle 90 felt reasonably good.
Another Transmission compatible solution is the Ratio Technology Mech. I've got one on long-term test for Vital with a review dropping later this year.
I thought you were trolling, but you seem serious. I'd be very interested to see what kind of chainstays clear a 22t ring.
I am dead serious. To do all day riding without pushing on all the steep climbs you need some serious low gears. I have them on my Nicolai G1. Used to use a 2x crank on my old Pole Evolink without problems too.
I am dead serious. To do all day riding without pushing on all the steep climbs you need some serious low gears. I have them on...
I am dead serious. To do all day riding without pushing on all the steep climbs you need some serious low gears. I have them on my Nicolai G1. Used to use a 2x crank on my old Pole Evolink without problems too.
Fred, are you just running a 2x crank in front and droppin down manually when needed for those long grinds the puttin the chain back up onto the larger ring for the descents?
Some guys around here (SW Colorado, lots of long steep high altitude grinds in the high country) used to do that too. No front derailleur. Just the double ring. Takes about 10 seconds to move it between rings.
I don't run that setup, but I do run a 28/52 for the same reason as you and also because its a bit easier on my knees for steep grinding up. I sometimes get people behind me on steep climbs needing to go past because they simply can't keep their balance at such a slow speed. Occasionally people comment. They are usually not the same people I see deep in the mountains at the top of the brutal climbs and many of the guys I ride with in these parts have gone to a 28 and like it for the long, steep climbs on the bigger travel meaty tire wearing bikes. On the Transition Spur with faster, lighter rubber? 30/51 is fine.
Whats old is new again! Not a tech rumor but it is cool.
As a plug for the tech rumors thread, I'll say this. I rode with a test rider for one of the big brands a few months ago. He was on their 120mm 32" wheeled test bike and we were rolling through really tough rocky tech of the type that might seem like a poor application for a 32" wheeled bike. The bike was flying over the chunky stuff noticeably faster than my 29" wheeler...
I am dead serious. To do all day riding without pushing on all the steep climbs you need some serious low gears. I have them on...
I am dead serious. To do all day riding without pushing on all the steep climbs you need some serious low gears. I have them on my Nicolai G1. Used to use a 2x crank on my old Pole Evolink without problems too.
Fred, are you just running a 2x crank in front and droppin down manually when needed for those long grinds the puttin the chain back up...
Fred, are you just running a 2x crank in front and droppin down manually when needed for those long grinds the puttin the chain back up onto the larger ring for the descents?
Some guys around here (SW Colorado, lots of long steep high altitude grinds in the high country) used to do that too. No front derailleur. Just the double ring. Takes about 10 seconds to move it between rings.
I don't run that setup, but I do run a 28/52 for the same reason as you and also because its a bit easier on my knees for steep grinding up. I sometimes get people behind me on steep climbs needing to go past because they simply can't keep their balance at such a slow speed. Occasionally people comment. They are usually not the same people I see deep in the mountains at the top of the brutal climbs and many of the guys I ride with in these parts have gone to a 28 and like it for the long, steep climbs on the bigger travel meaty tire wearing bikes. On the Transition Spur with faster, lighter rubber? 30/51 is fine.
Whats old is new again! Not a tech rumor but it is cool.
As a plug for the tech rumors thread, I'll say this. I rode with a test rider for one of the big brands a few months ago. He was on their 120mm 32" wheeled test bike and we were rolling through really tough rocky tech of the type that might seem like a poor application for a 32" wheeled bike. The bike was flying over the chunky stuff noticeably faster than my 29" wheeler...
I used to run that setup 22/32T but then realised I didn't need the 32T over here in the Alps. I also came across a narrow wide 22T direct mount sram chainring on Aliexpress so now just run that. When I go ride somewhere flatter I put on a bigger chainring.
I've had my belt come of a few times in 2 years of general riding without "extreme" mud conditions. All were due to sticks kicking up...
I've had my belt come of a few times in 2 years of general riding without "extreme" mud conditions. All were due to sticks kicking up and lodging between the belt and rear cog. I can see how a bunch of thick mud can buildup from coasting downhill and derail it.
I honestly think that if the Gates sponsorships weren't happening the gearbox bikes would be chain drive, or switch over to chain drive when the going gets muddy. The belt is very quiet and smooth in non-extreme conditions but no denying the chain is a better option for ultra slop.
Interesting! Never had it come off in 2 years on my G3, riding in all the weather we get. Our mud isn't too clay heavy which...
Interesting! Never had it come off in 2 years on my G3, riding in all the weather we get. Our mud isn't too clay heavy which might help, but it has been flawless so far wet or dry.
Google has apparently been spying on me, and fed me this:
32/52 is .6154 and 28/46 is .6087 so if it’s a climbing thing and not a spinning out at top speed thing, 11 versus 12 speed...
32/52 is .6154 and 28/46 is .6087 so if it’s a climbing thing and not a spinning out at top speed thing, 11 versus 12 speed doesn’t really matter (talking Shimano and SRAM here). Both of those are far easier to pedal than the old school 3x10 granny gear 24/36 combo that is .6667 which is also 28/42 11 speed.
Personally I’m happy to go back to 11 and have shorter cage that doesn’t bounce around as much and isn’t as susceptible to sucking up every other stick on the trail.
Except Sram's 11 SPD is 42t max and comparing granny gears you have to take wheel roll out into account as well as a larger wheel...
Except Sram's 11 SPD is 42t max and comparing granny gears you have to take wheel roll out into account as well as a larger wheel is effectively a harder gear. A 30t on a 29er is about the same as a 32t on a 27,5 and a 34t on a 26 inch bike.
I also said if your terrain supports it, there are places where it makes more sense to have a 28t in the front with a 52t in the back on a 29er than a 30t. Double so if you're thinking about going 165 mm or shorter on the cranks. And like I've always said in cases like these, you're welcome to come over and try out these terrains.
The rider currently leading the Men’s elite Overall EDR is on a Belt driven high pivot gearbox bike. Interesting times we are in.
And 2nd place at the last DH world cup.
But I believe the conclusion was that gearboxes are too inefficient to ever be viable, and the answer is a 2x drivetrain. Bonus: when either of your two derailleurs inevitably breaks, home repair is a breeze.
And 2nd place at the last DH world cup. But I believe the conclusion was that gearboxes are too inefficient to ever be viable, and the answer...
And 2nd place at the last DH world cup.
But I believe the conclusion was that gearboxes are too inefficient to ever be viable, and the answer is a 2x drivetrain. Bonus: when either of your two derailleurs inevitably breaks, home repair is a breeze.
My impression has been that most posters in this thread agree that GB with chain or belt have a justifiable place in gravity bikes. It's their use in XC and trail bikes that get pedaled a lot that is still a point of contention.
Also, I'm not sure if this is common knowledge here, but a new discovery for me was that eCVTs with dual motors provide infinite gear ratios using just a single planetary gear stage with no belts or chains internally, which can bump up the efficiency over older belt or chain-driven CVTs substantially - probably something like 97%. Good news for the ebike market, but not really useful for pedal bikes.
My impression has been that most posters in this thread agree that GB with chain or belt have a justifiable place in gravity bikes. It's their...
My impression has been that most posters in this thread agree that GB with chain or belt have a justifiable place in gravity bikes. It's their use in XC and trail bikes that get pedaled a lot that is still a point of contention.
Also, I'm not sure if this is common knowledge here, but a new discovery for me was that eCVTs with dual motors provide infinite gear ratios using just a single planetary gear stage with no belts or chains internally, which can bump up the efficiency over older belt or chain-driven CVTs substantially - probably something like 97%. Good news for the ebike market, but not really useful for pedal bikes.
I don't think anyone who understands the basics of gearboxes or derailleurs expects them to be a good fit for XC bikes in the foreseeable future.
Three gears in the front and seven in the back could be the perfect ratio for mountain biking! It's almost like it would give you three...
Three gears in the front and seven in the back could be the perfect ratio for mountain biking! It's almost like it would give you three different gear "ranges" using the front shifter- one for climbing, one for descending, and one for everything in between. And the chain alignment could be so much straighter without having to pack all your gears onto one super wide cassette.
I wonder why no one's thought of that yet? I can't think of any downsides.
In all seriousness, I’d like to see what/how good a 2026 2x8 drivetrain would be if sram or shimano put some serious resources into development.
I was really hoping we'd see that with the launch of the Demo 11. Something like a modern day HammerSchmidt. If I had a feeling a third party may have to get involved.
Gearboxes aren't efficient enough for trail bikes, yet we have people in here climbing 50% gradients apparently with 22/51 gearing, where it'd clearly be most efficient to just walk the bike up
So if you haven't had any problems with the lack of limit screws or b-tension adjustment, why do you think you're not having problems configuring Eagle...
So if you haven't had any problems with the lack of limit screws or b-tension adjustment, why do you think you're not having problems configuring Eagle 90 and other people are?
Possible theory #1: All of the alignment problems people are describing are actually cassette tolerance problems that would be fixed by doing a warranty replacement of the cassette?
Possible theory #2: People aren't setting up the derailleur correctly during the very unusual Transmission red alignment cog/"B-tension" step.
I'm not sure if it's a cassette issue. I had a full XX AXS drivetrain on a Ripmo V3 that shifted perfectly. Later I swapped only...
I'm not sure if it's a cassette issue. I had a full XX AXS drivetrain on a Ripmo V3 that shifted perfectly. Later I swapped only the shifter and derailleur to 90 and had shifting issues since. I'm using the ecact same XX cassette. It's like I cannot get the cable tension setup correctly. For example, it's either too tight in some areas of the cassette and if I then decrease the tension it's too loose in the other area of the cassette. It behaves like it has a bent hanger, however with T-Type there is no hanger. With this not point to tolerance issues with the 90 derailleur?
That’s pretty stupid thing to post. I bet a lot of people here have a lot of information on hundreds of bikes that are under embargo...
That’s pretty stupid thing to post. I bet a lot of people here have a lot of information on hundreds of bikes that are under embargo, but we’re not dickhead so we don’t just go leaking stuff. This is for people to find stuff out in the wild and post it like if a website messes up by posting a bike early or somebody sees something in the wild or spy shots or whatever not just straight up leaking stuff from your bikeshops account
Is that the rule? Are there rules?Because catalog snaps have happened heaps of times in the OG thread. Obviously don’t lose your job - but these...
Is that the rule? Are there rules?
Because catalog snaps have happened heaps of times in the OG thread. Obviously don’t lose your job - but these are just brands owned by banks / syndicates / second generation founders nepo kids - and we are the 0.01% who care to see this stuff. newschoolers.com has an epic next year gear thread where everyone is sharing catalog snaps and tradeshow samples. I think this audience is hyper niche and most of the stuff on this thread never makes it past this group of weirdos. I’m sure bike brand product managers lurk - but they already know this stuff.
Spy shots in the wild are truly the gold standard. But anonymous drops of freshies - if you can - keep this thread HOT!
This. The industry hates leaks because they’re still trying to sell the old shit to you while they’re making the shops book preorders. I think snow is different in that they probably sell through by summer and so leaks don’t impact sales as much.
But leaks are good for riders because we don’t have all the money and deserve to know when we should hold off on ordering a new bike or when we should consider selling the one that’s about to become outdated…
That’s pretty stupid thing to post. I bet a lot of people here have a lot of information on hundreds of bikes that are under embargo, but we’re not dickhead so we don’t just go leaking stuff. This is for people to find stuff out in the wild and post it like if a website messes up by posting a bike early or somebody sees something in the wild or spy shots or whatever not just straight up leaking stuff from your bikeshops account
I like to climb everything rather than push up so I am one of the few that cleans the ebike climbs hehe. Yeah very steep stuff around here.
WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE BRAAAAAAANDS! THE POOR BRANDS!
Is that the rule? Are there rules?
Because catalog snaps have happened heaps of times in the OG thread. Obviously don’t lose your job - but these are just brands owned by banks / syndicates / second generation founders nepo kids - and we are the 0.01% who care to see this stuff. newschoolers.com has an epic next year gear thread where everyone is sharing catalog snaps and tradeshow samples. I think this audience is hyper niche and most of the stuff on this thread never makes it past this group of weirdos. I’m sure bike brand product managers lurk - but they already know this stuff.
Spy shots in the wild are truly the gold standard. But anonymous drops of freshies - if you can - keep this thread HOT!
Also had issues with my 90 setup. Turned out to be not enough cable tension, but the weird part is it only affected one cog in the middle of the cassette. Since fixing that it’s been fantastic.
Can’t remember if it was said earlier, but it sure feels like SRAM made the mechanical stuff harder to setup as a way to steer people toward AXS.
I thought you were trolling, but you seem serious. I'd be very interested to see what kind of chainstays clear a 22t ring.
Most bikes with an idler above the chainring probably have no trouble at all, as long as there's still enough chain wrap
Another Transmission compatible solution is the Ratio Technology Mech. I've got one on long-term test for Vital with a review dropping later this year.
But it looks like an Apex RD 🤢
I am dead serious. To do all day riding without pushing on all the steep climbs you need some serious low gears. I have them on my Nicolai G1. Used to use a 2x crank on my old Pole Evolink without problems too.
The rider currently leading the Men’s elite Overall EDR is on a Belt driven high pivot gearbox bike. Interesting times we are in.
Fred, are you just running a 2x crank in front and droppin down manually when needed for those long grinds the puttin the chain back up onto the larger ring for the descents?
Some guys around here (SW Colorado, lots of long steep high altitude grinds in the high country) used to do that too. No front derailleur. Just the double ring. Takes about 10 seconds to move it between rings.
I don't run that setup, but I do run a 28/52 for the same reason as you and also because its a bit easier on my knees for steep grinding up. I sometimes get people behind me on steep climbs needing to go past because they simply can't keep their balance at such a slow speed. Occasionally people comment. They are usually not the same people I see deep in the mountains at the top of the brutal climbs and many of the guys I ride with in these parts have gone to a 28 and like it for the long, steep climbs on the bigger travel meaty tire wearing bikes. On the Transition Spur with faster, lighter rubber? 30/51 is fine.
Whats old is new again! Not a tech rumor but it is cool.
As a plug for the tech rumors thread, I'll say this. I rode with a test rider for one of the big brands a few months ago. He was on their 120mm 32" wheeled test bike and we were rolling through really tough rocky tech of the type that might seem like a poor application for a 32" wheeled bike. The bike was flying over the chunky stuff noticeably faster than my 29" wheeler...
I used to run that setup 22/32T but then realised I didn't need the 32T over here in the Alps. I also came across a narrow wide 22T direct mount sram chainring on Aliexpress so now just run that. When I go ride somewhere flatter I put on a bigger chainring.
Google has apparently been spying on me, and fed me this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx5nN3kyx5k
I've heard similar horror stories from other adventure cyclists - regarding the challenge of carrying a spare without damaging it.
How many frames can support a 22 without frame interference?
And 2nd place at the last DH world cup.
But I believe the conclusion was that gearboxes are too inefficient to ever be viable, and the answer is a 2x drivetrain. Bonus: when either of your two derailleurs inevitably breaks, home repair is a breeze.
My impression has been that most posters in this thread agree that GB with chain or belt have a justifiable place in gravity bikes. It's their use in XC and trail bikes that get pedaled a lot that is still a point of contention.
Also, I'm not sure if this is common knowledge here, but a new discovery for me was that eCVTs with dual motors provide infinite gear ratios using just a single planetary gear stage with no belts or chains internally, which can bump up the efficiency over older belt or chain-driven CVTs substantially - probably something like 97%. Good news for the ebike market, but not really useful for pedal bikes.
There is a carbon version of the Unno Ever DH Prototype in the works, it comes later in the season that is being mentioned in the GMBN Tech video,
I don't think anyone who understands the basics of gearboxes or derailleurs expects them to be a good fit for XC bikes in the foreseeable future.
I don't get it. If a grade is so steep I need lower than 51/30 on a 29er, it's too steep to be climbed up anyways.
In Utah, we have plenty steep climbs, and I use 51/32
Can we please not turn this into a d*ck-measuring contest regarding who rides which steep thing w/ which gearing?
I was really hoping we'd see that with the launch of the Demo 11. Something like a modern day HammerSchmidt. If I had a feeling a third party may have to get involved.
Not until we agree upon how sag and leverage curves effect the formula we can’t.
Gearboxes aren't efficient enough for trail bikes, yet we have people in here climbing 50% gradients apparently with 22/51 gearing, where it'd clearly be most efficient to just walk the bike up
Trek should have put an embargo on their supply chain relying on forced labor and debt bondage 🙄 Just post the bikes
Him being even top 5 on a Vanth is a win in my book haha. Lief and Evan are at such a disadvantage for Enduro I sometimes feel bad.
No, they are both T-Type.
This. The industry hates leaks because they’re still trying to sell the old shit to you while they’re making the shops book preorders. I think snow is different in that they probably sell through by summer and so leaks don’t impact sales as much.
But leaks are good for riders because we don’t have all the money and deserve to know when we should hold off on ordering a new bike or when we should consider selling the one that’s about to become outdated…
I don't recall seeing info on the Blur 5 here yet, but I think both Tobin Ortenblad and Ruth Holcomb were on it at the BCBR.
G-Out Project from Solitude Pro DH Series
https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/g-out-project-solitude-pro-downhill-series
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