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Anyone know if the Tallboy 6 could run a coil shock? It looks like a few SC riders have it built up with Super Deluxe flight attendant, so it appears it has the clearance for a shock with a piggy back. They said this new frame is less progressive, so I’m not sure if it would jive with a coil.
My favorite “quiver killer” bike of all time was the V1 Evil offering with the Push 11.6. I’ve been patiently waiting for a coil compatible trail bike with modern geometry and features.
Hey Matt, I rode and wrote about the Tallboy HERE.
After only having two days on the bike now, my suspicion is that it's not really going to play that nicely with coil shocks. Ie: the beginning and ending lev ratio, combined with the amount of shock stroke won't offer the support a coil spring requires, nor the distance needed to control the shock with the lower overall progression rate. Like, you might get away with this lev rate on a 60/65mm+ stroke shock as there's more time to control the suspension movement with compression. Hopefully that makes sense?
If I can get my hands on a 185x50mm coil shock, I will definitely give it a try and report back. I'm guessing it would need to be a bit over-sprung to feel right, but who knows? Only way to know is to fafo. Hang tight!
Progression is only around 15%, so maybe with a good HBO or bottom out system? It was stated that there is reservoir clearance, but probably not really coil friendly.
It is quite appropriate that Santa Cruz launched their new Smuggler in Bellingham. 😁
mr Dave Weagle himself responded to a comment I left about the RMU Nighttrain, stating that the rear center does legitimately grow 30mm to 457.5mm at sag. I still don't believe it, especially because he's claiming it's "poppy and playful" but my range grows almost 30mm bottomed out and is not "poppy and playful".
I saw a graphic that included a Primo-Build with FA, King Hubs, XX SL. It also had a Deore build below the 90 kit. So perhaps those are coming in a bit.
Thanks! I know I’m in a the extreme minority, wanting a shorter travel coil bike, but coming from a DH background (back when there weren’t any DH air shocks) I’ve always loved the feel of a coil on almost everything other than XC bikes.
I feel ya, I asked Pish if theu could make an 11-6 for the tallboy as there is room, but they wouldn't
Haha, I asked Push if they would make me a 11.6 for my Epic Evo a few years ago. They also said No.
Push hasn't been too helpful in those regards. I tried as well. Someone very reputable in suspension that I have a great relationship with offered to customize a Push for me to do that but I didn't want to go that route. Especially after how Push treated with me with my V1. Wasnt going to continue to use it.
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Ext built me a custom mini Arma for my TB4 and I have a tuned Ohlins TTX22 on it now. Coil short travel bikes are so rad!
I think that must be the case. I thought the FA bikes looked like a slightly different shade of purple, too.
And at least it looks like they are trying to make pedal bikes in all sizes and builds, unlike Forbidden skipping out on the S1 and S4 Reya while they pump out their ebikes.
This seems like such a ridiculous thing for RMU/Dave to lie about when anyone can just take an image of the frame and plot the points with reasonable enough accuracy to check it. The CS grows ~6mm at sag when measured horizontally and ~14mm when measured diagonally.
Probably is fine with a progressive spring. Or just do it anyways, it's not like no one has run linear coils on bikes with that low of progression before.
Lots of talk about how it's 300g lighter, but in nearly the same XT di2 build, the intense spider is .2 lbs lighter than the Tallboy and 1400 dollars cheaper.
Came to echo this...EXT is amazing - they offered to send out a new at the time e-storia at a discount for fitment verification on the Norco Range v1.1 FT while Push said "It doesn't fit". Shrug. Maybe they verified on the FT1.1, or maybe they just didn't want my business. Will never know.
That’s what the V4 is for with a 160 fork and light wheels
How are you liking it compared to your Megatower?
I have the same bike as you and I demo’d a 6 and liked it but didn’t feel the difference was enough to justify the effort of swapping frames. That math changes somewhat with the updates to the 7.
Yes but have you seen a sc frame vs an intense frame? Definitely worth the extra money
I believe the 300g is the difference for a built-bike - not the frame itself. I've never been able to determine if the advertised frame weight on FS bikes is with or without the rear shock, but the difference in advertised frame weights is only 232 grams.
Ethics and Dave Weagle literally cannot be in the same sentence. Impossible.
I notice the reduced weight way more than I notice reduced rollover. I’m always a little surprised when I see a company put out a full 29er ebike when there’s a healthy amount of free weight to be saved with the smaller wheel
The latest SC Roller Door podcast specifically said no to coil on the new frame and that the air shock needs a bunch of volume spacers.
Apparently, the air shock needs all the volume spacers.
I’m out of the loop, what’s his ethics problem?
Also he said the 30mm quote was a mistake.
That sounds an awful lot like they actually didn't get the leverage curve they wanted.
Nothing wrong with designing a frame to work with the natural progressivity of an air shock, but if you use all the volume spacers in the air shock you spec stock, you probably would be better served with a more progressive leverage curve.
Frame kinematics that require stuffing air cans full of volume spacers and are a big no-go for coil shocks?
Hmmm, I feel like we have been here before.
Kinda strange that his caption says he quoted a dimension with no context then in his comment says the 30mm doesn’t come from anywhere, no? I may be more confused than before
@CascadeComponents right now...
Here I was about to defend air shocks on shorter travel bikes, but after reading that it requires that much air ramp I agree… wtf. Is it 2019 transition sentinel all over again?
Anyone noticed the neon bike that looks like a Tallboy but has a sticker over name? 5010?
Wheel size looks the same as the other Tallboy, so I bet they just didn't take the sticker covering the name of the bike off.
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