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I’m digging the Forekaster/Ikon combo a lot. I prefer the Ikon to the Rekon Race or regular Rekon for that matter. Aspen also tops the RR for me as the RR pushes in anything but the hardest, buffest terrain.
Great answer!
We just need something a bit lighter (in weight and tread) than the Albert
The Roamy
Agree with this assessment of the radial. Can't wait to run try the Tacky Chan radial front and rear on the enduro bike.
Agree with above comment on the Forecaster. I'm runnin one on the front of my Spur and it hooks up well, rolls well and is lasting too.
FIrst real ride on the MM+Albert radials. Started above what should be rideable. Muddy slop. Finished 3.1k feet lower where it's dusty, loose, and dry. The radials handled it all noticeably gripper than the Assegai. And, since I was running 5psi more, the tire held its shape really well too (I hate it when you feel a tire fold over)
TLDR hype is real. I want a Forecaster in radial!
It depends on which versions you are asking about.
The Magnotal grip is close to the same speed as the ground control T7 (assuming the "T7" compound is the same in both GC and purgatory etc). The magnotal I think is more of a hardpack/loose over hard tire. I haven't ridden it on the front, but I do have it in the back with a xynotal soft front, and the grip is insane. Loving it compared to the Assegai maxxgrip that it replaced. But I am riding hardpack with some slight sandyness on top, so it makes sense that the dedicated hardpack tire is better (less knob chatter/flex/etc). I think the xynotal might be closer to the purgatory from a knob style standpoint, but I think xynotal soft will be a bit slower, grip will be much higher though (T7 vs conti soft).
General rule of thumb is maxxis is slower than other brands. I haven't ridden the new forekaster but if you're looking for more speed I just don't think maxxis really does that. Heresy I know, but like all the rolling resistance data I've seen and testing I've done backs that up.
The confusing thing with compounds is that some brands really call a compound by one name and it's literally the same despite different tread patterns. And other brands (kenda) claim every tread pattern has a unique compound. I'm not sure how the new Conti stuff is. Does anyone know? Cause compound is the main factor with rolling resistance (hysteresis).
What I managed to throw together for the new pedal bike was a Trinotal rear and Xynotal E soft front. The trail casing on the Trinotal was way too flimsy as I expected, put a hole in it immediately. Almost as good as anything grip-wise on sand/granite though
I suppose what I'm waiting for is the "Roamy", whatever that ends up being, can't find any sneak photos of it. In the meantime, need to decide between a Forekaster and Nobby Nic for a rear. Anyone have any opinions either way on those two tread patterns or Exo+/Super Trail?
I was actually a bit underwhelmed with the forekaster. The one I used on the rear was undersized and didn't last terribly long.
In comparison the Nobby Nic has worn better and rolls faster, though I don't think it matches the forekaster for outright cornering grip.
i also like the looks of a xynotal for the front, but i dont want to have to run the enduro casing on the front to get a soft. Do we know how the endurance compound compares to the xc tires 'grip' or 'soft'? For that matter, is 'soft' the same on the magno as it is on the gravity tires?
According to continental, endurance compound is between rapid and grip in terms of rolling resistance but worse than both in terms of grip/damping. I just happened to have the Xynotal in the pile, Dissector 2 seems like a much better option for a fast-ish front
Yeah i'm in a similar boat - I don't need the puncture protection from the enduro casing where I live so it's a bummer you can't get the trail casing and soft / supersoft compound. I ran the xyno/trail/endurance for a brief bit when they first came out and it was fine - got more traction than a MT rekon but didn't run it long enough to get a real opinion on it. As far as compound is concerned, i too would be curious if it's the same. At the same time the knob sizes are so different I'm not sure how much it matters, whether we're talking about grip or longevity I don't think you can just pull the tread pattern out of the equation when evaluating performanmce.
As far as I heard, both the trail casing and endurance rubber are utter garbage. Enduro and DH casing, soft and super soft rubber are apparently disproportionately amazing in comparison.
I made the mistake of getting a Xynotal and a Kryptotal in trail casing and endurance compound and they went straight to the heap of tires never to be ridden again. They are horrible.
@schwalbai or others, anyone has the overall diameter of a 29" 2.5 Albert Gravity ?
My 2.6 is 758mm diameter and doesn't leave a lot of clearance on my RXF38m.2's arch. For comparison, my used Kryptotal Fr 2.4 is 751mm diameter.
I'd like to try a 2.5 Albert Gravity rear to get more rear tire clearance at the seat stays, and would probably keep the 2.6s that I have for the front even if it's a bit tight on the RXF with a mud guard. But if the difference between the 2.5 and 2.6 is minimal, I won't bother. Thanks for any info!
Yes, based on the hardness of Conti's 'soft' compound, their endurance compound is likely close to plastic
Mines are 752
Trail chasing, 30mm internal rim
750 for the latest Mary trail pro with the blue logo
Curious thing I haven’t noticed on the first round of radials
“Not tlr: mount only on hooked rims”
My carbon rims are hookless like the majority at this stage I’d say 🤔🤔
My Purgatory knobs are peeling off the casing with low mileage, maybe 200 miles mostly dirt roads. Similar to the old Eliminator. Specialized says this: That's part of how our tires wear unfortunately. It is normal and expected.
Bullshit reasoning. 200 miles is nothing, if you are not constantly riding dh trails or keep on skidding the tire on asphalt
The purgatory seems to be between XC and trail, I’m looking for something similar. Maybe Wicked Will, Agressor, Forekaster. Continental needs something between Magnotal and Zynotal.
I agree! Continental should explore and test a Tread pattern in between Xynotal&Magnotal for XC/TRAIL and EVEN A TRAIL/ENDURO REAR SPECIFIC TIRE ONLY!!
Likely no company is reading this, but I will give my wishes. Make enduro Casing fast trail rear tire. I run Xynotol enduro soft in the rear and I like it but sometimes wish wonder what a faster tire would change my 5010. I've tried a WTB Trail boss light fast (why are tough now 1500g!?) and liked it (but flatted it), and I would love to try a Forekaster, but I haven't had great luck with Exo+ in the rear but have had luck with Conti Enduro. I am curious to try a faster Magnotol or Forekaster, but no enduro casing takes it out for me.
Something like a Dissector Exo+ Grip / Forekaster Dual or Terra DD sounds be sweet for me. Or a Xynotol trail super soft and magnotol enduro soft (or something between). Whats a Schwalbe equivalent?
Your wishes will be addressed soon.
But also worth noting that enduro/gravity casing tires can only go so fast. A tires casing is one of the biggest contributor to rolling speed. See my previous comment about this exact topic.
This thread is gonna invent a DH casing semislick from first principles.
this count?
these are early moulds that may be used to produce both TLR and non-TLR tires. All Schwalbe TLE/TLR tires can be used with hookless rims, NON-TLR tires should be used with hooked rims.
You have a TLR tire, as indicated by the label, so it is compatible with hookless rims.
How about a beefed-up Tioga Edge 22? 🤩
Yeah I find it pretty odd, since it’s the latest version I the tyre, also, the max pressure has dropped from 38 to 36 psi
Blasphemy. I would rather take poor lines with reckless abandon than put on a lighter tire and ride faster by being smart. Give me the goldilocks.
Your previous comment is in regards to soft vs Ultra soft. I get that ultra soft is worse. But my argument would be asking the difference between trail and gravity casings. My opinion has been I'd rather ride a 100-150g heavier tire if it prevents flats. This is why I've trended towards Enduro casing on my trail bike opposed to trail (or exo+).
Like you say in the linked comment, the difference of compounds is much more significant than the difference in casings for enduro tires.
So if you don't need more grip in the rear, go for a rear tire with a hard compound for sure. It will be much faster.
From maxxis, there are sadly not many Dual tires with DD casings.
Schwalbe Soft is a bit slower but grippier than Dual and available with thick casings, so that's a pretty good rear tire.
Conti Soft is rolling good enough for an Enduro tire, but some might like a harder compound with a thick casing in the rear.
Sadly, there a pretty much no semislicks on the market anymore. They are great if you ride a lot of hardpack in the summer and roll significantly faster
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