2026 MTB Tech Rumors and Innovation - Longer and Slacker

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3/27/2026 11:14am
Eae903 wrote:

Quick, I need someone to determine the exact phone she has from its outline in her pocket. 

Unfortunately I'm an idiot, so I'll answer your question even if it is sarcastic.I found a known value that's easy to measure, the rear brake rotor...

Unfortunately I'm an idiot, so I'll answer your question even if it is sarcastic.
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I found a known value that's easy to measure, the rear brake rotor. I set it to 203mm (as mentioned in a bike check from my memory)
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16.2cm = 6.377 inch, rounded up however the app used rounds things and also not a perfect angle.
Closest match for phone size would be a Iphone 16/17 pro max at 16.3 cm  or a google pixel 9/10 at 6.3 inches.

I'm going to go with the iphone 16/17 pro max. I should touch grass. I'm also either going to get disliked into oblivion or possibly have my comment deleted for posting rubbish in tech rumours.

(edited because I'm an idiot and used the diagonal measurements available from apple for my conclusion accidentally, i did say I was an idiot so)

Vital forum detective level just hit a new high...

crazy what a little bit of undiagnosed autism can do

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3/27/2026 11:15am
JerseyMojo wrote:
Going from this instagram post - https://www.instagram.com/reel/DUWtTSCko0O/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== I'd say its a desert titanium iPhone 16 Pro Max. I'd agree its a Pro Max and not a...

Going from this instagram post - https://www.instagram.com/reel/DUWtTSCko0O/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== I'd say its a desert titanium iPhone 16 Pro Max. I'd agree its a Pro Max and not a standard Pro given the percentage of the rear that the camera bump takes up (see https://img-prd-pim.poorvika.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=500,height=500,quality=75/product/Apple-iphone-16-pro-max-desert-titanium-256gb-Back-Side-View.png) Also appears to be using an Apple clear case given the MagSafe ring.image 640

and I tried to make a guess without looking at her social media 😂, i'm a certified dumbass

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3/27/2026 11:26am

crazy what a little bit of undiagnosed autism can do

As the parent of a child on the spectrum, I have to agree...

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3/27/2026 1:36pm

crazy what a little bit of undiagnosed autism can do

As the parent of a child on the spectrum, I have to agree...

We could use our powers for good...

Here's a full spreadsheet of every WC DH athlete and what phone they use

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3/27/2026 1:57pm
AndehM wrote:

Does the Fox 38 coming with 200mm post mount mean that 203 rotors can finally die already?  Please???  

Evil96 wrote:
that's a dumb thing to ask tho, as most brands make 203mm, sram/rock shox themselves were the ones with the Totem sporting a nice pm 203...

that's a dumb thing to ask tho, as most brands make 203mm, sram/rock shox themselves were the ones with the Totem sporting a nice pm 203, making 183 and 203 rotors

I don’t think so…in a couple of years I think we won’t see 203 anymore, a big brake brand is going to switch over to the …, 180, 200, 220 pattern as well soon.

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3/27/2026 4:33pm Edited Date/Time 3/27/2026 4:36pm

I thought that the other shot of Dylan Maple's bike might have been a longer back end, but now I wonder if it's a stronger/stiffer rear end. This is from BKs Instagram 

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Unfortunately I'm an idiot, so I'll answer your question even if it is sarcastic.I found a known value that's easy to measure, the rear brake rotor...

Unfortunately I'm an idiot, so I'll answer your question even if it is sarcastic.
image 638.png?VersionId=VF
I found a known value that's easy to measure, the rear brake rotor. I set it to 203mm (as mentioned in a bike check from my memory)
image 637.png?VersionId=NK259MoO
16.2cm = 6.377 inch, rounded up however the app used rounds things and also not a perfect angle.
Closest match for phone size would be a Iphone 16/17 pro max at 16.3 cm  or a google pixel 9/10 at 6.3 inches.

I'm going to go with the iphone 16/17 pro max. I should touch grass. I'm also either going to get disliked into oblivion or possibly have my comment deleted for posting rubbish in tech rumours.

(edited because I'm an idiot and used the diagonal measurements available from apple for my conclusion accidentally, i did say I was an idiot so)

Vital forum detective level just hit a new high...

crazy what a little bit of undiagnosed autism can do

fuck sake just spat coffee all over my monitor lmao

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3/27/2026 4:55pm
Okay detectives. Who can get a positive ID on the lip pillows Remi is packing? 

Okay detectives. Who can get a positive ID on the lip pillows Remi is packing? 

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In BC?

Zonnic 3mg, likely Mint or Wintergreen, as thats the only strength legally available at the pharmacies there

 

Unless he has an Indigenous Hookup for Rez Tobacco, then the worlds your oyster and you dont have to rock training wheel lippers

 

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3/27/2026 5:07pm
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In BC?Zonnic 3mg, likely Mint or Wintergreen, as thats the only strength legally available at the pharmacies there Unless he has an Indigenous Hookup for Rez Tobacco...

In BC?

Zonnic 3mg, likely Mint or Wintergreen, as thats the only strength legally available at the pharmacies there

 

Unless he has an Indigenous Hookup for Rez Tobacco, then the worlds your oyster and you dont have to rock training wheel lippers

 

can you only buy good rez pouches if you’re native in Canada/BC??? I’m in WA state and they just frigged the taxes on them, but I drive past a rez casino gas station everyday to work so I’m saved. 

(I’m sorry spoomer that we are so incredibly off topic)

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nskerb wrote:
can you only buy good rez pouches if you’re native in Canada/BC??? I’m in WA state and they just frigged the taxes on them, but I...

can you only buy good rez pouches if you’re native in Canada/BC??? I’m in WA state and they just frigged the taxes on them, but I drive past a rez casino gas station everyday to work so I’m saved. 

(I’m sorry spoomer that we are so incredibly off topic)

In BC/AB/SK and Most of MB its not a thing, Ontario and Quebec, pretty much every reserve does a thriving trade in Dip, Darts, Grass and Gas. Mines 40 mins away, and Im enjoying a lovely 25milly Lip Pilly presently...  But out west you gotta have a hookup from out east ship it out. Or risk ordering online and having our border dorks seize it.     

 

On Topic... the new story post by Lucas Cruz/Norco on the 'gram has a peek at the new Freeride pony thats replacing the Shore Wink  

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3/27/2026 5:18pm
KDix85 wrote:
In BC/AB/SK and Most of MB its not a thing, Ontario and Quebec, pretty much every reserve does a thriving trade in Dip, Darts, Grass and...

In BC/AB/SK and Most of MB its not a thing, Ontario and Quebec, pretty much every reserve does a thriving trade in Dip, Darts, Grass and Gas. Mines 40 mins away, and Im enjoying a lovely 25milly Lip Pilly presently...  But out west you gotta have a hookup from out east ship it out. Or risk ordering online and having our border dorks seize it.     

 

On Topic... the new story post by Lucas Cruz/Norco on the 'gram has a peek at the new Freeride pony thats replacing the Shore Wink  

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3/27/2026 6:02pm Edited Date/Time 3/28/2026 4:21pm
AndehM wrote:

Does the Fox 38 coming with 200mm post mount mean that 203 rotors can finally die already?  Please???  

Evil96 wrote:
that's a dumb thing to ask tho, as most brands make 203mm, sram/rock shox themselves were the ones with the Totem sporting a nice pm 203...

that's a dumb thing to ask tho, as most brands make 203mm, sram/rock shox themselves were the ones with the Totem sporting a nice pm 203, making 183 and 203 rotors

DorianKane wrote:
I don’t think so…in a couple of years I think we won’t see 203 anymore, a big brake brand is going to switch over to the...

I don’t think so…in a couple of years I think we won’t see 203 anymore, a big brake brand is going to switch over to the …, 180, 200, 220 pattern as well soon.

Surely not...

Force everyone with <big brake brand's> 203 mm rotors to replace their mount adaptors when they replace their rotors (or switch to a different brand)?  And everyone who doesn't know about the change then has problems with their brakes?  That would be a disaster.

Edited for clarity

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3/27/2026 6:03pm
Evil96 wrote:
that's a dumb thing to ask tho, as most brands make 203mm, sram/rock shox themselves were the ones with the Totem sporting a nice pm 203...

that's a dumb thing to ask tho, as most brands make 203mm, sram/rock shox themselves were the ones with the Totem sporting a nice pm 203, making 183 and 203 rotors

DorianKane wrote:
I don’t think so…in a couple of years I think we won’t see 203 anymore, a big brake brand is going to switch over to the...

I don’t think so…in a couple of years I think we won’t see 203 anymore, a big brake brand is going to switch over to the …, 180, 200, 220 pattern as well soon.

boozed wrote:
Surely not...Force everyone with <big brake brand's> 203 mm rotors to replace their mount adaptors when they replace their rotors (or switch to a different brand)...

Surely not...

Force everyone with <big brake brand's> 203 mm rotors to replace their mount adaptors when they replace their rotors (or switch to a different brand)?  And everyone who doesn't know about the change then has problems with their brakes?  That would be a disaster.

Edited for clarity

Womp womp

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3/27/2026 7:03pm
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Something with more travel from Significant Other? Should be sweet..

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3/27/2026 7:53pm

mitch ropelato on dunlop tires at rock creek (from g-out gallery that'll launch in the morning

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3/27/2026 10:51pm
KDix85 wrote:
In BC/AB/SK and Most of MB its not a thing, Ontario and Quebec, pretty much every reserve does a thriving trade in Dip, Darts, Grass and...

In BC/AB/SK and Most of MB its not a thing, Ontario and Quebec, pretty much every reserve does a thriving trade in Dip, Darts, Grass and Gas. Mines 40 mins away, and Im enjoying a lovely 25milly Lip Pilly presently...  But out west you gotta have a hookup from out east ship it out. Or risk ordering online and having our border dorks seize it.     

 

On Topic... the new story post by Lucas Cruz/Norco on the 'gram has a peek at the new Freeride pony thats replacing the Shore Wink  

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Thank god please kill that high pivot Freeride bike.  So tired of watching mcduff boner air everything on his shore. 

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3/28/2026 1:10am Edited Date/Time 3/28/2026 1:11am
Finkill wrote:
I thought that the other shot of Dylan Maple's bike might have been a longer back end, but now I wonder if it's a stronger/stiffer rear...

I thought that the other shot of Dylan Maple's bike might have been a longer back end, but now I wonder if it's a stronger/stiffer rear end. This is from BKs Instagram 

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Back at it again with my horrendous image measurements, this time something actually bicycle related.

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I took the shock eye to eye of 225mm and zoomed in super close to align it to the centre of the shock bolts and scaled the image until the measurement was exactly 225. I drew a line to the middle of the shimano crank spindle and the middle of the rear thru-axle (also zoomed in until my eyes were bleeding to estimate the centre as best as possible). I then measured the horizontal distance between the two points (used construction lines to make this easier to understand, I know it's not constrained and I don't care either)

I'll take the actual CS length as 460 or 461 (this is just an estimate anyways), which is longer than the stock 443. Seems like pivot wants to join the extra long chainstay gang and you are right in saying it's longer. Good catch.

 I wouldn't be surprised if they're also going to try make a stronger chainstay considering BK snapped one at hardline, or just purely to play with stiffness as well.

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3/28/2026 2:02am
Finkill wrote:
I thought that the other shot of Dylan Maple's bike might have been a longer back end, but now I wonder if it's a stronger/stiffer rear...

I thought that the other shot of Dylan Maple's bike might have been a longer back end, but now I wonder if it's a stronger/stiffer rear end. This is from BKs Instagram 

Screenshot 2026-03-27-23-31-47-706 0
Back at it again with my horrendous image measurements, this time something actually bicycle related.I took the shock eye to eye of 225mm and zoomed in...

Back at it again with my horrendous image measurements, this time something actually bicycle related.

image 639.png?VersionId=lxi

I took the shock eye to eye of 225mm and zoomed in super close to align it to the centre of the shock bolts and scaled the image until the measurement was exactly 225. I drew a line to the middle of the shimano crank spindle and the middle of the rear thru-axle (also zoomed in until my eyes were bleeding to estimate the centre as best as possible). I then measured the horizontal distance between the two points (used construction lines to make this easier to understand, I know it's not constrained and I don't care either)

I'll take the actual CS length as 460 or 461 (this is just an estimate anyways), which is longer than the stock 443. Seems like pivot wants to join the extra long chainstay gang and you are right in saying it's longer. Good catch.

 I wouldn't be surprised if they're also going to try make a stronger chainstay considering BK snapped one at hardline, or just purely to play with stiffness as well.

Bravo, this is excellent work. 

I think the changes make a lot of sense from a product perspective, if I were shopping for a DH frame the shortish and possibly weakish rear end would put me off. 

 

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3/28/2026 9:06am
Finkill wrote:
I thought that the other shot of Dylan Maple's bike might have been a longer back end, but now I wonder if it's a stronger/stiffer rear...

I thought that the other shot of Dylan Maple's bike might have been a longer back end, but now I wonder if it's a stronger/stiffer rear end. This is from BKs Instagram 

Screenshot 2026-03-27-23-31-47-706 0
Back at it again with my horrendous image measurements, this time something actually bicycle related.I took the shock eye to eye of 225mm and zoomed in...

Back at it again with my horrendous image measurements, this time something actually bicycle related.

image 639.png?VersionId=lxi

I took the shock eye to eye of 225mm and zoomed in super close to align it to the centre of the shock bolts and scaled the image until the measurement was exactly 225. I drew a line to the middle of the shimano crank spindle and the middle of the rear thru-axle (also zoomed in until my eyes were bleeding to estimate the centre as best as possible). I then measured the horizontal distance between the two points (used construction lines to make this easier to understand, I know it's not constrained and I don't care either)

I'll take the actual CS length as 460 or 461 (this is just an estimate anyways), which is longer than the stock 443. Seems like pivot wants to join the extra long chainstay gang and you are right in saying it's longer. Good catch.

 I wouldn't be surprised if they're also going to try make a stronger chainstay considering BK snapped one at hardline, or just purely to play with stiffness as well.

Finkill wrote:
Bravo, this is excellent work. I think the changes make a lot of sense from a product perspective, if I were shopping for a DH frame the...

Bravo, this is excellent work. 

I think the changes make a lot of sense from a product perspective, if I were shopping for a DH frame the shortish and possibly weakish rear end would put me off. 

 

The Phoenix has over 20mm of rear axle displacement, so the shortish chainstays make sense when they’re 13-17mm longer at sag.

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If they’re lengthening the chainstays, I wonder if they are also reducing the rearward movement.

We’ve seen other brands reduce it such as Commencal Supreme V4 vs V5.

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Unlikely, the front triangle looks to be production and I'd bet they're using the lugs from the proto with just longer tubes or something similar. So the pivot points and link lengths likely stay the same. The travel overall probably increases, both vertically and horizontally. 

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3/28/2026 9:29am
Back at it again with my horrendous image measurements, this time something actually bicycle related.I took the shock eye to eye of 225mm and zoomed in...

Back at it again with my horrendous image measurements, this time something actually bicycle related.

image 639.png?VersionId=lxi

I took the shock eye to eye of 225mm and zoomed in super close to align it to the centre of the shock bolts and scaled the image until the measurement was exactly 225. I drew a line to the middle of the shimano crank spindle and the middle of the rear thru-axle (also zoomed in until my eyes were bleeding to estimate the centre as best as possible). I then measured the horizontal distance between the two points (used construction lines to make this easier to understand, I know it's not constrained and I don't care either)

I'll take the actual CS length as 460 or 461 (this is just an estimate anyways), which is longer than the stock 443. Seems like pivot wants to join the extra long chainstay gang and you are right in saying it's longer. Good catch.

 I wouldn't be surprised if they're also going to try make a stronger chainstay considering BK snapped one at hardline, or just purely to play with stiffness as well.

I want to be mad, but the way of going about it is solid... Ok, I don't really want to be mad... Still, good work on coming up with the estimate...

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3/28/2026 10:15am
Finkill wrote:
I thought that the other shot of Dylan Maple's bike might have been a longer back end, but now I wonder if it's a stronger/stiffer rear...

I thought that the other shot of Dylan Maple's bike might have been a longer back end, but now I wonder if it's a stronger/stiffer rear end. This is from BKs Instagram 

Screenshot 2026-03-27-23-31-47-706 0
Back at it again with my horrendous image measurements, this time something actually bicycle related.I took the shock eye to eye of 225mm and zoomed in...

Back at it again with my horrendous image measurements, this time something actually bicycle related.

image 639.png?VersionId=lxi

I took the shock eye to eye of 225mm and zoomed in super close to align it to the centre of the shock bolts and scaled the image until the measurement was exactly 225. I drew a line to the middle of the shimano crank spindle and the middle of the rear thru-axle (also zoomed in until my eyes were bleeding to estimate the centre as best as possible). I then measured the horizontal distance between the two points (used construction lines to make this easier to understand, I know it's not constrained and I don't care either)

I'll take the actual CS length as 460 or 461 (this is just an estimate anyways), which is longer than the stock 443. Seems like pivot wants to join the extra long chainstay gang and you are right in saying it's longer. Good catch.

 I wouldn't be surprised if they're also going to try make a stronger chainstay considering BK snapped one at hardline, or just purely to play with stiffness as well.

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There's a good amount of perspective/distortion in play. If you take the center of the tire instead of the axle, you'd get a 40mm difference.

Not saying the rear center is 420mm, but I'm not sure it's actually a longer backend and not just a stronger rear triangle.

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3/28/2026 10:41am
sspomer wrote:
some mega squishes and unique setups in g-out project from pro DH serieshttps://www.vitalmtb.com/features/g-out-project-2026-monster-pro-downhill-ride-rock-creek

some mega squishes and unique setups in g-out project from pro DH series

https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/g-out-project-2026-monster-pro-downhill-ride-rock-creek

G-out Project-46

New tr11 out in the open

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3/28/2026 11:09am
Finkill wrote:
I thought that the other shot of Dylan Maple's bike might have been a longer back end, but now I wonder if it's a stronger/stiffer rear...

I thought that the other shot of Dylan Maple's bike might have been a longer back end, but now I wonder if it's a stronger/stiffer rear end. This is from BKs Instagram 

Screenshot 2026-03-27-23-31-47-706 0
Back at it again with my horrendous image measurements, this time something actually bicycle related.I took the shock eye to eye of 225mm and zoomed in...

Back at it again with my horrendous image measurements, this time something actually bicycle related.

image 639.png?VersionId=lxi

I took the shock eye to eye of 225mm and zoomed in super close to align it to the centre of the shock bolts and scaled the image until the measurement was exactly 225. I drew a line to the middle of the shimano crank spindle and the middle of the rear thru-axle (also zoomed in until my eyes were bleeding to estimate the centre as best as possible). I then measured the horizontal distance between the two points (used construction lines to make this easier to understand, I know it's not constrained and I don't care either)

I'll take the actual CS length as 460 or 461 (this is just an estimate anyways), which is longer than the stock 443. Seems like pivot wants to join the extra long chainstay gang and you are right in saying it's longer. Good catch.

 I wouldn't be surprised if they're also going to try make a stronger chainstay considering BK snapped one at hardline, or just purely to play with stiffness as well.

Loche wrote:
There's a good amount of perspective/distortion in play. If you take the center of the tire instead of the axle, you'd get a 40mm difference.Not saying...
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There's a good amount of perspective/distortion in play. If you take the center of the tire instead of the axle, you'd get a 40mm difference.

Not saying the rear center is 420mm, but I'm not sure it's actually a longer backend and not just a stronger rear triangle.

Yeah that is very true, I knew that and you're definitely right, the rear end could very well be the same length considering it's a high pivot there's really no need for a longer back end, chainstay length is also on par with the current supreme. I did some measurements with the front and rear rotor and the perspective is definitely messing with it big time lol.

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3/28/2026 1:32pm
sspomer wrote:
some mega squishes and unique setups in g-out project from pro DH serieshttps://www.vitalmtb.com/features/g-out-project-2026-monster-pro-downhill-ride-rock-creek

some mega squishes and unique setups in g-out project from pro DH series

https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/g-out-project-2026-monster-pro-downhill-ride-rock-creek

G-out Project-46

GH on the new bike

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Blacked out tires (again) and bar ends for Bruni IMG 0145

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New tr11 out in the open

Looks super bottle rocket. Wonder if they are using the same front end and different rear and linkage to make it more squishy vs poppy/jumpy

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